On July 21 2009 15:32 Ace wrote: Honestly though Plexa, I would have thought BC was mafia also. Lynching MBH was like a huge "I'm mafia suck my dick" move of the game. I can understand why Bockit did it.
Eh man, the logic behind it was actually decent with the resurrection mechanic. In a game (lets assume vet players for a moment). Offing a top tier player like mbh, ver, or qatol, is one of the smartest things you can do if you can res them. They die and role flips, if down you res, if mafia you took out one of the biggest hits. Untop of that, after the lynch of truthbringer, I actually did start doing semi decent analysis, i linked pyrr (to a redherring but still) and ecomania correctly.
As to why I said follow foolishness and pyrr, the town pissed me off =\. My final hope was in ydg (he was figuring out the clues) and foolishness because he was starting to look at the right places. As for you pyrr, no one would believe me when I said you were red regardless, most players in this game even at the end didnt see you as anything more than a bad townie. But as I told you on msn almost as soon as I died, you avoided me on msn and it was a tell you never ditch out when a khan game is on when you know another khan fan is online waiting to talk!
But yea, pyrr is mafia mvp and game allstar player, serious props man.
On July 21 2009 15:32 Ace wrote: Honestly though Plexa, I would have thought BC was mafia also. Lynching MBH was like a huge "I'm mafia suck my dick" move of the game. I can understand why Bockit did it.
Eh man, the logic behind it was actually decent with the resurrection mechanic. In a game (lets assume vet players for a moment). Offing a top tier player like mbh, ver, or qatol, is one of the smartest things you can do if you can res them. They die and role flips, if down you res, if mafia you took out one of the biggest hits. Untop of that, after the lynch of truthbringer, I actually did start doing semi decent analysis, i linked pyrr (to a redherring but still) and ecomania correctly.
That bold is the problem. It's an extremely bad move. Why would you ever kill any of the best players so quickly if you have nothing to go on? The way I view it is who cares if they can be rezzed - he's out of the game for two days. That's more than enough time to do a lot of damage. It's also not certain that IF he comes back he'd have enough information to save the Town. Hence, since you aren't sure of his alignment it's just better to hope he is Town and Mafia kill him then you rez him because he'd have contributed or just catch him acting red.
You got unlucky though. The worst case scenario of the Priest dying fast came through and it was over from there. That risk is exactly why killing MBH so fast was an extra incentive not to even do it. His revival wasn't guaranteed and putting both those together you looked like the most scummy person in the town. It was insane to think killing one of your best players, him happening to flip green, then the Priest waiting 2 days for a revival, MBH having a solid info base and not dying the night he was revived was all going to play out perfectly.
Man, it was a non vet game, the vet names in this game were L, MBH, pyrr, myself, bockit, and then we had familiar names that were in the noob game. Out of the 5 of us, any one of us if we decided to could dictate how the game moved. L, to me appeared green at the start of the game so instantly off my list, pyrr flew under my radar for the first little while, and bockit is not as threatening as mbh. In a game like that, with 5 names people would associate with playing usually well or at least actively people will listen. Of the 5 of us, mrbabyhands is deff the best behavioural analysis, insanely good at pinning down people with roles (be it red or blue).
Also since the only 100% way to confirm someone this game down to their role was death, killing a potential red monster was worth the risk if he was townie. HAD he been resurrected, he would have instantly won the game. Hell, even had town ignored me for the most part, and left me alive to use double lynches, the chances of them winning were higher. However, past that play, and a few analysis' I didn't care overall. I shouldn't have played this game because the chances of rolling green are way to high, and playing the same role 6 of 8 games + building the reputation for playing the same style each game pretty well (not hard to do when your always the same thing) and of those 8 games, 7 have been town aligned. I seriously just need a change of play and as such want a smurf only game, I can safely alter my play style without setting off alarms, which as of now is unable to happen.
So I prob won't play in any non vet/non smurf game in awhile as requesting a role most likely isn't the fair thing to do at this point.
On July 21 2009 15:32 Ace wrote: Honestly though Plexa, I would have thought BC was mafia also. Lynching MBH was like a huge "I'm mafia suck my dick" move of the game. I can understand why Bockit did it.
OMG please someone at least has to believe this. BC: hey im just going on other plan because i want. WTF. Thats why i came insta all in against him. And note that the first fucktard was me ok stupidity where it belongs. Btw Plexa i want to check that weather list please. Congratulations mafia you had the game 2 days ago.
I made some bad plays, but your final 3 mafia list was horrible. You didnt have 1 in the group of 3.
None of you thought of the move logically, Maybe I would have been better off killing L/pyrr/fishball or the like, ie someone who could lead down as well. But on the off chance one of L/pyrr/mbh/fishball was red or any other bigname, mbh scares me the most. Just as if qatol or ver were in the game i would hit one of them over mbh as they both scare me more than mbh and can manipulate the game just as well.
Yes, I will admit I could have used the plan on someone else, but in this game mbh, if revived, would have enough information hopefully to completely rape the mafia, almost autowinning the game.
On July 21 2009 16:14 Ace wrote: agreed with only playing in vet/games without retards BC - games like this make the rage come out :'(
Man, soon as I got my role, I wanted to auto troll game into mod kill, but was basically told by ver/qatol issues would arise from it (outside obvious ban on tl most likely). So yes, some bad plays, but at day 4, plexa had clue raped alot of mafia, im surprised that after like 2 failed lynches, the town let pyrr continue leading them with that bad analysis, but bleh. I just need a new playstyle to get me back into wanting to play, and I think smurfing would fix it. Being a known name limits what you can do as anything not in norm behaviour from previous games gets you killed. Its such a hard slope, be a red and have to lie and plot and scheme while playing similar to normal, or be green repeatedly and get bored of the same thing. Smurfing is the only option left to me
On July 21 2009 16:19 Ver wrote: I still don't get why nobody ever rereads the thread or tries to look beyond the open suspects. The votelists incriminated nearly every mafia very early on.
I dunno, how can we get people to improve?
I told them to look at the votelists =\
but yea, I dunno. I see some very good potentials as really good players with a few more games, so not all is bad.
On July 21 2009 15:32 Ace wrote: Honestly though Plexa, I would have thought BC was mafia also. Lynching MBH was like a huge "I'm mafia suck my dick" move of the game. I can understand why Bockit did it.
OMG please someone at least has to believe this. BC: hey im just going on other plan because i want. WTF. Thats why i came insta all in against him. And note that the first fucktard was me ok stupidity where it belongs. Btw Plexa i want to check that weather list please. Congratulations mafia you had the game 2 days ago.
I made some bad plays, but your final 3 mafia list was horrible. You didnt have 1 in the group of 3.
None of you thought of the move logically, Maybe I would have been better off killing L/pyrr/fishball or the like, ie someone who could lead down as well. But on the off chance one of L/pyrr/mbh/fishball was red or any other bigname, mbh scares me the most. Just as if qatol or ver were in the game i would hit one of them over mbh as they both scare me more than mbh and can manipulate the game just as well.
Yes, I will admit I could have used the plan on someone else, but in this game mbh, if revived, would have enough information hopefully to completely rape the mafia, almost autowinning the game.
Not too sure about that and if you are going to dependant on MBH every game please stop appearing in ALL the mayor lists. I better play RPS or roll a dice seeing if mbh turns red, green or blue. I try my best. Always. Im not playing a game following some guy because he is good, sorry i prefer 100% be the loser crazy guy. And for leader I wanted L. I voted L. You won the office. You were the leader. Trying to look for another player to take the lead just made you suspicious. Next time you want the office be the leader or let others take it.
Actually, by setting up a situation to give a 100% confirmed role reigns to the town (also someone who ran way late for mayor) the position should be a sign that I'm not mafia. Mafia would never willingly give up power, especially when I got fingered as the gf. Gf in this setup would never run for election as he can cover a regular mafia and have them take the role + get a regular red bg protection offchance the mafia dies, less kp lost and bigger loss on town in double lynches.
I did some bad plays, but if you look at the sum of things i would be viewed as a) insanely obvious mafia, or b) asshole townie
You'd figure people would know I'm not dumb enough to be a super obvious mafia, and instead be labeled as the tool I was =\. Overall town followed the breadcrumbs the mafia left towards other townie doors.
EPT
you never ditch out when a khan game is on when you know another khan fan is online waiting to talk!
