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[MSL] The Touch of Gold

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[MSL] The Touch of Gold

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April 28th, 2010 17:15 GMT
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by Arrian, Atrioc, motbob and pangshai


Hello everyone, and welcome back to another MSL update. Since the previous newspost, we've had 2 weeks of intense battling, and during this, we've narrowed the playing field to just 8. A month is left to the finals, and guess what, if the gods will have it, the brackets have been arranged such that we might see a rehash of last season's apocalyptic meeting between Jaedong and Flash. If that does not excite you, then surely the ro16's collection of some great games should do the trick.

What made this ro16 especially unique was that both burgeoning stars and oldschool, returning players would be showcasing their stuff, and they were clearly out for blood. Hydra had a crazy close 3rd game vs Jaedong, but what really brought butterflies to our stomaches was Midas' triumph over Jangbi. 2-1 over a faltering Protoss, who has lost his way against Terran, may not be particularly impressive, but his form in proleague has also been tip-top since the start of round 4. There must've been some change over at WeMade, cause Baby too, has been showing some fantastic results, and the pair are surely ones to watch in the ro8 (OSL for Baby). Enough of the rambling though, and on to the games, our connoisseur, Arrian, brings us the low down on what happened in the last couple of weeks.

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Match A

Game 1: (T)BaBy < Match Point > (T)MVP
Game 2: (T)BaBy < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)MVP
Game 3: (T)BaBy < Fighting Spirit > (T)MVP

Match B

Game 1: (Z)Hydra < Match Point > (Z)Jaedong
Game 2: (Z)Hydra < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong
Game 3: (Z)Hydra < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Jaedong

Match C

Game 1: (T)Midas < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)JangBi
Game 2: (T)Midas < Fighting Spirit > (P)JangBi
Game 3: (T)Midas < Match Point > (P)JangBi

Match D

Game 1: (T)Hwasin < Match Point > (T)Flash
Game 2: (T)Hwasin < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)Flash
Game 3: (T)Hwasin < Fighting Spirit > (T)Flash

Match E

Game 1: (T)Sea < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free
Game 2: (T)Sea < Match Point > (P)free
Game 3: (T)Sea < Fighting Spirit > (P)free

Match F

Game 1: (Z)Calm < Match Point > (T)fantasy
Game 2: (Z)Calm < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)fantasy
Game 3: (Z)Calm < Fighting Spirit > (T)fantasy

Match G

Game 1: (Z)great < Fighting Spirit > (P)Movie
Game 2: (Z)great < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Movie
Game 3: (Z)great < Match Point > (P)Movie

Match H

Game 1: (P)Shuttle < Match Point > (T)HiyA
Game 2: (P)Shuttle < > (T)HiyA
Game 3: (P)Shuttle < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)HiyA



(Z)Calm v (T)fantasy

When Calm won the first game against fantasy, he really made fantasy's TvZ look bad. Really bad. But fantasy, as ever, came with a game plan and executed it with deadly precision. He decided to take every annoying thing that can be done to Zerg as Terran and throw it together into one build. Here are the steps to accomplishing fantasy's blender of TvZ:

Step 1: Kill the scouting overlord.

Step 2: Bunker rush
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Step 3: Vulture

So at this point, if you play Zerg, you might be wondering how, after losing the hatchery Calm didn't toss his keyboard aside in disgust. But it didn't stop there, because fantasy progressed to step 4.

Step 4: Wraith
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Step 5: Bio transition
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That, I think, is a pretty good summary of this game. It was fun to watch, not because it was ultra competitive, and also not because Calm was helpless for most of it, but because it showed how fantasy is always tweaking his TvZ, how he's always thinking and working and changing up on his own style. In this game, fantasy was throwing out every little trick that Terrans have been doing since he dramatically changed the matchup, and some old ones for good measure. Calm rightfully couldn't keep up.

The Brain Zerg: Constructing a rush
By motbob

After being systematically torn down by fantasy's finest tactics in game 2, Calm faced potential elimination in the third game. This week, I want to take a short look at (Z)Calm's build in game 3 of his series vs (T)fantasy. If you didn't see the game, Fantasy went for a one factory expand. After scouting a third hatch from Calm, he got mines to keep Calm from rushing his natural. However, Calm went three hatch hydra anyway, successfully making his way up the map and killing all of the SCVs at fantasy's natural. Overlords on the path eliminated any threat from the mines of Fantasy's vultures.

There is an aspect of this build that no one in the live report thread seemed to notice. It is no accident that overlords were there to remove the threat of the mines to Calm's hydras. The "overlord highway" was planned from the very beginning.

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After Calm scouted bottom left at the very beginning of the game, he brought his overlord from that position all the way to the top right to be a part of the mine sight path. The other overlords were put into place just in time for the hydras to make use of them. It's tricks like this that show why Calm got the nickname "The Brain Zerg," and why he advanced to the ro8 over Fantasy.

(P)JangBi v (T)Midas

Frankly, at this point, I had expected it to be 2-0 JangBi, even though his once fearsome PvT was looking a little unsettled, and Midas was coming back onto the radar after a very long lay period. The game opened with an early scout from JangBi doing its little probe thing across Match Point, which then did its little probey thing on Midas' geyser. Having thus irritated his opponent, JangBi took his natural at about the same time as Midas tore down his stolen gas. Feeling pretty confident, Midas then took his natural.

JangBi ran some zealots by the bunker at Midas' choke, but they didn't accomplish anything of significance aside from taking down a few SCVs and disrupting Midas' mining and tech. Meanwhile JangBi had put down a robo bay on a quick tech stop on his way to arbiters, which was promptly scanned by Midas and would be the beginning of JangBi's bad luck. A single wraith came out for Midas, but not in time to stop JangBi's reaver from destroying Midas' building natural. Somewhat emboldened, Midas moved to JangBi's natural to force the reaver back to defend.

While JangBi was tied up at his front, however, Midas slipped into his main with a dropship full of vultures and blasted away at his probe line.

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So, with a shelled natural and harassing vultures, JangBi was falling behind quickly, though he had managed to delay Midas' third and destroy his attacking force.

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More vultures slipped into JangBi's third, but he finally had his arbiters, and countered with a simultaneous recall into the defending tank line and an attack on his front of Midas' third. Despite the good move, Midas' defense was beyond solid, and his reinforcements forced a retreat from JangBi. Undeterred by the defeat, JangBi took a fourth. With nearly perfect timing, JangBi waited until Midas had moved his army out before recalling into his main perfectly evading the copious amount of mines. Despite the impeccable timing, however, the recall didn't accomplish much. He could have done better, but his move to assault Midas' fourth was just a hair late and Midas got his army in position to set back JangBi's assaulting forces.

The Protoss army got through, however, and a handful of dragoons knocked the CC out of the sky. JangBi used that distraction to set up a fifth, but the hour of reckoning had come. The giant half upgraded terran ball was on the move for Midas, preparing to smash into JangBi's natural. Figuring his best shot was a counter attack to try and force a retreat, JangBi went for Midas' third but was shut down, while Midas plowed through JangBi's third and natural. Ever persistent, JangBi went at Midas' third again, tossing away valuable units.

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A glimmer of hope remained for the Samsung Protoss when he busted through Midas' contain, but he had already lost his fourth, and Midas was moving towards the helpless fifth. As it went down, JangBi knew it was over and tapped out.

(T)Hwasin v (T)Flash

There were many tears shed for Hwasin when TL saw he was destined to take on Flash. The summary of sentiments on this matchup seemed to be that Hwasin's TvT wasn't the best, for sure, and Flash is, well, Flash. And so it was, but Hwasin played a good game from start to finish, eventually being outsmarted by Flash's tactical mind, which is what sets him apart as a player in this matchup.

The two squared off on Match Point, Flash spawning at 2 o'clock and Hwasin at the corresponding 7 o'clock. The most memorable moment of the match came three minutes in when Flash attempted to take on Hwasin's marine with his scouting SCV. The most amazing part was that Flash almost got him. It didn't impact the match at all, but it was good for a fair bit of lulz.

Both opted for early expands off of one factory, and teched straight to Starport, with Hwasin placing his at the 12 o'clock expo. Hwasin started his wraith first, while Flash went for the add on. When Hwasin scouted Flash with his earlier wraith he added another Starport, but the advantage of cloaking is substantial and the Ultimate Weapon used it mercilessly. Yackety Sax would've been a great accompaniment to Flash chasing Hwasin's units around with his wraiths, but alas, finals are afoot.

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Flash knew his advantage was appropriate to make a move, and he sieged his tanks at that spot just above the lower natural that Terrans absolutely love. Hwasin wasn't mobilized to break it, and thus did the genius of Flash turn a small advantage into a larger one. Undeterred, Hwasin started an expansion at 11 o'clock which Flash either smelled or scouted, because two goliaths made their way there and began a whimsically amusing, ineffective battery that gave Hwasin enough time to scramble opposition to save his expansion. Flash began his own expansion at the mirror position, and prepared himself for Hwasin's imminent break through the tank line laying siege to his natural.

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For a moment it looked as though Hwasin had the Ultimate Weapon on his toes. Then I saw exactly what I had been waiting for, exactly what I was expecting. Two dropships came out for Flash, and he ferried his waiting tanks into Hwasin's main just in range of his opponent's factories.

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With Hwasin's army caught way out of position, things looked dire, and so they were, as the narrow passage between the factories funneled Hwasin's units into Flash's seiged position, and there was nothing left for Hwasin to do.

(Z)great v (P)Movie

It's always exciting to watch two good players play a close game, but sometimes it's exciting to watch a great player get dominated. I don't know if by every characterization this was a domination, but great undoubtedly has some flair in the ZvP matchup. He is exceedingly comfortable with the 9pool build, while I think Movie wasn't sufficiently equipped to combat it, even though it isn't exactly uncommon on Fighting Spirit.

Great's six lings made Movie pull three probes to cover the exit to his wall in because he insisted on only one cannon. As is typical, great took his natural and third and teched quickly to lair, while Movie added a Cybernetics Core and then a Stargate. I will say that Movie's probe micro was very good, even with six lings running around that thing stayed alive for a very long time. The spire completed for great as Movie dropped his Templar Archives and began scouting with his corsair.

Another thing I noticed about great is that he likes burrow more than the average Zerg. He burrowed an infoling at Movie's bridge and possible third, which is a move I really like in this matchup. Great spawned some mutalisks and ignored the pressure that Movie applied to his front, and then his third, taking the opportunity to knock down the cannons around Movie's mineral line and blast some probes with glaive wurms.

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A mini swarm of lings brought down the archon/zealot/dragoon force that Movie was counting on to even up the game, and the game was firmly in great's hands from that point on.

With all the damage that great had inflicted, he knew that observers would be far from his opponent's thoughts, so he morphed some lurkers and began smacking Movie's wall while macroing a large force of hydras. The infolings helped immensely when Movie took the back door route, out his third to try take some map control or apply some pressure, but the advantage great had built with the mutalisks had blossomed into a very large hydralisk force, and this cut off and cut down the units Movie had sent out into the center.

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Knowing how little his opponent must have had left, and how much he had then, great a moved his way to victory in very convincing fashion against a strong opponent.

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(T)Sea v (P)free

This was the highlight game of this stage of the MSL. Free won the first game in this Bo3 fairly easily, and Sea I think was actually even a bit embarrassed by his showing in that game. Free took the opportunity of his opponent being somewhat flustered to add a gas steal on top of prior annoyances and promptly took his natural, while Sea added his own expansion. Both players were in full macro gear, with free adding his Cybernetics Core and a Robotics Facility and Sea adding factories and an Academy.

Sea got his first tank five minutes into the game, showing how comfortable he was with what he saw of free's base and tech and the flow of the game. Neither player showed any boldness, content to tech and mass, until Sea moved out with a handful of vultures and a couple tanks. Once again, another Terran parked his sieged tanks on the low ground but in range of the natural nexus and began shelling away. Free had a sizeable force, though, and even was comfortable enough to send about five dragoons to shut down Sea's attempt to expand to the 9 o'clock mineral only. With Sea failing to reinforce his sieged tanks, free had no problem surrounding an exterminating them.

The arbiters were out for free at this point, and things were about to get much harder for Sea. Safe with his arbiters, free took the 5 o'clock, but Sea, right on time, started a CC. The two flirted with engagement at the high ground by Sea's mineral only but free was unwilling to dedicate to an attack. A dropship full of vultures gave free a headache and Sea a look at his opponent's base, but the overall impact of the harass was minimal.

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Free then laid a giant recall into Sea's main. Sadly, the positioning was bad, and trapped behind supply depots and an armory, Free had no room to negotiate his units, allowing Sea to trap and exterminate them easily. A second recall, however, dropped into Sea's fourth, and that didn't stand a chance, going down quickly. Meanwhile free had started a fifth but it didn't remain a secret for long because shells began raining on it before a probe transfer could populate it.

Another recall came in to Sea's main, this time catching Sea's army out of position and getting his second armory again, but inflicting minimal damage on SCVs. Free's unit count was getting dangerously low, however, despite the damage his recalls had done, and the mobilising Terran ball was looking very threatening. Still, however, free set up a fifth at the 6 o'clock. Knowing that his army was entirely incapable of taking on the Terran ball, free countered into Sea's third, ignoring his natural being sacked and destroying Sea's third completely.

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But Sea wasted no time and plowed into free's main, obliterating most of his tech and production facilities. Free scrambled some gateways at his fourth and although he was almost completely incapable of applying any pressure to his opponent, he recalled a handful of dragoons, almost the entirety of his army, to hit Sea's highly secure fourth, succeeding only in delaying it. Free did have a large number of functional expansions, even though he'd lost his fifth (but was setting it up again, this time at 12), but it was his tech and production that was behind.

Sea was on his heels though, and it allowed free to claw his way back into the game, and only a few minutes after having almost lost the game free had a substantial force. A vulture raid into free's third killed a bunch of probes but he wasn't mining there anyway. Emboldened, free blasted through Sea's tank line on the high ground but he pushed too far and lost most of his forces. Sea's tanks shelled free's last functional expansion at 12 o'clock and with a timely defensive matrix held off the last of free's army.



Now, the brackets to the ro8 are out and the players are more than ready to go. Atrioc takes us for a spin in his magical crystal ball and predicts how the games will turn out.

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(T)Flash vs (T)MVP

Well well well MVP, consider me impressed. I definitely doubted your ability to move past Baby, let alone move past him 2-0 in a dominating fashion. That being said, your run really and truly does end here. For MVP to advance past Flash in a TvT bo5 at Lee Young Ho's current level of power would be an upset almost on the level of Bisu toppling sAviOr - that's how unexpected I consider it. The only advantage at all that MVP has going into this series is that Flash has to deal with a heavier schedule, but honestly at this point in his career The Ultimate Weapon is so used to a jam-packed schedule that he doesn't see having to compete in two different leagues against two strong Terrans in separate Bo5's as a bad thing, but rather better than normal because he only has to practice one matchup. God help MVP in this series, Flash 3-0 or 3-1.

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(Z)Calm vs (Z)great

This is least exciting Ro8 matchup by far, a battle between an arguably great player who is underperforming lately (Calm), and a mediocre player whose on the run of his career (Great) - while that might make for a relatively even matchup, it does not make for a good one (especially in ZvZ, where only the highest levels provide the razor thin thrills that can make the matchup spectator worthy). The true crime here is that neither of these guys simply seems "in-form" enough for a MSL Ro4, a spot so far along in the tournament that it is usually reserved for a serious competitor to the title, a distinction that I don't think I can make about either of these two players at their current playing level. That being said, the person with the best chance to make a dent on the remaining competitors later on is Calm, and has already proven himself to be a ZvZ master in a Bo5 when he puts his mind to it. If he lives up to the "Brain Zerg" persona and prepares for this as heavily as he did for his Bo5's vs. Jaedong and Kwanro, then he's got it no contest and hopefully returns to form for the Ro4. Calm 3-2

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(P)free vs (T)HiyA

Forget Bisu, forget Stork, forget Kal. If you are looking for a current set of shoulders to currently rest the hopes of Auir on, look no further than Free, who has shown what all those others have not during these uncertain times: consistency. He may not be a favorite against S-Class Flash or Jaedong, but unlike any Protoss that might be - he much more rarely drops games to people worse than him. Beating fOrGG, Sea, Light, firebathero, etc. recently, he's proven that his PvT is in seriously good shape. On the flipside - HiyA has proven time and time again that, when it counts, he can play a mean TvP. However, he's also proven that, when it counts, he will choke in an individual league (Remember his 2-1 drop out to Stats in GOM?). So as excited as Hiya in the Ro4, or even better - a Hiya/Jaedong Oz-tastic Bo5 - would make me, there's no way I see him taking out such a strong Protoss in a 5 game series, but he can definitely put up a fight. Free 3-1.


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(Z)Jaedong vs (T)Midas

Now here is a thrilling series. On one side we have the storyline of Midas, the old school TvZ master who once was practically the only person capable of holding his own against sAviOr, now returning to stand against his successor at head of the Swarm, Jaedong. On the other, the best Zerg in the world preparing to remove doubts about his waning ZvT and re-assure the doubters that he still has what it takes to tie NaDa with a ludicrous 6th gold - for Jaedong, this cannot simply be a win - it needs to be a crushing victory, to send a signal to his doubters (and to Flash) that this is still a player who wins Golds. Storylines aside, with Jaedong being statistically the better player and the maps (and current metagame) seeming to favor Terran in this matchup, we are actually looking at a very close series assuming both players come in top form. I predict a close edge out by Jaedong that plays out very similar to his Avalan MSL Bo5 vs Canata in 2009. Jaedong 3-2.



That takes us to the end of this update, and if I might add, those photoshops by Atrioc are amazing. Please feel free to use them in the LR threads. Not doing so would be letting all his hardwork go to waste. Another week of games will determine the semifinalists and bring us that one step closer to the finals. There's still a glimmer of hope for that Flash vs Jaedong rematch, so let's keep our fingers crossed for the two players to work their magic once more.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
April 28 2010 17:18 GMT
#2
Gah dont have time to read >_>

Great article (first bit anyways)
thanks
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
April 28 2010 17:28 GMT
#3
thanks for the article! GO JAEDONG
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ALang
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada288 Posts
April 28 2010 17:31 GMT
#4
Good read. Anything less than a JD/Flash final is going to be a hell of a disappointment, though, as cool as a Midas upset would be.
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Australia1901 Posts
April 28 2010 17:32 GMT
#5
Amazing job as per usual.
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Sweden1126 Posts
April 28 2010 17:40 GMT
#6
Great article! was good time to read it!
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
April 28 2010 17:41 GMT
#7
Agreed on JD/Midas, looks like it's going to be very reminiscent of JD vs Canata no matter what the outcome is. Great writeup
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
April 28 2010 17:42 GMT
#8
Midas FTW

Thanks for the great coverage!
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Profile Joined April 2010
United States3 Posts
April 28 2010 17:45 GMT
#9
JD/Midas is going to be one hell of a game, and I hope that it proves he has what it takes to ZvT not only against the best, but Flash!

Great Writeup!
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Jaester88
Profile Joined September 2009
United States143 Posts
April 28 2010 17:52 GMT
#10
Hahaha I love how the preview for the Flash vs MVP match-up is a giant picture of Flash and a really tiny one of MVP inside Flash's face.

Awesome writeup, as usual.
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Singapore1442 Posts
April 28 2010 17:54 GMT
#11
Loved the ovie highway description. Surprisingly fantasy didn't try to + Show Spoiler +
sweep the ovies with a marine or smt
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
April 28 2010 17:58 GMT
#12
On April 29 2010 02:15 pangshai wrote:

(Z)Calm v (T)fantasy

When Calm won the first game against fantasy, he really made fantasy's TvZ look bad. Really bad. But fantasy, as ever, came with a game plan and executed it with deadly precision. He decided to take every annoying thing that can be done to Zerg as Terran and throw it together into one build. Here are the steps to accomplishing fantasy's blender of TvZ:

Step 1: Kill the scouting overlord.

Step 2: Bunker rush
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Step 3: Vulture

So at this point, if you play Zerg, you might be wondering how, after losing the hatchery Calm didn't toss his keyboard aside in disgust. But it didn't stop there, because fantasy progressed to step 4.

Step 4: Wraith
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Step 5: Bio transition
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That, I think, is a pretty good summary of this game. It was fun to watch, not because it was ultra competitive, and also not because Calm was helpless for most of it, but because it showed how fantasy is always tweaking his TvZ, how he's always thinking and working and changing up on his own style. In this game, fantasy was throwing out every little trick that Terrans have been doing since he dramatically changed the matchup, and some old ones for good measure. Calm rightfully couldn't keep up.


I think your assessment of this game is a little skewed with due respect. The general progamer who has as much practice and experience as these two can take an opportunity/advantage and make a transition that keeps the momentum going. I think that Fantasy had nothing prepared other than a common bunker rush. It helped that Calm put his Overlord in a vulnerable position. After Fantasy's cheese worked he just kept the momentum by using complementary units that Calm would be least prepared for. In my opinion he just assessed the game as it happened and not the way that you implied it: "I'll kill his overlord, then I'll bunker cheese him and then I'll kill his hatch and then I'll send in vultures and I'll finish him off with wraiths. Perfect." Fantasy is not as smart as people would like to think he is.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8098 Posts
April 28 2010 18:01 GMT
#13
great write-up. i really wish they didnt split up the Bo5s though :\
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
April 28 2010 18:03 GMT
#14
Great write-up!

I am really waiting for Jaedong vs Midas. It has a great potential. Also it is nice to see an oldschooler coming back and making a deep run into a league.

whaTITdoz
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United States92 Posts
April 28 2010 18:07 GMT
#15
Great article!
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
April 28 2010 18:10 GMT
#16
Poor Jaedong, having to play Midas. If he had a non terran then he'd pretty much be guaranteed to play Free (sorry Hiya). Jaedong I think still = godmode, so we'd probably see another JD vs Flash finals
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
April 28 2010 18:11 GMT
#17
On April 29 2010 03:10 SubtleArt wrote:
Poor Jaedong, having to play Midas. If he had a non terran then he'd pretty much be guaranteed to play Free (sorry Hiya). Jaedong ZvP I think still = godmode, so we'd probably see another JD vs Flash finals

Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
April 28 2010 18:19 GMT
#18
I am looking forward to tomorrow, partially thanks to your article: GJ!
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
April 28 2010 18:23 GMT
#19
On April 29 2010 03:10 SubtleArt wrote:
Poor Jaedong, having to play Midas. If he had a non terran then he'd pretty much be guaranteed to play Free (sorry Hiya). Jaedong I think still = godmode, so we'd probably see another JD vs Flash finals


Actually if he advances he meets Calm or Great.

Hoping for a JD vs Hiya final! (Flash vs JD would be fine too though )
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
April 28 2010 18:24 GMT
#20
Great Writeup as always.

I'm definitely excited about the Jaedong - Midas matchup. I really think it's 50:50, seeing as how midas is playing really well lately, plus the favored maps sure. I also have a hard time believing that Jaedong will bring anything new to the match, considering that he has to be expecting to play FlaSh. I still give Jaedong the edge though, just because he is JD.

and also Atrioc, those banners or whatever are sooo kickass.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
April 28 2010 18:25 GMT
#21
On April 29 2010 03:11 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 03:10 SubtleArt wrote:
Poor Jaedong, having to play Midas. If he had a non terran then he'd pretty much be guaranteed to play Free (sorry Hiya). Jaedong ZvP I think still = godmode, so we'd probably see another JD vs Flash finals


i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to edit your post rather than quote yourself lol

anyway, thanks for the writeup guys
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 28 2010 18:26 GMT
#22
On April 29 2010 02:58 kingjames01 wrote:
I think your assessment of this game is a little skewed with due respect. The general progamer who has as much practice and experience as these two can take an opportunity/advantage and make a transition that keeps the momentum going. I think that Fantasy had nothing prepared other than a common bunker rush. It helped that Calm put his Overlord in a vulnerable position. After Fantasy's cheese worked he just kept the momentum by using complementary units that Calm would be least prepared for. In my opinion he just assessed the game as it happened and not the way that you implied it: "I'll kill his overlord, then I'll bunker cheese him and then I'll kill his hatch and then I'll send in vultures and I'll finish him off with wraiths. Perfect." Fantasy is not as smart as people would like to think he is.

First of all, your assertion that fantasy had nothing prepared seems to have no evidence behind it, other than it being something "you think" is true. In any case, if what you said was true, in that Fantasy did not have something prepared and was able to make good decisions after seeing how his initial attack fared, that would make him a smarter player that can think well on the spot (not less smart, as you assert), rather than one that relied on preparation.

But given how often Fantasy falls apart in strange ways, it's more likely that he is a player that heavily relies on preparation, including planning what to do several steps after the initial stages of the game depending on what transpired. Now you of course can throw back the idea that this assertion is simply "something I think", but if Fantasy was able to make good decisions based on what happened so far in the game, his games wouldn't end up the way the do. And it's a major weakness he has - something that I, as a fan of his, always hopes he can somehow improve.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 28 2010 18:29 GMT
#23
Ugh, goddamn MSL re-seeding. Why can't midas draw someone like great
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 18:39 GMT
#24
Could Midas return and fulfill his destiny as the Prodigal son of the SKT1 heritage?!?!?
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 18:40 GMT
#25
On April 29 2010 03:29 Waxangel wrote:
Ugh, goddamn MSL re-seeding. Why can't midas draw someone like great


Midas has been playing hot. He could take Jaedong in a Bo5.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 28 2010 19:04 GMT
#26
On April 29 2010 03:39 thunk wrote:
Could Midas return and fulfill his destiny as the Prodigal son of the SKT1 heritage?!?!?


more like he's oliver twist finally free of the SKT sweatshop
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 28 2010 19:05 GMT
#27
Vod of Fantasy vs Calm pls?
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plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
April 28 2010 19:13 GMT
#28
Can't wait to see the Jaedong/Midas set.
Here's hoping either Midas or Free makes it into the finals.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
April 28 2010 19:14 GMT
#29
On April 29 2010 04:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Vod of Fantasy vs Calm pls?


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weoyyVSZb8I


Or: http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/torrents/Hana_Daetoo_Securities_MSL_2010_Round_of_16_Day_4.torrent
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
April 28 2010 19:20 GMT
#30
One of the best write ups in recent months, thanks!

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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 19:32:57
April 28 2010 19:25 GMT
#31
fantasy abusing homosexual Terran builds. FFFFFFFU.

Good thing Calm prevailed <3~!

There's a slight typo where you say SCVs at Calm's natural as opposed to fantasy's natural.

Unfortunate that Jaedong and Calm have to be on the same side of the bracket. Jaedong or Calm vs. Flash with Jaedong/Calm winning would be mighty fine though (Y)
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hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 28 2010 19:32 GMT
#32
I can just imagine MVP, great, hiya, and Midas advancing, then midas losing his Ro4 round. That would be so MSL-esque.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 28 2010 19:51 GMT
#33
those banners are what impressed me the most!
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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
April 28 2010 20:04 GMT
#34
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Did anyone else notice how the player's faces grew in size with EPICness? Which is why banner-creator put a tiny MVP in Flash's huge face, Midas & JD are relatively big, everyone else is small, and he put Great's face behind a Hydra. LOL.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 20:25:42
April 28 2010 20:15 GMT
#35
You actually misrepresent the Jaedong/Midas matchup in this article, saying Jaedong has a statistical advantage. By the numbers, Midas is actually significantly better than Jaedong at TvZ and (amazingly) did not actually fall off during his long-term slump. Granted, he didn't play much at all, but he's still maintained the win ratio all the way up to the point he stopped being fielded.

In fact, Midas is still statistically one of the best EVER at this fight, though obviously Jaedong is the better overall player during this era. Looking at the numbers, we have:

TvZ
(T)Flash 97-40 (70.80%)
(T)Midas 79-37 (68.10%)
(T)iloveoov 79-38 (67.52%)

So basically, if Midas is playing up to his old potential, and doesn't choke, this could be an incredible matchup. Midas could actually win!
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
April 28 2010 20:53 GMT
#36
JD vs Flash and another powerout would not only make my day but make my year.
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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#37
Come on Jaedong! XD
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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
April 28 2010 20:57 GMT
#38
very interesting and entertaining article
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
April 28 2010 21:09 GMT
#39
On April 29 2010 05:53 Tufas wrote:
JD vs Flash and another powerout would not only make my day but make my year.


haha, that would be hilarious
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
April 28 2010 21:21 GMT
#40
I'm really surprised at how well Midas has been doing recently, although I'm not sure he could stand up to the Dong on most days.
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alaphonse
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada5 Posts
April 28 2010 21:54 GMT
#41
uhh can i get a free beta key . . .
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 28 2010 21:58 GMT
#42
great writeup
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Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
April 28 2010 22:22 GMT
#43
awesome work, really love the images.
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Chunkybuddha
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada347 Posts
April 28 2010 22:45 GMT
#44
Although fantasy may not be the best my macro terms (which is #1 in bw), he is the best for innovative ideas. Without a doubt, Fantasy is the most entertaining Terran and perhaps bw player out there. I wish Fantasy would get better macro so he could win more games; with his entertainment factor he would become my favorite player.

Alas, bw is dying and I doubt we will see that from him Here is hoping!
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
April 28 2010 22:47 GMT
#45
JD vs midas has a huge huge backstory to it - i'm excited to see how this series palys out
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
April 28 2010 22:53 GMT
#46
Great v calm in proleague playoff ace match anyone??
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
April 28 2010 23:05 GMT
#47
Go JD!

Also, BW is not dying.
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
April 28 2010 23:07 GMT
#48
Kinda hoping Midas wins.
Midas winning gold. Now that would be epic
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
April 28 2010 23:29 GMT
#49
Ro4 is going to be sick I feel. Great write up.

I don't think it's actually possible to beat Flash in a TvT Bo5. Hell even Iris taking one game was surprising.
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rugmonkey
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom126 Posts
April 29 2010 00:00 GMT
#50
Great write up. So did sea get through or not?
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 29 2010 00:15 GMT
#51
Nice writeup!
Thanks :D
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
April 29 2010 00:15 GMT
#52
On April 29 2010 09:00 rugmonkey wrote:
Great write up. So did sea get through or not?

NOPPPPPPPPPPPPPE
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Plaaguu
Profile Joined April 2009
United States406 Posts
April 29 2010 00:22 GMT
#53
Awesome writeup. Does anyone still have the link to that original picture of flash? I think it was for like the gomtv finals or something, but for the life of me I can't find it...
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 00:23:46
April 29 2010 00:23 GMT
#54
On April 29 2010 08:05 hystorm wrote:
Go JD!

Also, BW is not dying.

Well... some say Flash is killing the already-dying BW because it's like he found the ultimate hax.

However, IMO, I'd watch SC1 over SC2 anyday. Sure, SC1 is 10+ yrs older... but SC1 has reached a level of near-perfection, while SC2 is in its infancy. It's like why I watch tennis... to see the highest possible level of skill, it awes me and I love seeing such mastery. Sure it's fun to see an updated game with new rules and strats, and finding out all the new builds... but personally, I love watching mastery. It's why I can't bear to watch any SC2 streams anymore, because SC1 is just so much more interesting.

On a side note, GO JD!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
because I want you to get to the finals, where you can be officially destroyed by Flash =D =D =D
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
dtvu
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia687 Posts
April 29 2010 00:32 GMT
#55
great write up! poor MVP doesn't stand a chance. I going to hope for JD v FLASH rematch in the final.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 29 2010 01:50 GMT
#56
Goddamn, this was amazing.
Hype hype hype.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
April 29 2010 02:14 GMT
#57
(T)Really pumped for the (Z)Jaedong vs (T)Midas series !!
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
April 29 2010 02:21 GMT
#58
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SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
April 29 2010 02:31 GMT
#59
Great article and Fantasy played that game verus calm so well
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 29 2010 02:31 GMT
#60
Oh, and also I'm stealing your pictures tonight for the LR thread keke^^
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
April 29 2010 02:43 GMT
#61
im really rooting for jaedong... surprisingly i just realized how big of a jaedong fan i am (i hate to see him lose) after he owned fantasy out of OSL twice and flash last msl
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
April 29 2010 02:54 GMT
#62
Jaedong vs Midas!!! Go Midas!!! Wooooo! Jaedong and Midas!!!!! :D

I hate HiyA! T_T;;
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
April 29 2010 03:02 GMT
#63
Great article, loved the ro8 previews especially
Yhamm is the god of predictions
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
April 29 2010 04:21 GMT
#64
JAEDONG!
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
April 29 2010 05:16 GMT
#65
Very sad to see JangBi go- I still have very high expectations of this kid.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
zigrek
Profile Joined July 2008
Bulgaria45 Posts
April 29 2010 05:50 GMT
#66
I'm rooting for Aiur's children today and I would really want to see Jaedong advance.On one hand to narrow down the possibility of TvT and on the other because I think he can make memorable plays.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
April 29 2010 07:00 GMT
#67
Would like to see JD vs Free semifinal! And maybe Flash vs Calm in other bracket, although Calm has no chance anyway.
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stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
April 29 2010 09:02 GMT
#68
i love reading theese! The screenshots of the highlights makes it a lot easier for me because I no longer watch progaming on a regular basis, but still want to keep up with it. thank you!~
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TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
April 29 2010 10:56 GMT
#69
i hope calm beats great and shows us that he's the brain zerg
Jaedong <3
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
April 29 2010 12:37 GMT
#70
I'll be so happy if Midas can win this MSL or get to the finals.
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
April 29 2010 12:39 GMT
#71
I swear I see a dark templar in the wraith picture.
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
April 29 2010 13:03 GMT
#72
Amazing write-up, best i've read in a while.

I really hope for a Jaedong vs Flash finals, will be soooooOOOOOO epic (as much as i love Jaedong i really want Flash to get his golden mouse )
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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
April 29 2010 14:08 GMT
#73
that's some sweeeeet banners.

thank you for the writeup!
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zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
April 29 2010 14:22 GMT
#74
great read, hope MVP can pull an upset that would make my day
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
April 29 2010 18:05 GMT
#75
Well I only skimmed the article but there's some minor points that bug me.

That thing Calm did with his first OL isn't anything special, where else would you send the overlord? It's something pretty much every player always does, whatever the opponent is doing.

Only one 1 cannon with probes blocking isn't a bad move, it's simply a trade-off between much faster tech and better economy. Although it could've been a bad decision in that particular game, I don't remember the scouting.

Decent summaries overall.

No I'm never serious.
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
April 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#76
On April 29 2010 Atrioc wrote:
Forget Bisu, forget Stork, forget Kal. If you are looking for a current set of shoulders to currently rest the hopes of Auir on, look no further than Free, who has shown what all those others have not during these uncertain times: consistency.

uhm.. what?

Kal won all his recent PvT's except the ones against Flash (where he btw. looked pretty good) and 1 vs. Hiya, while Free lost 2x vs. Sea, 2x vs. Fantasy and got kicked out in the OSL Prelims by.. who? Fancy?

Aside from that, very good read^^

Hoping for an other Flas/Jaedong final.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
April 29 2010 20:35 GMT
#77
sick sick article!
go go go JD the Tyrant
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Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
April 29 2010 20:57 GMT
#78
Hehe, yeah the overlord "highway" was deffinetly an attractive move to watch.
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Bayern
Profile Joined March 2010
United States25 Posts
April 30 2010 01:08 GMT
#79
Great read. I'm gonna totally fan boy over the Jaedong/Midas match. Should be an epic match to watch.

Those are some crazy banners o_o props to Atrioc for those
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
April 30 2010 05:20 GMT
#80
I'm hoping Calm could keep his 'Brain Zerg' style for the rest of the series... And maybe have a turn about where Midas might be there with him. I guess that's a bit far-fetched, but I guess we won't know till it happens. I like seeing new faces in the finals even if it doesn't bring everyone to the scene. :x
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
April 30 2010 07:55 GMT
#81
Great writeup! These recaps really help me follow the scene! I haven't been able to watch as many vods and the lack of jon747 uploads isn't really helping either :/ thanks for the update!
Long live BroodWar!
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
April 30 2010 23:14 GMT
#82
On April 29 2010 03:24 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
Great Writeup as always.

I'm definitely excited about the Jaedong - Midas matchup. I really think it's 50:50, seeing as how midas is playing really well lately, plus the favored maps sure. I also have a hard time believing that Jaedong will bring anything new to the match, considering that he has to be expecting to play FlaSh. I still give Jaedong the edge though, just because he is JD.

and also Atrioc, those banners or whatever are sooo kickass.


TL is my church, Liquipedia is my bible, but Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong are my gods
karlkarlson
Profile Joined April 2010
26 Posts
May 01 2010 00:26 GMT
#83
guys, i hate to lapse into the vulgar here, but i think i got a half chubby watching Jaedong actually play a game that he's capable of.

also, flash lost, which is always good for jollies
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
May 02 2010 19:09 GMT
#84
Daaaaamn I'm so pumped for this MSL!!

Fantastic write-up as all ways! Huge probs to atrioc!
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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 03 2010 01:47 GMT
#85
I'm calling MVP over Flash XD

odds are against him, but always gotta go for the upset XD
Jaedong and Baby
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
May 03 2010 08:04 GMT
#86
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Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
May 06 2010 00:44 GMT
#87
Sea won! YES!
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Shadeye
Profile Joined March 2009
Australia75 Posts
May 06 2010 06:50 GMT
#88
Good article looking foward
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