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[TSL] The Dying Day
December 12th, 2009 06:34 GMT
There is now less than 24 hours before the TSL Ladder will come to a close. The TSL Ladder Standings will stop updating, and everything will grind to a halt. Speculation about qualifier groups will begin, and accusations about ladder abuse will run wild. As people make a last ditch attempt to gain points things are going to get crazy - not that they haven't been already! Everything is so close around rank #48 that I guarantee you no one in the last few ranks will be having a good night sleep tonight. As always, you can check out the current ladder standings in the TSL Ladder Standings thread.
Alas, the abuse has already started. F91 was caught getting free wins from a friend. Upon being questioned he admitted he cheated and has decided to withdraw from the TSL. Ladder abuse is not acceptable in the TSL and rest assured we will be going over every single player's record from the top 48 and checking for abuse. Do not take the final standings in the thread as gospel - those are subject to change after the points have been adjusted to account for rule breaking. Let F91's case be a warning to anyone tempted to abuse their way in at the last second - the TSL admins will be taking a hard line against anyone caught cheating.
While the F91 incident has brought shame to himself, and his team, we applaud the DuskBin Team manager, ash, for getting right to the heart of the matter and sorting this whole thing out. He has gone over and above to try and get Chinese participation in this league and it is a shame that F91 committed such a despicable act to ruin all his hard work. Despite F91 wasting ash's efforts, ash has remained mannered, civil and professional throughout the ordeal and the TSL Admins take our hats off to him and thank him for his cooperation.
Now let's get off this regrettable topic and onto something worth discussing. Here is the final installment of 'Ladder Talk' featuring the final four players who were eliminated from the Razer TSL.
Ladder TalkIn this last installment of Ladder Talk we wrap up the last four players who lost in the Round of 16 in the Razer TSL. These four players represent some of the biggest names in the Starcraft community and are huge favorites to go far in this tournament. They are none other than Cloud, Mondragon, Ret and IdrA. With less than 24 hours to go - how are these guys shaping up on the Ladder? Cloud | Place: | #48 | Rank: |  | Points: | 9418 | Record: | 95-38 |
Cloud is a player who amassed an incredible amount of fans here at TeamLiquid. Why? He’s the Cookie Monster Protoss!! ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif) . He participated in TL: Attack! and was one of our favourite guests on the show. In the Razer TSL he lost IefNaij 1-2 in the Round of 16 – almost eliminating the TSL Champion. After playing in Blizzcon in 2008, Cloud took a bit of a break from Starcraft in 2009 and left ToT. With that said though, his skill has not deteriorated significantly and still played in a few tournaments this year like JSI - but more notably he won WCG Italy. At WCG 2009 he surprised many people by taking out Draco, Fenix and Louder (but losing to Kolll and Jaedong). It looked as if Cloud wasn't going to make it into the top ranks as he started in the TSL ladder quite late. But nevertheless, he has done it. He currently sits in the worst seat in the house - #48. His fate is not certain as one win from someone below him could push him out to #49 and out of the TSL. It's going to be an uneasy 24 hours for Cloud but I hope he hangs in the top ranks - he's an entertaining player! Mondragon | Place: | #5 | Rank: |  | Points: | 10691 | Record: | 114-36 |
The name Mondragon is perhaps one of the most famous of all foreigners. You ask any top Korean gamer about what he thinks about foreigners and he’ll either say he has no idea, or he’ll mention Mondragon. And there’s a very very good reason why they mention him – he’s one of the best in the business. His ZvP is the stuff of legends – back in the Mystery Map Invitational he took out Zeus (now the coach of Hite) 2-1 and has played solid games against the top Koreans at the myriad of Blizzard invitationals he has attended over the years. During the Razer TSL he was the man to beat, and was the favourite for the whole tournament. Why? Because he placed first on the ladder with 10263 points (the only person to break 10000) and had a ridiculous 108-24 record to boot. There are many theories about what actually happened in the Round of 16 – some blame the maps, others just think Dreiven played better on the day – but the result was the Mondragon was eliminated in the very first round of the TSL. While Mondragon has been less active in recent times (which can be seen in things like his decision not to play in WCG Germany this year) he still has managed to climbs the ranks and currently sits at #5 on the ladder. With less than a day to go a seat in the lucrative top 12 seems certain which makes qualifying for the TSL significantly easier for him. Mondragon is like the Mr Germany of Starcraft – and we all hope that Mondragon makes it through to the Top 16, because really, that’s where he belongs. ret | Place: | #10 | Rank: |  | Points: | 10556 | Record: | 113-43 |
Ret has been around forever in the Starcraft scene. He dates back to some of the very first WCGs along with White-Ra. Ret was always a good player back in the day, but in 2005 he really excelled and was one of the top three foreigners in the scene. However, after that he took a break from Starcraft to explore other games and that was that. Back around early 2007 ret decided to make a return to Starcaft and he rebuilt up his skill. His skill steadily increased after the Razer TSL and he rested among the elite of foreign Starcraft. A while ago, Ret decided to take Starcraft more seriously and he rapidly improved and quickly became the undisputed #1 non-Korean Zerg. As we all know, this later lead to him pursuing his dream to become a progamer in Korea. Ret’s Razer TSL run was cut short by Nony in the Round of 16 which at that stage did not come as a huge surprise. Things have changed now. In 2009 the only player not considered an underdog against Ret is Idra. As such, he is a huge favourite to take out this tournament – and with it the $10000 first prize. Ret’s had a very successful year already though. His total earnings this year (from Starcraft tournaments) amasses to around $3,300 – not bad for a 10 year old game. He also attended Blizzcon 2009 where he famously defeated Nada on Colosseum II. Ret has barely touched his TSL account in a while and is banking on his A rank to net him a seat in the top 12. Three players need to surpass his total for him to drop out of the top 12 - something I don't see happening with so little time left in the ladder (and so much risk in still playing the ladder!) IdrA | Place: | #1 | Rank: |  | Points: | 12075 | Record: | 188-89 |
There is no one more feared in the foreigner scene than this man. He is the badboy of Starcraft. His bad manner is more famous than his actual skill. He has had so many run ins with players that its becoming difficult to find people that he hasn’t abused. And yet, the man has the skills to back it all up. He is the most successful non-Korea gamer this year and as of October he had earned $6,800 from tournaments. That’s a fairly nice sum of money, and a sum which would be complemented nicely by the $10,000 first prize in the PokerStrategy.com TSL. Furthermore, he has won more tournaments this year than anyone else. This guy is a killing machine – and his current ladder rank reflects this. But what happened in the Razer TSL? Idra had just moved to Korea to become a progamer and there was a lot of hype around him. After narrowly missing out on the top 16, he survived a cheese onslaught from DashWriter and then dominated his qualifier group. However, he came up against the mighty White-Ra in the Ro16 where he lost 1-2. Ironically, in almost every encounter since then, Idra has destroyed White-Ra (the most recent time being at WCG 2009). Idra's sheer determination to stay in Korea and improve, despite the terrible conditions for foreigners, is something he deserves credit for - and is the reason he holds such a strong position this season. This season Idra holds the same position that Mondragon did – he is the favourite, and there is every expectation that he will perform. However, this season there are so many Zergs placing in high positions something bad might go wrong in the Round of 16. Idra lost to Kolll at WCG 2009 and has been known to lose to cheesy Zergs in the past – thus his victory in the TSL is by no means a sure thing. In the meantime though, Idra should hold his #1 rank since he has a clear 1000 point lead over #2. That means we get to look forward to seeing Nony vs Idra – a former progamer vs a current one – in early January.
Everyone took note when Infernal defeated Kolll on the ladder 8-2 some time ago. TeamLiquid decided to investigate this a bit further so we begged Infernal to give us a glimpse into this series. He produced this replay as the defining game of the series - and Pangshai was only too eager to write a Battle Report for it!
Duels in Deutschland Infernal vs Kolll A battle report by PangshaiThis match featured two Germans - one fresh off a WCG fourth place finish, a young upstart who surprised everyone by beating Idra 2-0, the other a perennial WCG contestant, having competed with the best for as long as we remember. They met on Heartbreak Ridge, which, having been out for a while now, both players have had tonnes of practice on. Some friendly banter marking the beginning of the game, the pair opted for standard openings, forge FE against overpool into double expo. Besides some probe control by Infernal to block Kolll's hatcheries, the early game played out in textbook style, and both players sat back and macroed up with their expansions done. Following the completion of his core, Infernal quickly warped a stargate and a robotics facility while starting the +1 air weapons upgrade, his objective: corsair/reaver. Kolll, however, was more than prepared, his economy strong with three bases, hydra upgrades completed, and lings burrowed in position for good recon. Be it his original gameplan all along, or in response to Kolll's play, Infernal elected to get the reaver damage upgrade before shuttle speed, delaying the mobility of his corsair reaver. The game continued with Infernal adding more gateways, churning out dragoons and reavers while waiting for his shuttle speed to complete. Might we have read his play wrongly? Was he instead going for a goon/reaver timing push? His corsair count was strangely high, but he had also started +1 weapons. Whatever it was, Infernal eventually moved out with an army of two groups of goons, along with four shuttled reavers and a small fleet of corsairs. This army made its way over to Kolll's choke. There it met a welcoming party of well spread lurkers and a vast contingent of hydra/ling. Infernal's first observer was picked off, and his corsairs soon joined it in the afterlife, but a menancing army still awaited the arrival of an observer. One joined them subsequently, and a huge battle began. It seemed the Protoss was outmatched in terms of firepower and that Kolll would take an easy victory, but the reavers proved more resilient than expected, their damage upgrade enabling them to take down large scores of hydras with each scarab. The battlefield was ridden with hydra blood and blue dragoon goo at the conclusion of the battle, both sides, nursing some heavy casualties. Infernal had taken the opportunity to expand to his third while teching to templars, and Kolll had similarly taken a fourth base at his mineral only. The pair, now sat a little and macroed up new armies, Kolll trying unsuccessfully to apply pressure at Infernal's third, and Infernal similarly failing to do damage with his drop on the mineral only. Making a switch to mutas, Koll then headed over to Infernal's main, looking to do some damage. They picked off a good number of probes, but Infernal had, in the meantime, cleared out the lurkers on his cliff, and pushed his army up to Kolll's choke again. This time it was supported by both templar and reavers, and Kolll's observer sniping did not net all of Infernal's observers. Infernal took out the defending lurkers easily and headed for Kolll's nat, which also fell, thanks in part to a relentless stream of reinforcements. Following this, the largely goon army headed up to Kolll's third, strangely, leaving the main and the newly completed defiler tech intact. As with all goon armies, lings gobbled it up whole, and Kolll looked set to take the game, their supplies roughly equal, and Infernal hugely down on bases, only mining from one to Kolll's four (including a rebuilding nat). A storm drop attempt at Kolll's top left base only took down a few drones, and the shuttle was lost, leaving Infernal hurting even further. At this point, defilers were in play, and Infernal's upgrades were behind at 1-0-0 against Kolll's soon to be 2-1. Infernal was determined not to give up, however. A DT drop headed over to top left and quickly razed the hatchery there. Kolll's ling/defiler attempt at Infernal's expansion also met up with some resistance on the way, melting to storms from Infernal's army, which then trudged up to Kolll's mineral only and took it out. Suddenly finding himself, previously with the supply and economic advantage, now being trampled all over, Kolll made a last stand at his choke with a vastly inferior army. Infernal batted it away, drawing the GG from Kolll and earning a hard fought victory. Interesting build from Infernal, with the corsairs and the reavers really having us guessing. The goon/reaver timing push was his answer to the people screaming muta templar snipe imba, but what really shone through was his perseverance, not giving up when behind, and eventually coming through with the DT drop that took out Kolll's expansion and won him the game.
The ladder is almost over. Hang on to your hats folks! I know a ton of you will be f5'ing that Ladder Standings thread tomorrow eager to see who makes the cut. To all players - resist the temptation to break the rules! We will catch you, and you will bring shame on yourself and jeopardize your entry into the TSL. We wish each and every one of you the best of luck in the dying hours of the Ladder.
Let the madness begin.
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Come on Leg you can make it.
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Hmm... really hoping for IdrA and Ret to make it to the finals for an epic Bo5 of the two in Korea.
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only a thousand points separate rank 20 and rank 70. it really shows how a few good games can change one's fortune. i can see why f91 was tempted to do what he did. alas, what a shame
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It's the final countdown!!!!!
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I am pumped to find out who's in the top 48! Kinda disgraceful to see F91 abuse like that. Makes you wonder if others might also be getting free wins but haven't gotten especially for really close ranks like being #49 where the question of possible cheating might make all the difference in qualifying for TSL.
GL to everyone laddering today.
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United States4991 Posts
On December 12 2009 16:08 gamecrazy wrote: I am pumped to find out who's in the top 48! Kinda disgraceful to see F91 abuse like that. Makes you wonder if others might also be getting free wins but haven't gotten especially for really close ranks like being #49 where the question of possible cheating might make all the difference in qualifying for TSL.
GL to everyone laddering today. Rest assured that we will investigate all possibilities for abuse. We have not examined every single potential qualifying player yet, but will do so at the end of the ladder.
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Katowice25012 Posts
oh no cloud is #49 right now
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Wow, kolll lost his last 5 games. What surprises me is that he lost 3 to Idra... is it just stupid confidence? I mean, you would think he would pull all the stops and do whatever it takes to actually get INTO the top 48 at this point, let alone the top 12 like he said.
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Without F91, I will not watch TSL anymore. No one in TSL wants to play with F91, he can only play with Korea. It is too hard to just play Korea, and then get into top 12. Instead, others just need to get into top 48. He has too much pressure.
This ladder rule gives players too much freedom, a lot more are cheating right now. Teamliquid sucks.
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I hate to nitpick like this, but mondi beat zeus 3-0 in the MMI. It was a remarkably one sided series and mondragon was damn near unbeatable zvp at that time.
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boner BONER BONER.
Sorry, I seriously cant think of anything more manly and expressive of how excited the TSL makes me to say.
My mind is going to be officially blown once the brackets are set up and get underway. I could write for a super long time about all the badass stuff but this tournament, but I will just say, you guys are the best.
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gogogo all the good players need to get to where they belong
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I'll miss F91, he's a good player, brings international diversity, and is a creative motherfucker.
anyway, the bottom line is he cheated and regardless of the reasons, I appreciate the TL Staff cracking down on it. Looking forward to watching this TSL live and it'd be a shame if the best players got forced out to make room for cheaters.
Still tho RIP F91's TSL run
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lol f91 abuse good that it was dealt with so cleanly and professionally!
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No seriously, hats off to Ash. He's was so mannered though out TSL.
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Oh wow, I really hope dissy takes it this year :D
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On December 12 2009 18:30 sungohan wrote: Without F91, I will not watch TSL anymore. No one in TSL wants to play with F91, he can only play with Korea. It is too hard to just play Korea, and then get into top 12. Instead, others just need to get into top 48. He has too much pressure.
This ladder rule gives players too much freedom, a lot more are cheating right now. Teamliquid sucks.
Idra? Ret? White_Ra?
They are all doing fine vs Koreans to get to their ranks, and if F91 is better than those guys (you sound like you'd think so) he shouldn't have a problem doing the same. Anyway, it's really not worth discussing, this is F91's fault and no one elses, props to ash for being as manner as he is.
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mTw.MF-iNfeRnaL went 8-2 vs Kolll btw. FOR THE MTW _0/!
Also GO IDRA :D! (he also got his revenge in 3-0 vs kolll and 5-0 White-rA this season)
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Man I would've liked to see that Kolll/Infernal game O.o
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On December 12 2009 18:30 sungohan wrote: Without F91, I will not watch TSL anymore. No one in TSL wants to play with F91, he can only play with Korea. It is too hard to just play Korea, and then get into top 12. Instead, others just need to get into top 48. He has too much pressure.
This ladder rule gives players too much freedom, a lot more are cheating right now. Teamliquid sucks.
Well idra played just korea and then got no.1, and f91 has beaten idra loads of times, f91 should have been able to do it pretty easily
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On December 12 2009 18:30 sungohan wrote: Without F91, I will not watch TSL anymore. No one in TSL wants to play with F91, he can only play with Korea. It is too hard to just play Korea, and then get into top 12. Instead, others just need to get into top 48. He has too much pressure.
This ladder rule gives players too much freedom, a lot more are cheating right now. Teamliquid sucks.
Don`t every fucking say that Teamliquid sucks you fucking sucker .
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i can't WAIT to read through this!!!
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Netherlands13554 Posts
People supporting cheaters in Teamliquids' $23000 tournaments will be gettin' some ill treatment.
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"He is the badboy of Starcraft." LOOL :D Go TSL-Leg you can do it this time!
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On December 12 2009 18:30 sungohan wrote: Without F91, I will not watch TSL anymore. No one in TSL wants to play with F91, he can only play with Korea. It is too hard to just play Korea, and then get into top 12. Instead, others just need to get into top 48. He has too much pressure.
This ladder rule gives players too much freedom, a lot more are cheating right now. Teamliquid sucks.
well perhaps YOU sucks ..
its a fact chinese players lag like hell and ofc no one want to play with laggers
if f91 dont like it he have to play in another country who is no crazy dictatorship who check what their people eat like china is LOL xD
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I have a lot of faith in Mondragon this time. Hope Leg makes it
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United States12607 Posts
Thanks for the update, Plexa and Pangshai…good luck to all the gamers in their last 13 hours!
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It's a shame that F91 is out. But he also agreed to the rules that everyone else has no problem with, so there's nothing he can do.
On another note, I just hope the finals isn't zvz
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Lol Idra looks like Harry Potter in that photo imo.
And it's not TL's fault that F91 had to be in top 12. It was because of personal reasons (not being able to play to much qualification rounds) I think...
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With F91 gone, IdrA vs Ret is guaranteed.
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I'm pretty impressed by what kolll done today, he climbed from 48-50 to 14 right now. It would be really awesome if he gets in to the top 12 before it ends ^^
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TSL-GoOdy abused, too? Or why is his acc resettet to 1000 pkts? He was top 12 some days ago ...
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On December 12 2009 23:45 ony wrote: TSL-GoOdy abused, too? Or why is his acc resettet to 1000 pkts? He was top 12 some days ago ...
nerd rage reset.
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Too bad F91 cheated. I was thinking F91 was going to drop out after his points weren't enough to get into the top 12 while needing to spend the finals days of the ladder playing in a Chinese tournament. He should've just quit TSL right then rather than resorting to blatantly obvious cheating. It's also kind of annoying that his legitimate points likely would've been enough if there weren't such rampant dodging going on. But that's life.
And I was quite excited to see how a top Chinese player would do in a foreign tournament too.
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Plexa you wrote that IdrA dominated his qualifier group in TSL1, but he actually lost the winners match in his qualifier group against DinOt 0-2. Then he defeated hannigan 2-1 in the final of the group to qualifiy for RO16. Just a minor mistake to an otherwise awesome writeup 
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Those are possibly the ugliest mugshots i've ever seen. We truly have the ugliest foreigners. --------------------------------------------- User was temp-banned for this post
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F91, wtf... X_X This is one step closer to the ret-idra finals though... 
GL & HF to all the players! May the best player win!
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Why's there terrible conditions for foreigners in Korea? Lack of translators?
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Ret just beat Idra in a ladder game like... Five minutes ago. Another example of the infamous Idra BM.
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9070 Posts
Idra being the bad boy of starcraft, made my day.
Sure, if I had no idea what he is looking like
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damn f91 that is really a shame hope cloud makes it!
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On December 13 2009 00:40 Choiji wrote: Those are possibly the ugliest mugshots i've ever seen. We truly have the ugliest foreigners. --------------------------------------------- User was temp-banned for this post
sup brad pitt
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i hope idra wins this. he has proven himself.. he deserves it.
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excellent writeup!
p.s. only 6 hours left!! SOOOO EXCITED!!! GO AREW!
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5h and 30 minutes left.
go drone, go!
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jeez im as excited as a little kid waiting to get home and open his new toy!
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WAit.. wait.. can some one pm me how to watch the games?? or replays!???
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On December 13 2009 07:01 Legionnaire wrote:Doh i'm not going to make it Was going to play this morning and just keep doing rushes to try and suck out a few places. Didn't work so well  peter, no!!!
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Does anyone know why Advokate is no longer in the TSL?!
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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why is the terrain all black in these pics?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Pangshai plays SC with the Terrain off (press tab iirc)
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Sad to see Chinas only participant to get kicked out. I can see how F91 could be tempted to choose and easy path considering his flight and how no foreigners want to play him due to his lag and high skill level. From what I've seen from the F91 and the other top Chinese gamers, they are definitely above most other foreigners and probably in league with idra, ret and white-ra.
That being said, cheating should not be tolerated no matter what reasons and should be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
Props to ash/duskbin though, for at least being honest and professional about it.
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Yeah, I wihs F91 was still around but now i just want koll or mondragon to win. Actually... there are quite a few players i want to win!
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lol that idra pic looks like danile radcliffe
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Holy shit both Advokate and Yosh are disqualified... this is a sad sad day for foreign terrans
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Excellent write-up, go ret & Mondragon!
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
I can't believe F91 would cheat. I think he is perfectly capable of passing the ladder stage, why risk huge prize money for a few free games?
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On December 14 2009 01:13 Snet wrote:I can't believe F91 would cheat. I think he is perfectly capable of passing the ladder stage, why risk huge prize money for a few free games?  He was in a pretty rough and complex situation, as first of all he had to make the top12 in order to be able to play later on, as that was the only qualifier date that he could move outside of china for. Also, at the time of the incident he was playing in that chinese G League, so he couldnt play on TSL ladder (and making the final day of G League, he wouldnt even make it back home before the end of the ladder). He seemed to have a secure place before, but upon learning that he got (close to being(?)) pushed out of the top12 he tried laddering from a random netcafe where they didnt even let him use his own equipment. Playing under such conditions, he ran into Castro (iirc), who beat him 3-0. Then, probably in the spur of the moment, frustrated and desperate, he asked a friend to help him abuse the ladder.
I'm not justifying his acts by any means, just elaborating on his motivation, that it wasnt just a few pointless free games for him.
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Ah chinese people, can't trust them
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On December 12 2009 23:24 Elroi wrote: Lol Idra looks like Harry Potter in that photo imo.
And it's not TL's fault that F91 had to be in top 12. It was because of personal reasons (not being able to play to much qualification rounds) I think...
Yes, that's the first thing that came to mind when I saw his photo.
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missing in action: Where is NoNy, Draco, IefNaij, BRAT_OK? Are they all seeded? I cant find them in the ladder standings 
On December 12 2009 23:24 Elroi wrote: Lol Idra looks like Harry Potter in that photo imo.
And it's not TL's fault that F91 had to be in top 12. It was because of personal reasons (not being able to play to much qualification rounds) I think...
Yee, Im not alone ^^ http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=90740
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Idra's picture looks like Harry Potter (Daniel Ratciff)
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Plexa , I enjoyed reading this even thou it's been 3 months.
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pretty nice, wonder whos gonna win this.
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thanks for the report guys
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I'm surprised A- players abuse...
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hah..mondragon? one time, a long time ago and on another website, i payed him forum gold to give me lessons.
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gah, wish we had updates :[
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Hopefully today.....had some last minute changes -____-
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kennigit<3 halp. im in desperate need of some updates on TSL lol.
ret and idra, slay them all please and meet in finals<3
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