I actually agree with the opinion concerning Hwaseung. Sending other people out for ace is the only way they'll stop coasting off of Jaedong. And obviously it's better to do this in R1 rather than later.

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

October 31 2009 19:20 GMT

#45

You know, it's not that Oz is trying to deepen their line-up that bothers me. As a proud owner of (P)

PerfectMan in fantasy, I love all his appearances. But what is really annoying is that it keeps being (Z)

Killer.

Oz does have other players. But so far, Killer, who has been terrible, especially since being nuked by The Emperor, has gotten all the love.

Also, I hate (Z)

Shine. The future of zerg is (Z)

Ret, not that scrub.

p53

297 Posts

October 31 2009 19:29 GMT

#46

Shine has been doing well, but I guess I've been more impressed with Hyuk because of how late in his career he's been able to make a break. He's 22 years old now, and in a field of energetic and competitive 16-18 year olds, being able to have the drive to stick with it all these years with no results to show for it and young kids beating you left and finally, FINALLY having all that practice pay off makes me really want to cheer for Hyuk. I don't think I'm particularly a fan of Hyuk in any way, shape, or form, but I'm really happy to see this guy succeed.

LetMeShine

979 Posts

October 31 2009 19:32 GMT

#47

On November 01 2009 03:39 Sorrow wrote:
WHAT TEH FUCK BISU LOST TO JAYSTAR?

As shown in his interview about the IEF, he didn't think very much of the skill level of the foreigners. Not surprisingly, once again Bisu shows that he is his own enemy.

Effort also played disappointingly as the leaked (?) rep packs showed some pretty silly decision making, which I am sure he would not do in the proleague. That may have been a result from overconfidence in his micro.

If overconfidence is the reason Bisu and Effort dropped games against the top foreigners, then its not surprising that Stork is doing well if we consider how self degrading he appears to be.

MuShu

United States3223 Posts

October 31 2009 19:42 GMT

#48

awesome!

dukethegold

Canada5645 Posts

October 31 2009 19:46 GMT

#49

Let's see here. Killer lost both of his ACE matches, got nuked by Boxer and allowed SKT to 3-0 them. He is on a losing streak in the proleague even though he is apparently Jaedong's backup.

Like Flash said during his interview, the skill level that a player demonstrates in the practice house is greatly different from what they are able to bring out on television. It all has to do with mindset and a player's nerve.

Considering that Cho is sending Killer out so frequently, it can be assumed that Killer is a practice house monster. The problem is, these series of disasters are destroying Killer's mentality. Any person who directly caused their team to lose two vital matches and fail the expectation of all of his teammates and coach would likely enter a huge slump and develop TV-phobia.

I really think what Coach Cho doing right now is counterproductive. He is throwing an inexperienced player into high pressure situation. I think that he should just focus on Hiya and Lomo. Both are pretty decent, have experience with being under pressure and had their moments. Perhaps with the right push, they can shine.

P.S. Backho is a hopeless cause. After observing Backho v.s. Reach, I advocate Perfectman for Oz Protoss Ace.

thunk

United States6233 Posts

October 31 2009 19:55 GMT

#50

I've finally watched enough games to make coherent discussion about the players and game trends. First time in awhile, actually.

Hyuk - I agree with you on this one. Although ZvZ is his best match-up, even his ZvT and ZvP is streaky. Even if he goes on to win the next 3 MSLs and an OSL, I'll be waiting for the good old inconsistent Hyuk to return.

Shine - He might have outplayed Bisu, beat Violet once. I'm still waiting to see if he's the real deal or not in the next round of the MSL and OSL. I say he's not.

TvP - the small pathways and the non-open exteriors of maps really encourage super quick tech two 2 base Arbiters. Destination was designed like this; 2 base arbiters kept Terran to 2 (if you were able to lock them into their base that fast) or Terran would grab his third and Protoss can double expand. Good T's will figure out how to play against this eventually.

Jaedong's losing is dare I say, slumping? I find it hard to believe. While BW (and Zerg) has changed a lot, Jaedong has always dominated. Part of me wishes Jaedong doesn't slump (even though he's an anti-hero in my mind) because he's been so consistent. If Jaedong slumps now, Lecaf could be bottom of the standings in no time at all and Coach Oz's attempts will be late and in vain.

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

October 31 2009 19:59 GMT

#51

excellent read. many thanks

i agree with you on the part about recalls PvT, but when I try to counter the toss keeps delaying my attack as long as possible while reinforcing his defense, but terran is unable to reinforce because his factories in his main are dying. its a great idea to build factories at other bases late game, but that usually doesn't happen until you have your 4th/5th base or so, and it is very possible that recalls go off before that.

also, i knew a HH like that was coming, so good xD

PeAcY6969

France621 Posts

October 31 2009 20:25 GMT

#52

Thanks Plexa !

MisteR

Netherlands595 Posts

October 31 2009 20:40 GMT

#53

No way. Shine might be statistically better over Hyuk, but he lacks killer eyes. He lacks killer intent, he lacks the x-factor; something which Hyuk however has in abundance. I'm convinced that Shine has no more potential than, say, Type-b. He is not even on the level of Forgg, Mind and GGplay, the one hit wonders. While I see Hyuk getting only better and better, eventually solving his vs terran to make it bearable, I don't think Shine will get any farther then he is now. I see Hyuk to get at least to Firebathero level, more then enough for SKT1, and if he's smart enough, he can reach much higher levels.

Haha, I'm not sure that I agree with myself, but there you go, a little opposition won't hurt the Backseat Crew!

(excellent article, Plexa and co)

Frits

11782 Posts

October 31 2009 21:02 GMT

#54

ughh 8 days until the next KT game

darktreb

United States3016 Posts

October 31 2009 22:02 GMT

#55

On November 01 2009 03:50 SuperArc wrote:
(P)

Movie is in both leagues too...

Yeah, along with (Z)

Shine,

Stork, and (T)

Hwasin,

Movie and

Flash also qualified their way into both leagues.

QibingZero

2611 Posts

October 31 2009 22:36 GMT

#56

It's a shame the reaver part of Stork's corsair/reaver was an absolute failure, but that should just prove to the toss players out there that corsairs are ridiculously strong even by themselves and should not be thrown away on a whim. Hell, almost the same type of game was played in free vs Modesty this week. Free's reaver does a bit of damage, but ultimately the corsairs run around stealing the show.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

October 31 2009 23:17 GMT

#57

Someone post the video where incontrol picks his name for his bracket lol

tedster

984 Posts

October 31 2009 23:51 GMT

#58

Throwing in another vote for needing to include Lux/Effort as a game of the week, it's not often that you see a top player that baffled in a mirror match. Watch it again, Plexa, you will appreciate it

OpticalShot

Canada6330 Posts

November 01 2009 00:19 GMT

#59

This article gave me a good reality check on Hyuk - it was so easy hopping on the "HvZ" bandwagon. Nevertheless, my trade of FBH for Hyuk is paying off nicely and I hope Hyuk continues his hot streak!

iloahz

United States964 Posts

November 01 2009 00:46 GMT

#60

the thing with hyuk is that he was once considered one of the worst progamers, ever. If you look at his TLPD page, he had like 20% win rate before July, and after July, his win rate jumped to 80%. It doesn't really matter that his zvt and zvp isn't top notch so far, because he's fundamentally changed, and if he could make his zvz go from pathetic to s-class, he can become a good player in all MUs, period. I don't think anyone in the history of progaming has been shown capable of such drastic level of skill improvement that hyuk did, and for that alone, I think he will prove to be much greater than shine in the future.

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