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Liquipedia Strategic Q&A - Episode I
September 7th, 2009 08:46 GMT
When the off-season started, depression set in:
On August 30 2009 17:58 okum wrote:
I just realized that the TL calendar is empty now. I feel all empty inside; my life has no meaning -_- fear no more ...artwork by PholonModern Mech TvZ - Overhyped or Overpowered?EST Saturday 9/12 - 15:00
CET Saturday 9/12 - 21:00
KST Sunday 9/13 - 04:00
We invited some experts to talk an up-to-date strategy topic on ventrilo. While this may prove to be useful input to the new iCCup season, start up a Mech section at liquipedia, explain recent trends and shifts in meta-game, the main focus is on everyone having a great time. We proudly present:
The Hosts
Ver, Liquipedia Head of Terran Strategy
Chill, Liquipedia Head of Zerg Strategy, Strategy Forum Moderator
The Experts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tsld/images/flags/us.png) Day[9], Audio-Advisor, Top Zerg Player, USA WCG representative 2004/05, member of the Plott family.
  Artosis, commentator, videomaker, omnipresent in WCG USA, representative in 2004. The soul of ESPORTS.
IdrA, professional gamer on the CJ Entus team, winner of the Valor Tournament and the ESL Extreme Masters.
The Format - Where? - The Q&A will be held on Ventrilo and broadcast via Livestream, similarly like the last TL Q&A. At the same time, our channel #liquipedia is open for discussion about the event.
- What do I need to join? - Just join the livestream channel, it will even display below the calendar.
The Preparation
We won't just talk out of thin air. In agreement with the experts, we picked some games to watch beforehands. Questions about these games can and should be asked, and references might be made to some moves inside of them. The games are:
Flash vs. Effort on Destination, Korean WCG Qualifier
Near-perfect mech play on Destination
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +
Skyhigh vs. Jaedong on Destination, SPL Ace Match
How to counter mech on Destination
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +
Canata vs. Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, Avalon MSL
A Fake-mech variant w/ valks
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +
Your Part?
Have fun preparing, asking questions, and most importantly, enjoy this unique event!
 Liquipedia staff
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Will the experts be watching the games live on stream, an audio commentary of sorts? That would be a lot of fun, hearing their opinions.
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Sweet!
This is extra appreciated due to the long and boring off-season.
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IM SO HYPED! this is gonna be great! :D
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5673 Posts
This is gonna rock. Thanks for putting this together. 
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This will be so awsome...
I have a question though, are the terran stratergies going to be updated because....they are outdated atm with like TvT and TvP...
Thanks~
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Nice idea Pholon and Aesop :D Also Pholon I admit your banners look better with the TL background than Windows Picture and Fax Viewer n_n
Can't wait to see the results of this or even participate if I would be so bold.
BTW - needs a Protoss expert to be complaining about imba T all the time :3
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Yeah, thats a good idea, can't wait to watch this :D
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Osaka27136 Posts
I'm looking forward to this event more than anything else in September. HUGE PROPS to the liquipedia team for setting this up.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2009 22:14 StalkerSC wrote:
This will be so awsome...
I have a question though, are the terran stratergies going to be updated because....they are outdated atm with like TvT and TvP...
Thanks~
I think the plan is to hold a bunch of these over the coming months and transfer the information form those chats into liquipedia. So yea, we'll do TvP/TvT and whatnot in the future
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Netherlands6142 Posts
I'm excited. Are you excited? I'm EXCITED!
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this is awesome. Can't wait for it! Meching terran vs zerg is trhe most interesting matchup to me.
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This is very impressive and i sure as hell will tune in. However i dont think this will be of that much use to me, since my largest faults still lie within mechanics.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
I think this will be amazing to watch even if you can't directly apply it to your own skills. I really enjoy listening to high level discussion like this, so thanks Liquipedia guys :D !
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Holyshit this is awsome, too bad i cant listen in live T_T
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wow, this is such a good idea... seriously.
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teamliquid should set up a Day[9] vs IdrA Bo5
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
what a nice idea, hope i'll be home when this happens!
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this sounds like a lot of fun
probably won't be able to watch live though 
props to idra for doing this at such a shitty time for him.
edit: nevermind hes in the US, not korea ^^
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AWESOME!
I wish Terrans would stop going mech in TvZ.. it is so boring to watch.
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I love Teamliquid so much! Thanks for doing this!
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this sounds great! i only play protoss but as the saying goes "know your enemies"!
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dang tl still comes out with new stuff :D
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United States11390 Posts
On September 07 2009 23:34 meegrean wrote:AWESOME! I wish Terrans would stop going mech in TvZ.. it is so boring to watch.
Tbh, from a playing standpoint, I actually get relieved when I see mech since most times it's a much easier win as compared to vs bio.
Anyways, this is awesomeeeeeeee and can't wait. <3
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Awesome, but could we get a review of JD vs Fantasy on outsider OSL semis? Kinda one of the most exciting games - ever.
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United Arab Emirates5091 Posts
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Do you guys plan to talk about pro level play exclusively in these things, or will you talk about the balance and stuff at lower levels?
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Noooo... This is in 5 days. I can't wait that long
srsly, can't wait. It's gonna be awesome! Thank you!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
At least 2/3 of the participants are ESPORTS, so this should go well. I'm pretty sure Day[9] is ESPORTS too, but we'll have to ask him on Saturday.
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This is superb, just what I could use to improve my play. Very much looking forward to this, but I can't watch it live. I hope there will be a downloadable version of some sorts because I in no way want to miss this?
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OMG! Why are you guys so cruel? Giving a present like this many days into the future and not right now when I desire it so desperately?
Edit: OMG 2! I'm a hydralisk!
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This is as awesome as Bear Semen!
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Whoah! i watched the 2 first games, first game makes zvmech on destination seem impossible! second makes it seem totally useless :p
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Mech TvZ isn't the best choice imo, but anyway this is great.
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On September 08 2009 01:13 nttea wrote:
Whoah! i watched the 2 first games, first game makes zvmech on destination seem impossible! second makes it seem totally useless :p
The question then is what happens when you pit Jaedong and Flash against each other on Destination.
It has only happened once, and Jaedong won. So maybe that clears up everything...
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Canada7170 Posts
On September 08 2009 01:15 1984 wrote:
Mech TvZ isn't the best choice imo, but anyway this is great.
We're always up for suggestions 
Thx Aesop and co.! I will be tuning in (I hope).
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Really, I think that fantasy vs JD in the OSL's at outsider should be included.
It's 2 not-so used strategies and very interesting gameplay. Should be worth a rewatch imo.
(might've posted this before but I wasn't able to find it so I reposted, sorry if I double posted)
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United States12607 Posts
This is such a great idea, and a perfect topic. Way to go Liquipedia staff!
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Wonderful expert staff, I'll make sure to check this out.
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This is more epic than MSL finals :/
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Why is TL so good? There's a goddamn golden age of eSports happening and it's right here on this freaking website.
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Too good to be true, excellent! Looking forward to it!
Keep up the good work!
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Noo im going to miss this!
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Sweet finally a conclusion to all the mech imba threads
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This is why i love TL..
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This a fucking brilliant idea, I'm sure to be tuning in, Day9, Idra and Artosis in the same metaphorical room, discussing strategy? excellent, and if Idra doesn't call someone a fucking skilless newbie at some point, I may just die.
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This is SO AWESOME, but I can't be there :-(... hope you guys are recording this for posterity.
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Being a zerg player this is very useful to me. :D
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I'm not sure how much discussion and varied views such a narrow topic is going to offer...i dunno, just sounds like a too specific topic to really get a good discussion out of.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Wow I can't wait for this. I've been busy so far getting ready for school and *Blarg College Applications*, but some of the work load will disappear soon. I think I can do this :D. See you there!
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Wouldn't bother if Idra wasn't there.
can't wait to hear Greg out :O
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Terran Mech has been discussed to death already.. but cool nonetheless
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Should this be viewed as a strictly TvZ thing (ie how to win with mech as Terran) or can we ask "ZvT" questions too? I mean it's not to hard to reframe a question but I'm a Zerg player and it's much more natural for me to talk about the match up from a Zerg perspective...
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This is "Oooo" and "Ahhh" worthy. Nice stuff Liquipedia guys!
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where the protoss experts at?
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Despite being a toss player I have to admit I'm super psyched for this... I'll be taking notes.
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Hungary11270 Posts
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"and should become a regular event." !?!?!
omg next time zvp 3hatch spire- 5hatch hydra plz
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fantastic..but i am toss.lol
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i like that the ep showcases examples of games where the strategy is demonstrated in various ways
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wow
This is really awesome. The topic is great. I've been thinking a lot about this machup from both sides.
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Day[9] member of the Plott family, the rest was just filler
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Hopefully we should get some analysis at all levels, including C/D iCCup level as well as top level analysis. Playing mech/against mech should be different at various levels of mechanical and strategic ability.
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Such a sweet crew of analysts/experts. It would be perfect to get ret into this. I really enjoy hearing the discussions at a high level. Thanks guy!
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Jaedong was brilliant in his victory, he delayed producing mutas after skyhigh spotted his spire, spawned hydras instead, and skyhigh built a ton of air defence for nothing early on, then late Jaedong at the end engages skyhigh's army, sends the mutas after the massed goliaths instead of the tanks, kills off all the goliaths and then sends his mutas in to deal with the tanks.
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This should turn out great I can't wait. I am really glad to see IdrA's name there.
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This is probably the match up the interests me most. Eager to hear what Artosis and the others have to say about it at this current time.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On September 08 2009 04:47 Strayline wrote:
Should this be viewed as a strictly TvZ thing (ie how to win with mech as Terran) or can we ask "ZvT" questions too? I mean it's not to hard to reframe a question but I'm a Zerg player and it's much more natural for me to talk about the match up from a Zerg perspective...
We'll look at MechvZ from both perspectives, so if you're Zerg you might learn a thing or two as well
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nice idea ;] but im not that much interested cause i play protoss ;P
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hmmm can I post questions here?
If I can, here we go:
1.What do you think about switching to greedy openings (as Z), when you can confirm mech build with your 9'th drone scout. (I.E.: 3 hatch before pool/4hatch before gas).
2.What do you think about various hydra + something unit combinations. Which one would you offer to use for certain situations depending on goll:tank ratio/ wraith, valks, vessels existence? (I.E.: Hydra/ling, Hydra/lurk, Hydra/muta, Hydra/Ling/Muta, Hydra/Ultra).
edit: thx Aesop, posted there ^^.
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Hungary11270 Posts
On September 08 2009 21:21 ProoM wrote:
hmmm can I post questions here?
If I can, here we go:
1.What do you think about switching to greedy openings (as Z), when you can confirm mech build with your 9'th drone scout. (I.E.: 3 hatch before pool/4hatch before gas).
2.What do you think about various hydra + something unit combinations. Which one would you offer to use for certain situations depending on goll:tank ratio/ wraith, valks, vessels existence? (I.E.: Hydra/ling, Hydra/lurk, Hydra/muta, Hydra/Ling/Muta, Hydra/Ultra).
the better place would be here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101536
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Netherlands6142 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
hopefully I will be reinvited I had time conflict with PAn Am champ.. sorry guys.
Looks nice btw!
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The one time I'm working... Damn you TL for picking times that are convenient for every one else except me....
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Will there be an mp3 of this like the TL chat?
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Hungary11270 Posts
On September 09 2009 22:08 TheAntZ wrote:
Will there be an mp3 of this like the TL chat?
Most likely, yes.
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This is a great idea. I always love listening to discussions like these as they are helpful for both players and watchers.
Unfortunately, I'm unable to listen to the live cast, but I am hoping it will be posted after the fact as well. Thanks!
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yes.. please record it so all the people in tl (who don't want to stay up) get to listen to it too.
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Has this started yet?
I don't see the livestream up
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Argh... i can't find the live stream
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I found it. Check the newest news post. But it should be posted on the sidebar also.
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Hungary11270 Posts
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haha it ends up with artosis saying 'I have to pee really bad'
It was great, can't wait for the next one :D
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