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[WL] Welcome to Thunderdome

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[WL] Welcome to Thunderdome

Text byHeyoka
April 2nd, 2010 04:56 GMT
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Listen all! This is the truth of it. Fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring. And that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now! Busted up, and everyone talking about hard rain! But we've learned, by the dust of them all... Bartertown learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves.


Special Features
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Game of the Week

Momentum

Statisfaction

Two team enter. One team leave.

This isn't your raver friend's thunderdome. This isn't "thunderdome", a stadium that housed battles so weak it was renamed Tropicana Field. This is Thunderdome, where failure to win means the ultimate punishment: death.

For a month and a half teams battled it out in regular play, round robin combat to separate the cream from those who were unworthy. After rounds of cuts, there are just 2 left. This weekend they battle it out for the ultimate prize. Everything is at stake. Money. Pride. Adoration of upwards of literally dozens of female fans. Glory. More adoration, this time from Korean boys hoping to make it big. Internet cred.

Only one team can come out on top. Only one can claim the title, walk away with the trophy and novelty sized check. This is all killing at its finest, this is the best of the best. This weekend we separate the men from the boys.

It isn't just about becoming heroes anymore. Its about staying alive.

Welcome to Bartertown

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These our witness, Aunty. Us suffer bad. Want justice. We want Thunderdome!


The games that brought us to this stage weren't let-downs. Last week's series went the distance, coming down to a deciding game 7. The match opened up with Light facing off against STX destroyer, SoulKey. Light's gameplan (play a normal game and win by being better) went off without a hitch, surprising no one, except maybe the part of me deep down that thinks upsets should happen all the time. Woonjing sent out Kwanro, and the result was more or less the same, although he proved to be a bit more of a thorn in Light's side. Things heated up in game 3 when free was brought to the booth, creating one of the more memorable games in recent history. Its so good that it gets this week's game of the week! Forum star l10f will take it from here.



Game of the Week - Light vs free
By l10f

Free warps in at the 7 o'clock position while Light starts at the 1 o'clock position. If Free falls here, Zero will be forced to take on the whole MBCGame team by himself. Both players opted for a standard opening; Free went 1 gate core, and Light went 1 fac expo. However, Free put down his nexus after only 1 dragoon to put himself ahead economically. Light put down his command center at his natural as soon as he scouted this, while laying mines in both his and Free's entrance.

Free then put down a quick citadel of adun, preparing for a fast arbiter build. Light, without seeing this, went straight for the science facility after making 1 dropship from his starport. Free was able to block the 4 vulture drop without losing many probes. Light then made a wraith and a vessel to snipe the observers around his base while adding 2 factories in his main.

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A vessel and a wraith is a good replacement to the optical flare


Both players expand to their mineral only expansions, but Free slows down Light's expansion by killing the SCV making the command center. The first big move comes from Light: he moves all of his tanks towards 6, and sieges on the back of Free's natural. Using his vessel to give himself vision, Light is able to drive back Free's army and probes with only 3 vultures because Free has only dragoons. Free tries to counter Light's 3rd but is driven back by one tank and good sim city.

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You do NOT want the Terran to siege at that position


Free, after getting zealot speed and an arbiter, kills Light's force with the help of a mine drag. Although Light lost a lot of tanks, he is able to stop Free from mining his natural for a long time. Light also harasses Free's 11 o'clock expansion, killing many probes before dragoons come to help. Free, in response, sends 4 goons to 5 o'clock and cancels the command center that almost finished.

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Light's multitasking this day was just spectacular


Economically ahead, Light once again pushes out to the center, this time with a lot of vultures and few tanks. Light is able to get the high ground in front of Free's mineral only, but Free clears out the force once again using stasis field and dodging EMP. Knowing that he has a much smaller army, Light tries to slow down Free's attack by harassing 11 o'clock again while expanding to 5 o'clock.

Free tries to recall, but his arbiter is EMP'ed, so he expands to 6 o'clock. After Free fails another recall, Light moves out with his tanks towards 6 o'clock. Free uses stasis to freeze almost half of Light's army and then destroys the push for the third time in the game. Free then attacks 5 o'clock, but two very well placed tanks seem to hold off the push, until a recall from Free takes out Light's tanks and his command center.

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No EMP? Stasis everything!


Free seems to be completely in control of the game at this point, and when Light attempts to retake 5 o'clock, Free pushes through the center. However, he is forced to pull back due to tanks and mines being very well placed. Free tries to attack through another way, using hallucinated arbiters to trick Light while he recalls. Light EMP's the hallucinated arbiters and the real one recalls directly on top of Light's tanks, killing all of them.

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Wrong one!


Light is now mined out except for his 5 o'clock expansion, while Free is mining from two bases. Free tries to do another hallucination and recall combo, but this time Light EMP's the real arbiter, along with a few hallucinated ones. Free then attacks light's high ground, but is pushed back after killing the command center at Light's mined out mineral only expansion. Light takes the 12 o'clock expansion while stopping Free's 6 with a couple of tanks.

Light now seems to be back in the game with his 3-3 mech army. Free moves a few units to lift Light's 12 o'clock and builds a nexus there right away. Light's units at 6 o'clock is also cleared out. Light uses one dropship and two tanks to try and harass 12 o'clock, but Free's is able to freeze everything using his arbiters. Free recalls at 6 o'clock, which is quickly killed by mines and tanks, but the toss replenishes his army quickly with the money from both 12 and 6 o'clock expansions.

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So close!


Light desperately tries to kill 12 o'clock expansion using as few units as possible, but Free has too much stasis. Light moves out towards 6 o'clock after his 5 o'clock expansion mines out, and kills it, but Free had already mined the expansion out. Light continues to try and kill 12 o'clock using the dropship and the tanks, but comes 2 hits shy of killing the nexus. Free's first person view shows that he has over 7000 minerals stacked up with a 200/200 army, and he simply overwhelms Light's army for the victory almost 40 minutes into the game.

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Humiliating your opponent: a great way to gain advantage for the next match


Free manages to stop Light's rampage while setting himself up for the next game.




With Light down, the MBC coach opted for HyuN, and the Jaehoon. Free made short work of both of them in games that were intense and highly entertaining, gutting them with the fine precision reminiscent of a time when dragons roamed the leagues.

Their backs against the wall, MBC brought out their final weapon, pro-league monster Sea.

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I ain't Captain Walker. I'm the guy who carries Mr. Dead in his pocket.


Sea brought the cheddar, so to speak, and took down free in a game where he gained control early and was never in danger of losing it. Woonjing now found themselves on the ropes, having lost the momentum and forced to send out their last (and perhaps best) man, ZerO. The game was tense, the battles bloody, and in the end Sea emerged bruised but not beaten to take his team one step further.

Of course, this is less than half the story. Thunderdome is a battle between two parties, both with history. Both with hopes, dreams, failures and triumphs. Here is the newest member of our proleague team, snowdrift86, to tell us all about it.




Momentum
By snowdrift86



F = (d/dt)(mv)

      Newton's Second Law

Momentum -- the driving force of the Winners League. The product of the mass and velocity of a player. While a weaker player may lose outright, or peter out after his first game, the stronger player's impetus will carry over multiple sets. After the high fives, the bow and whatever flourish he can come up with to celebrate his first win, the player retakes his seat in the booth and, momentum being a conserved quantity, keeps on going unless resisted by an outside force. If no such force is present, the laws of physics give way to the laws of nature -- the strong crushes the weak, the predator eats his prey, the progamer all-kills. Bloodletting ensues.

Momentum -- Flash's momentum. Flash's momentum was the initial impulse, awarding him an 80% win rate over the past few months and a 19-3 record in this Winners League. His momentum has snowballed into a broader Terran momentum that saw the meteoric rise of Light (26-8 record), the presence of six Terrans among this round's top ten killers, and an overall 63.5% TvZ win rate. Only a year ago, during the previous Winners League, Jaedong led the pack, the Park brothers terrorized Medusa's mineral lines with their 2 hatch mutas and the TvZ win rate had settled at a meager 46.5%. The pendulum has swung in the opposite direction and the current round has become a Zerg graveyard, as ultralisk bones gleam under the harsh suns of Neo Moon Glaive and New Tornado.

This momentum has brought the two Terran-dominated teams of Proleague together in the finals. Not to feast and rejoice at the demise of the Swarm, but to reclaim the glory of their predecessors. Lay your mines, siege your tanks and load your dropships as two momentums collide.


MBCGame HERO

"Ah... Hero. So young, so brash, so giddy. A team that always looks like it's having fun, never afraid to wear its emotions on the sleeve. Hero's best players are barely legal, and they are the ones who set the mood for this gang. So when they fly, Hero giddily soars. When they dip, Hero crashes and burns."

      -- HonestTea, Tribal Colors

That was MBCGame HERO in mid-2007. Momentum -- they had it in spades. At the time, the team could still count on JulyZerg, the aggressive, idiosyncratic player who was the first Zerg to win a starleague, by toppling iloveoov then beating Reach in the finals. Bisu had recently burst onto the scene, slaying the seemingly invincible Savior with apparent ease. Pusan's headstrong play was still being put to good use. Sea was their child prodigy. And earlier that year MBC triumphed in the proleague, defeating SKT in the Grand Final.

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He busted a deal, and faced the wheel.


This was to be the team's high point. Over the following months, MBC was stripped of its brazen coach and top players as July, Bisu and Park Yongwoon were lured away to the wealthier and more prestigious SKT, and the team's performance suffered. With the loss of the impetuous Zerg and the smooth Protoss skirmisher, ace duties would eventually fall onto Sea's shoulders. At his side, the discreet and efficient Light. The Terran duo which would become the backbone of the team was in place. But the old MBC spark wasn't there anymore. The unruly insolence that had allowed them to pull the rug from under the venerable SKT or the stolid CJ hitmen was gone. Sea wasn't getting anything done in the starleagues, where the high-flyers could showcase their brilliance. Light for his part was dubbed the Invisible Terran. Hardly a compliment. For a team that was all about highs and lows, being consigned to mediocrity seemed to be the cruelest fate.

But something has changed. What precisely? There's no obvious answer as to whether it's Sea overcoming his poor showing in the first half of 2009 and beasting his way through the current proleague season, or the clarion call of a new Terran age, or even Hyungjun's antics -- it's tempting to dismiss them as purely a media stunt, yet they've definitely had a therapeutic effect on the team's spirits. One thing is clear, however: the insolent, roguish MBC is back. They're once again soaring the heights with Light's three Winners League all-kills, and plumbing the depths of progaming with Jaehoon's play. The Woongjin crew, quite a cocky bunch themselves, didn't stand a chance. Now MBCGame HERO is knocking on Flash's door, pulling open the curtains and shaking the proscene's bedstead. The cutthroats are back with a vengeance.



KT Rolster

"The most careful ask today: 'How is man to be maintained?' Zarathustra however asketh, as the first and only one: 'How is man to be surpassed?'
The Superman, I have at heart; that is the first and only thing to me."


      -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

The KTF MagicNs once flaunted what was arguably the most loaded roster in progaming -- Reach, Yellow, Nal_rA, Sync, Chojja. The team's clash with the other progaming powerhouse, SKT, formed the centerpiece of professional Starcraft; the equivalent of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona's rivalry in Spanish football -- do the other teams really matter when you have these two going at it? But KT never triumphed over its rival; the Terran duo of Boxer and iloveoov, with solid backing from Midas and Kingdom, proved too formidable. A last shot at glory was snuffed out by MBC in the 2006 Proleague.

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Who run Bartertown? Flash run Bartertown.


All the money in the world, yet victory slipped from their grasp. KT's star players, signed onto the team with six figure contracts, faded away, while promising rookies proved to be inconsistent. All but one -- Flash. KT's history is now irrevocably tied to Flash's story, as he has carried the team through the proleague seasons since his debut, to the point of faltering in the starleagues. Teammates provided occasional assistance, but their inconsistency prevented his labor from paying off.

Undeterred, Flash kept trudging down that solitary road that is the way to greatness, and eventually, something clicked, the pieces fell in place, the Ultimate Weapon's inner machinery was fully repaired, and the long, hard slog has now turned into a full-blown sprint -- Flash has a whopping 41-6 record in the proleague. I was talking about momentum, but this may well be a whole new field of physics that is opening up before us. Light stole some of his thunder in the Winners League, but Flash is hot on his heels, with a 19-3 record and a reverse all-kill of SKT (how's that for revenge served freezing cold?). Rest assured that he intends to take the top spot from Light's cold, dead hands.


The first place you'll find is a sleaze-pit called Bartertown. Now if the earth doesn't swallow you up first, that place sure as hell will


The life of a progamer is one of many challenges. The climb to the top is long and arduous, the lucky few who ever realize the fantasy learn all too soon how fleeting it can be. Many gamers find themselves fading away and becoming forgotten before their eyes as the next generation appears. What is someone to do against the sands of time?

They can fight back with awards. A title is real, it transcends time to give the message of who was best in the heat of competition one afternoon. This is the achievement all will be looking for in this match. A mark of pride to put in the practice rooms, a representation of skill that a man may show his children and grandchildren, long after his skills have left him.

Along the same vein, we have record books. Truth be told, these are more useful for showing how mediocre everyone is rather than pointing out the bright spots in a roster. Nevertheless, here is a continuation of last week's statisfaction that explores the issue of which teams racial lineups are best.



Statisfaction


Last week I went over how every team did against each race. I was wondering later how easily I could break down overall race win-loss numbers by team, and it dawned on me that I could use the same spreadsheet to find it. In retrospect, it was kind of backwards to not present this first.

Think of this as an unveiling, the first numbers for a feature that will find its way into the Proleague Results & Standings thread (once I overhaul the thread to be current and go back to weekly updates with round 4). Here it is!

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But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.


Pretty fun, isn't it. Like last time, this doesn't include any playoff games (so if you use TLPD to get the data it might be ever so slightly off). This confirms a lot of things you can guess if you followed the league, MBC and KT have good terrans and hite's zergs are struggling.

You might notice the two 0% ratings in there. Between WeMade and Oz, there wasn't a single protoss win. Each team only played 1 protoss all round long, and neither of them managed to win a game (Pure for WeMade going 0-3, and PerfectMan going 0-2).

I find it amusing that SKT's protoss lineup is doing worse than their zerg lineup. HyuK, SoO, and S2 managed to achieve mediocrity between them while Bisu/BeSt are well below average. Frozen seems to have sunk STX's terran lineup, going 0-3 and turning their overall percentage from one that was respectable a year ago to the lowest of the pack.

Then, I wanted to know how big the difference was between the best and worst races of each team but didn't want to do any subtraction on my own so I copied the chart from last time.

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Do you have any idea how hard it is to make captions for a chart? I don't think they even had numbers in the post-apocalyptic world of Mad Max.


Its fascinating that over half the teams have their best numbers coming from the terran lineup. With protoss players in general being worse lately than normal, I would have expected even less teams to have P be their best but STX (Kal, Shuttle) and Stars (Guemchi, free) put up good numbers and kept the dream alive for the race. WeMade's zergs every so slightly edged out their terrans and eSTRO's Action/hyvaa combo fared better than Really/UpMagic to get the best race title for their teams. KHAN overall had the most event numbers (something I doubt anyone anticipated going into WL) with their toss doing the worst (also something no one would have guessed 2 months ago).

Expect to see this continued in our R&S corner in the coming days, months, weeks, and proleague rounds. Enjoy, my fellow stat f(r)iends.


Are you ready? You better be sure you are. The games are merely a day away, and destiny awaits. Get pumped up now because this will be a clash of the ages.

Thunderdome's simple. Get to the weapons, use them any way you can. I know you won't break the rules, because there aren't any.


This weekend it is on. This weekend it ends. Only seven games stand in between each team in their quest for eternal glory. One will walk away victorious, and one may not walk away at all. Who will survive thunderdome? Tune in to find out.

This Proleague update was brought to you by Team Liquid's PL 2009-10 coverage team - riptide, heyoka, pangshai, l10f, and snowdrift86 (say hi to him in the forums this is his first time!). Many thanks to keit as usual for the stellar graphics, and 7mk for letting us use his photo in the banner!
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@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
TAD[nnilf]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 20:20:29
April 02 2010 05:00 GMT
#2
Nice write up -.-


User was warned for this post.
In America!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 02 2010 05:02 GMT
#3
great writeup
i swear i know the bodies of the flash/light photoshop lol
flash is bruce lee and light is a ufc fighter maybe?
Forever Young
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 02 2010 05:03 GMT
#4
Like you read this in 4 minutes. I hate "first".
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
April 02 2010 05:03 GMT
#5
Nice writeup. Seriously looking forward to this
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
April 02 2010 05:06 GMT
#6
Why does the GOTW write-up HAVE HUGE FONT??
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 02 2010 05:10 GMT
#7
I love that members of the community can contribute to front page articles like this. Well written; it's interesting to see the difference percentage statistics.
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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
April 02 2010 05:10 GMT
#8
Very nice write up.
Life is Good.
kohkomo
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada135 Posts
April 02 2010 05:10 GMT
#9
Man that game with Free vs Light...
I thought Light was going to take it all, even in his interview he said he relaxed a bit because he thought he had it

Although I'm a fan of Flash... Hyungjun becomes a progamer made me like MBC as a team just a tad more

gogogogogogo MBC
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 05:15:46
April 02 2010 05:12 GMT
#10
GotW has the same size font for me on both firefox and chrome, anyone else see it weird?
---okay turns out I missed part of a tag, it should be fixed now


Light definitely looks like he is in UFC gear but I have no idea who it is haha, maybe keit will post when he sees this and reveal one of his secrets
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 02 2010 05:15 GMT
#11
Over the following months, MBC was stripped of its brazen coach and top players as July, Bisu and Park Yongwoon were lured away to the wealthier and more prestigious SKT, and the team's performance suffered.


I wish I can see the payroll for each team. I remember seeing something about MBC paying light and Sea 75 and 80mil Won respectively. They deserve more for being such proleague beasts.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 02 2010 05:16 GMT
#12
What are KT's stats like without Flash?

I do think MBC can be the one to take him out, despite their failure last time they met. Take out the other KT players early, to get multiple chances.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 05:22:30
April 02 2010 05:18 GMT
#13
It would be cool if that was public info. I always get the feeling like people who do well in proleague but not necessarily individual leagues get under-appreciated and underpaid (free was making next to nothing when he was propping up Stars' proleague team a few years ago before he did anything in individual leagues).

On April 02 2010 14:16 Zona wrote:
What are KT's stats like without Flash?

I do think MBC can be the one to take him out, despite their failure last time they met. Take out the other KT players early, to get multiple chances.



Interesting question! I'll look it up. With Flash: 41-25, without flash: 22-22 (lol drops down to 50%). Flash went 19-3 so yeah he was pretty powerful for their team. KT had more games played with terran this round than the other two races combined (37 TvX games, 14 Z 15 P).
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
April 02 2010 05:21 GMT
#14
Revenge is a dish best served cold
+ Show Spoiler +
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
April 02 2010 05:23 GMT
#15
On April 02 2010 14:12 heyoka wrote:
GotW has the same size font for me on both firefox and chrome, anyone else see it weird?

Light definitely looks like he is in UFC gear but I have no idea who it is haha, maybe keit will post when he sees this and reveal one of his secrets

I reopened Explorer, and now the GOTW font is normal, but the Momentum section still has a huge font, so I'm just going to assume it's somehow just me, but I've never had a problem like this before. All other threads I've checked aren't doing this to me. Makes no sense, therefore, it's just this damned computer.

Anyway.

There's no decent zerg between these two teams right now (don't tell me Hyun is decent, he's 36% in WL and got humiliated by scouts), hell there's only 1 decent protoss between both teams, and we're just going to have a bunch of TvTs and some bad sniping attempts by the likes of Jaehoon, Violet, and Stats (I like Stats, but...).

I won't be watching this.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
April 02 2010 05:23 GMT
#16
On April 02 2010 14:03 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Like you read this in 4 minutes. I hate "first".


Yeah me too. Especially when the article is long and broken into parts and it takes you over 10 mins to read yourself. Even accounting for someone only reading a couple of parts out of 4 its so obvious ppl stumble across a new article and immediately have to be the "first" person to post in it.

So lame. I wonder why they bother. People will just remember them as annoying posters.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
April 02 2010 05:25 GMT
#17
Good writeup! Thanks for writing. This better be good!
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 02 2010 05:27 GMT
#18
On April 02 2010 14:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 14:12 heyoka wrote:
GotW has the same size font for me on both firefox and chrome, anyone else see it weird?

Light definitely looks like he is in UFC gear but I have no idea who it is haha, maybe keit will post when he sees this and reveal one of his secrets

I reopened Explorer, and now the GOTW font is normal, but the Momentum section still has a huge font, so I'm just going to assume it's somehow just me, but I've never had a problem like this before. All other threads I've checked aren't doing this to me. Makes no sense, therefore, it's just this damned computer.

Anyway.

There's no decent zerg between these two teams right now (don't tell me Hyun is decent, he's 36% in WL and got humiliated by scouts), hell there's only 1 decent protoss between both teams, and we're just going to have a bunch of TvTs and some bad sniping attempts by the likes of Jaehoon, Violet, and Stats (I like Stats, but...).

I won't be watching this.


It wasn't you, I had missed part of a tag in two sections. It was messed up in IE for me but it looks fine now, I think its fixed.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 17:34:11
April 02 2010 05:28 GMT
#19
edit: double post
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
piratekaybear
Profile Joined June 2008
United States50 Posts
April 02 2010 05:34 GMT
#20
lol
Will photoshopping pro gamer faces onto muscular physiques ever be unfunny?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 06:02:05
April 02 2010 05:36 GMT
#21
God this is amazing. Statistics, pictures, and hype. What more can I ask for?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
April 02 2010 06:04 GMT
#22
For the record, KT's head to head against T1 is actually really lopsided in KTF's favor; it's just those damn playoffs....
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
April 02 2010 06:27 GMT
#23
that game with free was so intense
SpiDaH
Profile Joined March 2010
France198 Posts
April 02 2010 06:42 GMT
#24
Glorious writeup. You got me so pumped it's not even funny. Sea fighting ! I will be there at 5 in the morning, rest assured. FOR THE GLORY, MBC FIGHTING !
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 06:53:06
April 02 2010 06:52 GMT
#25
Great writeup, took me back to the days of old
I really hope sea emerges as the star he should be. he's such a solid player, with a 60% win rate to boot! it saddens me whenever he loses
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 02 2010 07:01 GMT
#26
Great read, enjoyed it v much! TLnet ftw
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8029 Posts
April 02 2010 07:11 GMT
#27
Okay, the photoshop of Flash works, but there is something seriously wrong with Light's picture. I mean, the head is blended perfectly, but it's just... off... Maybe it's his expression.

Anyway, great writeup. Totally looking forward to these finals though it's gonna be pretty hard to beat Skyhigh's reverse all kill from last year.
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0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
April 02 2010 07:13 GMT
#28
Pumped

Watching Nal rA lately has been really interesting, always cool to find out more on him
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
April 02 2010 07:52 GMT
#29
Ah KT and MBC. I've been rooting for both teams this whole starleague -_-. Dunno who to root for now ><. Thanks write up, I enjoyed it ;p.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 02 2010 07:53 GMT
#30
Is that Flash's face on Bruce Lee's body?
KTY
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
April 02 2010 08:02 GMT
#31
bruce lee and bj penn?
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
April 02 2010 08:03 GMT
#32
Looking forward to it. If Sea can pull out his proleague beastness, might get really close.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
April 02 2010 08:16 GMT
#33
Everyone is talking about how Flash is the backbone of KT, but they're forgetting one man... or rather...

+ Show Spoiler +
one chin.

CHIN TOSS FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
April 02 2010 08:21 GMT
#34
[image loading]


Yes light's face looks really stupid but he only makes that face like ever so I didn't have much to work with.
Graphics
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
April 02 2010 08:37 GMT
#35
Very nice writeup.can't wait for tomorrow.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
April 02 2010 09:01 GMT
#36
Awesome, very good job heyoka
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
April 02 2010 10:04 GMT
#37
This finals is gonna be awesome. I want KT to win because of Flash really, but actually I wouldn't even be that upset of MBC won.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
preacha
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway210 Posts
April 02 2010 10:17 GMT
#38
hahaha. lol, flash with bruce's body. it fits! xD nice write-up read it while drinking my morning coffe EPIC!!
dont pet a burning dog
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
April 02 2010 11:41 GMT
#39
Fantastic article guys, the writing staff just keeps getting better and better each week. Great Job.
C0rrupt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States57 Posts
April 02 2010 11:59 GMT
#40
Funny buff progamers XD
The corruption has begun
rugmonkey
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom126 Posts
April 02 2010 12:27 GMT
#41
Good write up. Unsure who to support. Flash or MBC
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7765 Posts
April 02 2010 13:11 GMT
#42
I root for KTFlash
Nice writeup GG
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14892 Posts
April 02 2010 13:48 GMT
#43
good writeup
go mbc
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
April 02 2010 14:32 GMT
#44
Great writeup, although it seemed a bit over the top.
I'm watching the games I missed right now, I'm so pumped for the finals.
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
April 02 2010 14:39 GMT
#45
I wonder if KT sends Flash out first or last?

My guess is that it will have to be last, just asking him to go out there and all kill in the Finals, right out of the gate... seems a bit much. The only question is can the whole team manage to get a win out off of Flash. With 2 great Terran's to wear him down... I think yes.

My money is on MBC!!!! (I'll be wearing my Hoodie )
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 15:16:16
April 02 2010 15:15 GMT
#46
On April 02 2010 23:39 cursor wrote:
I wonder if KT sends Flash out first or last?

My guess is that it will have to be last, just asking him to go out there and all kill in the Finals, right out of the gate... seems a bit much. The only question is can the whole team manage to get a win out off of Flash. With 2 great Terran's to wear him down... I think yes.

My money is on MBC!!!! (I'll be wearing my Hoodie )


Starters are Light and Hoejja

I was watching that 9pm OGN show 뒷담화 and today they visited KT house to talk to Flash etc. about the final with MBC among other things. One of the KT players predicted a 4-1 win.

I dunno what effect this episode will have, if any at all, if the MBC players had been watching (cos they went into detail about Sea and Light) but I guess we'll know tomorrow.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 02 2010 16:04 GMT
#47
Imagine Light gets knocked out first round hahaha. I hope it doesn't happen though and he gives us some suspense.
KTY
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 02 2010 16:08 GMT
#48
great write up! Very informative. GJ!
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 02 2010 16:15 GMT
#49
On April 02 2010 23:39 cursor wrote:
I wonder if KT sends Flash out first or last?

My guess is that it will have to be last, just asking him to go out there and all kill in the Finals, right out of the gate... seems a bit much. The only question is can the whole team manage to get a win out off of Flash. With 2 great Terran's to wear him down... I think yes.

My money is on MBC!!!! (I'll be wearing my Hoodie )


I suspect their strategy is to send him out last again, I'm expecting Light to beat HoeJJa and then maybe stats or violet, at which point KT sends out fOrGG. fOrGG doesn't suck lately so its anyone's game at that point.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
April 02 2010 16:22 GMT
#50
flash in game 2 or no flash at all
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
April 02 2010 16:26 GMT
#51
This is really a great writeup. But I want to complain that every time I see the title in the sidebar or at the top of the forum index, I get We Don't Need Another Hero stuck in my head. It's happened several times now.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 02 2010 16:39 GMT
#52
LOL

I am sincerely sorry for that, it was completely unintended.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 02 2010 16:42 GMT
#53
Damn nice writeup guys!

Woongjin vs MBC was a really nice series. The final should be ever better though xD
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
April 02 2010 17:43 GMT
#54
Let's hope the Terrans can come up with unique builds to prevent games that are 2hr slugfest.... We will at least see 2 TvTs, this could be a long night.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 02 2010 18:31 GMT
#55
staying up ridiculously late to watch this :D

thanks for the write-up!!
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
April 02 2010 19:10 GMT
#56
That was a sick game between Light and Free. Great writeup bro.
the throws never bothered me anyway
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
April 02 2010 19:45 GMT
#57
great writeup =)

gogo MBSea!
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Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 20:04:45
April 02 2010 20:02 GMT
#58
Damn, I thought that was GSP. Nevermind.
Jaedong plz
Islandsnake
Profile Joined April 2009
United States679 Posts
April 02 2010 21:26 GMT
#59
What a great writeup haha, getting so hype X_X
Bang!
eNte[19]
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland62 Posts
April 02 2010 21:27 GMT
#60
awesome writeup
arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
April 03 2010 00:59 GMT
#61
nice writeup!

Something I found interesting:

SKT protoss did worse than SKT Zerg. Go Hyuk!
This statement is a lie.
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
April 03 2010 08:00 GMT
#62
On April 02 2010 14:00 TAD[Life] wrote:
Nice write up -.-


User was warned for this post.


Did he get warned cuz the post was so close to the articles time stamp? Isn't it possible to just read through it fast, skipping a few minor parts like I just did to get an good overall understanding of what's being written about in the article?

Anyway, soon WL finals, looking forward to watching it live!
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 03 2010 08:30 GMT
#63
He wrote "first post" in it originally, thats why he was warned. It has since been edited out apparently!

AND YES GAMES ARE ON WOO
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
April 03 2010 13:32 GMT
#64
The Finals are over.

Results:
+ Show Spoiler +
Violet takes a game off Light.

Flash destroys. DESTROYS. The final three. KT wins WL.

Commentators have stated "Flash is at a level above bonjwa."

Flash named MVP of WL, totally shocking everyone in the crowd and causing massive rage on the TL forums. Several notable MBC-supporting TL-ers have committed suicide, for example, FakeSteve committed hara-kiri.


Great, epic finish to a wonderful winners league. Congrats to the winner!
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 03 2010 13:57 GMT
#65
Coach Ha, papa bear I love ya, but you made some big mistakes today...

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
tYsopz
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway215 Posts
April 03 2010 16:49 GMT
#66
Less oily manflesh would be highly appreciated. TL frontpage shouldnt be NSFW.
"I'm going to send them to a far far distant place called Disneyland. Safe and sound at their own convenience, at the fastest and cheapest rate." - Lee Sung Eun
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 04 2010 05:30 GMT
#67
Considering the + Show Spoiler +
massive sodomization
that MBC received, its no wonder that Flash was pasted on to Bruce Lee's body
Hey! Listen!
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 04 2010 11:18 GMT
#68
Your critisism will help noone really play better. Your "WOW he fixed early carriers i hope he dosn't see them" means nothing in the end. I see all these moves from most of them make like false moves, couse if you make these moves against Flash soon will see an army of goliath chasing the carries, without interseptors inside, and there are runing were? Behind they don't have some priests or robo units or some goons, a defence that can easy take out the army of golliath that follows. Flash is fixing defence positions on the map very well organized. If you see Flash forces runing back (something really rare) you know very well you will find some Tarrent missles, some mines earlly puted a defence very well fixed that can stop the fast advanced forward.

Protos ? They dont use some consairs to put some distribusion webs to Flash the tanks and the goliaths can't shoot and they can became easy targets for goons, robo units, even carriers. Choose to fix a distrubution web not to a tank or to a goliath but to the gournd near the tanks and the goliaths this way ithe distrbusion web is bigger and you will force flash to move out his units and brake his well organized defence setup.

In some games i've seen Flash to fix lines with his tanks the fist line fires first the second line fires next finaly the trhird line fires and all of the attacing forces are gone. Even the places that he choose to fix these defence possisions is not in luck behind he covers the mineral bases that we wands to expand even the expanding i see from some is seems without a meaning! Flash he dosnt expand before he fix an army that in some cases can give to fim the vivtory.

In the bottom line i'm a fun of Flash and i like to see him play now do you have some moves worth to metions from the others? couse i dont find any...
Thessaloniki - Greece
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 04 2010 17:35 GMT
#69
On April 04 2010 20:18 Gtks wrote:
Your critisism will help noone really play better. Your "WOW he fixed early carriers i hope he dosn't see them" means nothing in the end. I see all these moves from most of them make like false moves, couse if you make these moves against Flash soon will see an army of goliath chasing the carries, without interseptors inside, and there are runing were? Behind they don't have some priests or robo units or some goons, a defence that can easy take out the army of golliath that follows. Flash is fixing defence positions on the map very well organized. If you see Flash forces runing back (something really rare) you know very well you will find some Tarrent missles, some mines earlly puted a defence very well fixed that can stop the fast advanced forward.

Protos ? They dont use some consairs to put some distribusion webs to Flash the tanks and the goliaths can't shoot and they can became easy targets for goons, robo units, even carriers. Choose to fix a distrubution web not to a tank or to a goliath but to the gournd near the tanks and the goliaths this way ithe distrbusion web is bigger and you will force flash to move out his units and brake his well organized defence setup.

In some games i've seen Flash to fix lines with his tanks the fist line fires first the second line fires next finaly the trhird line fires and all of the attacing forces are gone. Even the places that he choose to fix these defence possisions is not in luck behind he covers the mineral bases that we wands to expand even the expanding i see from some is seems without a meaning! Flash he dosnt expand before he fix an army that in some cases can give to fim the vivtory.

In the bottom line i'm a fun of Flash and i like to see him play now do you have some moves worth to metions from the others? couse i dont find any...


That was very hard to read
always tired -_-
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 04 2010 23:27 GMT
#70
Yes i did make alote of mistakes I was trying to write Disruption Web and Corsair.

You only need 1 Corsair to make 2 disruption webs if it is upgrated, Tanks, Goliaths, Vultures, bunkers, even the spider mines don't work while they are inside a Disruption web go figure what protoss can really do if it is used.

Who really cares what mistakes i make if he playes protoss ?
Thessaloniki - Greece
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 05 2010 00:01 GMT
#71
I forgot Templar i mean with psionic storm (i never used Protoss before) so if you gonna send your Cariers why you don't fix a beatifull Trup near before you do it ? You only need 2 robo units some Dragoons, 2 Templars with pionic storm 1 Corsair and maybe an arbiter.

You can point your carriers in there the goliaths if they follow just becose terran used SHIFT key to target all of cariers with the his goliaths then you only need a hot key to the Templars and you can beatifull take the ALL out. What do i see they play without defence positions most of them and they call Flash noob ? or his game boring? Get REAL.
Thessaloniki - Greece
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 05 2010 01:12 GMT
#72
And imagine the senario that finaly the big army of goliaths are coming infront of this trup (defecne posisions) i wrote about firt you use Corsair to Put 2 beautifull disruption webs one near the other will cover most of goliaths cant fire wile your goons and your robo units will not stop working... then a hot key pionic storm and a second psionic storm to the place out of the disruption webs behind strangly the room that terran can move became really small ha? yes its possible after all to wipe terran forces out with simple moves... some one said the terran are so inbalanced ? get real...
Thessaloniki - Greece
battarro
Profile Joined January 2010
United States59 Posts
April 05 2010 20:54 GMT
#73
I think its because at best, disruption web can be avoided by just microing your Goliath outside of it. against a mobile force, Disruption web loses some of it effectiveness. Flash could just move back his Goliath, wait for it to wear off and then push. In the end the main problem jaehoon had was that he panicked and send his Carriers too soon, with out being full of interceptors, and without reaching critical mass .
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14892 Posts
April 05 2010 21:55 GMT
#74
gahhh
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 06 2010 09:33 GMT
#75
battaro i do agree with you the Disruption web can be proved to be less effective if the Groud is big and the large number of gilaiths can be move back. But take as an exaple the game Stork vs Flash at link:

http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=1410

when flash finaly attacs Storks base there is not big room for the goliaths to mouive out behind are tha tanks in siege mode. Stork needs time for his carriers to create new insterseptos anmd there is noowere for him to hide. 1 Corsair could create 2 Disruption webs in there and the golisths can't monover out of it forsing terran to unsiege his tanks and to move them back can give to protoss significal advanged in there.

it clearly depends in where you choose to do it.

Even when stork attaced a base with 1 Tarrend missle a tank ans some goliaths 1 corsair could easy deactivate missle Tarrend and make the drop from a drop ship really easy.

Thessaloniki - Greece
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 06 2010 10:11 GMT
#76
Sorry move the replay to 13 mins 1 Disruption web can deativate 2 tarent missles and 2 siege tanks just becouse are close. A second Disruption Web can block an area for the Goliaths to close and shoot tha place you can choose to make finaly the drop.
Thessaloniki - Greece
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
April 06 2010 10:56 GMT
#77
anyway what i write in here may proved to be lost of time if Stork and Leta can't get use to play with Disruption web couse i cant get use to play prottos i lose even from the computer....

I can't play like them.
Thessaloniki - Greece
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
May 21 2010 03:16 GMT
#78
Yo does anyone have the picture from the original thread title? I really thought it was cool and would love to see it again.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 27 2010 17:00 GMT
#79
I pmed it to you, for anyone else who wants it you can find it here http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/keit/Flashlight_pl.png

some of keit's finest work imo
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