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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 06 2009 19:29 GMT
#21
On November 06 2009 22:36 jtype wrote:
Regarding Ruby building 500 starports - I can't believe I didn't see the relevance to him being on ACE, lol. I'm suprised I even remember my name sometimes..


More importantly, when was the last time an ACE member got to do an in-game ceremony against a well known proleague regular? Every part of it is great.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
November 06 2009 19:52 GMT
#22
Absolutely insane writeup. Love these articles.

And why oh why didnt I see the interview where Oz coach said JD would not be sent for ace. Would be top 50 with flash instead of JD.

ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
MrHickoryHam54
Profile Joined January 2009
United States208 Posts
November 06 2009 20:34 GMT
#23
with all due respect to coach Cho of Oz, HE NEEDS TO GO JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!

when the hell will he realize that no one on his team has ANY chance of beating ppl like flash or bisu EXCEPT JD!!!!

no matter what idiot sc fans try to say about lomo or killer, THEY ARE BAD!!!

last yr, they put jd for like, every match, and look where it got them: SILVER MEDAL

hey, when something is working, PLEASE CONSIDER STICKING TO IT!!!
2009-10 Proleague MVP: Doctor.K_PsP
Japakazol
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-06 20:48:08
November 06 2009 20:47 GMT
#24
BeSt vs Flash on Fighting Spirit

The two best macro players on earth, playing in their best matchups


Flash's TvP is terrifying, and my vote for the best in the world. But do you really think it's his best? Note that he sports a staggering 71% TvT. And his TvZ has recently exceeded his TvP percentage-wise as well, making TvP statistically his worst matchup.
We feel your presence. u gotta skate
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 06 2009 21:13 GMT
#25
nice. however, should it be "peace of mind" instead of "piece of mind"? (lol all those puns were lulzy)
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 06 2009 21:24 GMT
#26
On November 07 2009 05:47 Japakazol wrote:
Show nested quote +
BeSt vs Flash on Fighting Spirit

The two best macro players on earth, playing in their best matchups


Flash's TvP is terrifying, and my vote for the best in the world. But do you really think it's his best? Note that he sports a staggering 71% TvT. And his TvZ has recently exceeded his TvP percentage-wise as well, making TvP statistically his worst matchup.

Flash became known for his really strong TvP. Though hs TvT is certainly strongest his TvZ / TvP is equally strong imo. (We dont know cus he neither played Jaedong / Effort / Calm or Bisu / Stork lately)
In the woods, there lurks..
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 06 2009 21:56 GMT
#27
While all of Flash's matchups are terrifying right now, I think its fair to refer to his TvP as his best in this kind of context. It is not only the matchup he became known for, he singlehandedly made the TvP statistic on Medusa last season look way more balanced than it "actually" was (going a combined 11-1 on both, during a time when no terran was winning TvPs).

His TvP remains masterful even during times of protoss dominance and during times when he is playing 'below his best' overall.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
November 06 2009 22:49 GMT
#28
Really great writeup, matches to look forward to is really nice. Interview with the PUNisher was funny as hell, thanks ^^
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
November 06 2009 22:55 GMT
#29
On November 07 2009 05:34 MrHickoryHam54 wrote:
with all due respect to coach Cho of Oz, HE NEEDS TO GO JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!

when the hell will he realize that no one on his team has ANY chance of beating ppl like flash or bisu EXCEPT JD!!!!

no matter what idiot sc fans try to say about lomo or killer, THEY ARE BAD!!!

last yr, they put jd for like, every match, and look where it got them: SILVER MEDAL

hey, when something is working, PLEASE CONSIDER STICKING TO IT!!!


I get the feeling that it's a part of an unspoken deal betweeen Oz Cho and Jaedong's parents in order to keep Jaedong playing. Jaedong's parents legally makes the contract decisions and were really unhappy about Jaedong's stress.
Wake up Mr. B!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 06 2009 23:40 GMT
#30
On November 07 2009 05:47 Japakazol wrote:
Show nested quote +
BeSt vs Flash on Fighting Spirit

The two best macro players on earth, playing in their best matchups


Flash's TvP is terrifying, and my vote for the best in the world. But do you really think it's his best? Note that he sports a staggering 71% TvT. And his TvZ has recently exceeded his TvP percentage-wise as well, making TvP statistically his worst matchup.


He'll always be known for his revolution of TvP, statistics aside, FlaSh is to TvP what Bisu is to PvZ.
RIP Aaliyah
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
November 07 2009 01:34 GMT
#31
Killer is gonna get killed.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
November 07 2009 02:21 GMT
#32
On November 07 2009 08:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2009 05:47 Japakazol wrote:
BeSt vs Flash on Fighting Spirit

The two best macro players on earth, playing in their best matchups


Flash's TvP is terrifying, and my vote for the best in the world. But do you really think it's his best? Note that he sports a staggering 71% TvT. And his TvZ has recently exceeded his TvP percentage-wise as well, making TvP statistically his worst matchup.


He'll always be known for his revolution of TvP, statistics aside, FlaSh is to TvP what Bisu is to PvZ.

Is it to the same degree, though? I really don't know, if you could show me, that'd be great.
Jaedong
Japakazol
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 02:33:55
November 07 2009 02:33 GMT
#33
On November 07 2009 11:21 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2009 08:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 07 2009 05:47 Japakazol wrote:
BeSt vs Flash on Fighting Spirit

The two best macro players on earth, playing in their best matchups


Flash's TvP is terrifying, and my vote for the best in the world. But do you really think it's his best? Note that he sports a staggering 71% TvT. And his TvZ has recently exceeded his TvP percentage-wise as well, making TvP statistically his worst matchup.


He'll always be known for his revolution of TvP, statistics aside, FlaSh is to TvP what Bisu is to PvZ.

Is it to the same degree, though? I really don't know, if you could show me, that'd be great.



It's definitely not, imo. Flash made a somewhat minor innovation to TvP by getting a really fast armory; his TvP prowess stems mostly from flawless mechanics and macro than from some kind of strategic revolution. Bisu is a mechanical fiend as well, but his contribution to the matchup dynamic was far more profound. Lesser players can copy the "Bisu build" with a somewhat high degree of fidelity, whereas copying the "flash build" really amounts to "getting really good at everything."
We feel your presence. u gotta skate
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 02:50:27
November 07 2009 02:49 GMT
#34
Flash almost completely obsoleted a unit that had been used consistently -- for years -- and was thought to be the CAUSE of the PvT imbalance in the lategame. You're absolutely insane if you don't think Flash's build is comparable to Bisu's build in match up changing terms. There's a reason 90% of the time you only see Arbiters instead of carriers lategame, now.
Remember Violet.
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
November 07 2009 02:56 GMT
#35
great read ^^

I'm hoping for a gg between savior and pusan
#1 arb fan -- Raelcun is Nuclear backwards. Rekrul is Lurker backwards. Grobyc is Cyborg backwards. Eniram is Marine backwards.
cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
November 07 2009 02:56 GMT
#36
oh my god the punisher's interview is absolutely amazing
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 07 2009 03:00 GMT
#37
This never disappoints
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 07 2009 03:07 GMT
#38
On November 07 2009 00:53 MrHickoryHam54 wrote:
but u cant rely on stork to carry the team. hes not jaedong....

Yeah. You can't rely on Stork to be Jaedong when Jaedong's "not Jaedong" either.
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Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
November 07 2009 03:19 GMT
#39
Nooo! SKT vs KT is Monday morning for me
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Japakazol
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States102 Posts
November 07 2009 03:29 GMT
#40
On November 07 2009 11:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash almost completely obsoleted a unit that had been used consistently -- for years -- and was thought to be the CAUSE of the PvT imbalance in the lategame. You're absolutely insane if you don't think Flash's build is comparable to Bisu's build in match up changing terms. There's a reason 90% of the time you only see Arbiters instead of carriers lategame, now.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/12150_Flash_vs_JangBi/vod

Case closed, sir. Flash didn't obsolete shit. There is a reason that arbiters are used more often now, and that reason is that arbiters kick ass up and down the block without requiring a period of vulnerability as you tech switch, not because flash made carriers useless.
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