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Yey. I had him pinned as mafia from the first vote.
Hopefully motbob is killed tonightby Scaramanga, who we have to assume is a vigilante. If he were not, the real vigilante hopefully would have realized that there was nothing to lose from standing up and claiming it themselves.
Furthermore, hopefully mafia will not kill me at night with the thought that I might get lynched by the town. It got me this far in the game. ;P
I think we have the re-evaluate how everyone who's still alive been voting in this game up to this point. Foolishness made a very good post in this endeavor earlier in the game, but it has to be updated. If no one's done it by the time I get home, I'll write it out. (using library computer right now)
Concerning motbob, he could be something other than mafia, but there was a post in this thread that made me think he was a definite red. If you look back at one of my troll posts (specifically the one with the BS clue analysis where I say we should lynch suspicious people like pyrr and L--I could not find it with a quick ctrl+f, but I remember it's contents), motbob trolls me back. I obviously detected what he was doing, but decided to respond with a mocking/angry tone (something to the effect of "That's so stupid I won't even bother replyin to it.") Immediately, motbob became defensive and apologized, even though, if he were thinking correctly, he did not have to apologize. However, it would seem, he did not want to purposely offend anyone, ostensily because he recognized that it would bring unneeded attention to his role.
In our little exchages, he also points out, rather blatantly I might add, that he has no contributed anything to the town. I don't think he's contributed anything since then either.
Motbob, defend your behavior and not the clues, eh.
On a side note, how much of this is mafia coverig up posts. It's annoying reading through this crap.
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Y'know, first thing that popped into my head was "Why isn't pyrr dead?"
And mafia operates very quickly. :O
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Dead people should not speak. The town was clearly not oblivious. I voted for ecomania and suspected motbob both by Day 2. Foolishness obliviously did as well. You did not, however. Hush now, you're dead.
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Yes, it's very amusing how I stopped trolling after I was warned that I would be banned if I did not stop trolling. It's almost as if I did not want to get banned. How amusing! And retarded! Again, you're dead. Hap.
Rebirthoflegend, what happened to you? You said you're catching up (after the 4th of July post) and have not posted recently.
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chaoser is about 75% mafia.
My post is taking extremely long. It should be done in an hour.
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Geez, what's with the dead. I cited rapid cognition on page 17 or whatever. If you know anything about the subject, that means I was 100% sure the guy was mafia. And it's scientific. What could be more logical?
For those too lazy to take a gander at the voting trends. I organized it the way I think the information would have the most value to us.
Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +
TruthBringer votes for BC @ 00:08
Pyrrholuxia votes for BC @ 00:44
Redtooth votes for BC @ 01:07 (@ 02:35, he retracts his vote)
Heavonearth votes for BC @ 06:11
ydg votes for BC @ 11:21
LucasWoJ votes for BC @ 11:48
Shikyo votes for BC @ 18:45
BWDero votes for BC @ 20:56
Falcynn votes for BC @ 21:06
Scaramanga votes for BC @ 01:56 (next day)
Faronel votes for BC @ 07:44
So no fek votes for L @ 02:07
iNfuNdiBuLuM votes for L @ 02:56
Chezinu votes for L @ 03:04
ecomania votes for L@ 05:45
motbob votes for L @ 05:49
GoodWill votes for L @ 11:05
iLoveKT votes for L @ 12:13
Malongo votes for L @ 15:50
chaoser votes for L @ 02:59 (next day)
JeeJee votes for L @ 03:18
BC abstains @ 13:07
Fishball abstains @ 13:25
Bockit abstains @ 13:54
Lenwe abstains @ 21:07
viv57 abstains @ 22:32
vx70GTOJudgexv abstains @ (next day) 01:12
redtooth abstains @ 01:35
Foolishness abstains @ 02:48
araav abstains @ 03:51
Elemenope abstains @ 04:09
MrBabyHands abstains @ 05:56
Nonvoters:
L
Inertinept
Clasic
kuja900
Storrzerg
Rebirthoflegend
Scamp
Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +
The number on the far right after each line indicates how many votes the person has after the last vote.
L votes for Truthbringer @ 10:08
BC votes for Araav @ 10:39
Faronel votes for Truthbringer @ 12:41 (2)
Pyrrhuloxia votes for Araav @ 13:26 (2)
ydg votes for Truthbringer @ 13:31 (3)
Malongo votes for Heavonearth @ 14:04
BC from araav (1) ---> ydg @ 15:40
vx70GTOJudgexv votes for ydg @ 19:19 (2)
intertinept votes for ecomania @ 21:56
Storrzerg votes for araav @ 22:25 (2)
ilovekt votes for ydg @ 23:09 (3)
Foolishness votes for ydg @00:33 (4) (next day)
LucasWoJ votes for ecomania @ 02:02 (2)
Falcynn votes for lynch ydg 03:55 (5)
So no fek votes for Araav @ 05:02 (3)
Chezinu votes for Truthbringer @ 10:41 (4)
So no fek from araav (2)--> truthbringer @ 10:53 (5)
Malongo votes for truthbringer @ 11:13 (6)
Foolishness from ydg (4)-->truthbringer @11:37 (7)
Clasic votes for Truthbringer @15:33 (8)
Pyrrhuloxia araav (1)--> Truthbringer @15:45 (9)
redtooth votes for ydg @16:30 (5)
Scaramanga votes for ydg @ 16:42 (6)
motbob from abstain-->ydg @17:12 (7)
Bockit votes for Truthbringer @ 17:16 (10)
Kuja900 votes for ydg @18:00 (8)
Lenwe votes for Truthbringer @19:19 (11)
BWDero votes for Truthbringer @ 20:37 (12)
ydg from truthbringer (11)-->ecomania (3) @23:52
Truthbringer votes for ydg @00:19 (9)
ecomania from abstain--> ydg @00:28 (10)
storrzerg from araav (0)-->truthbringer @01:13 (12)
chaoser from abstain --> ydg @07:55 (11)
JeeJee votes for chaoser @08:30
Scamp from abstain -->ydg @09:16 (12)
redtooth ydg (11)-->abstain @13:30
GoodWill votes for Truthbringer @15:08 (13)
iNfuNdiBuLuM votes Truthbringer @16:54 (14)
Foolishness abstains @ 14:20
infundibulum abstains @ 14:40
motbob abstains @ 15:04
Heavonearth abstains @ 15:20
Lenwe abstains @ 19:12
chaoser abstains @ 22:22
ecomania abstains @ 23:43
araav abstain @ 18:28 (next day)
Scamp abstains @ 01:09
RoL abstains @ 01:52
Non-Voters:
Shikyo
Elemenope
Fishball
vivi57
I messed up the numbers somewhere :O
Day 3
+ Show Spoiler + I'm disregarding my joke votes
Bockit votes BC @00:12
inertinept votes LucasWoJ @02:00
Storrzerg votes Bockit @03:41
Clasic votes LucasWoJ @ 04:10 (2)
Pyrr votes BC @ 04:15 (2)
Storrzerg from Bockit-->infun @04:25
Pyrr from BC-->LucasWoJ @06:14 (3)
Redtooth votes for pyrr @07:55
Foolishness votes for ecomania @08:06
Redtooth abstains from pyrr @08:39
Storrzerg infun-->pyrr @08:46
LucasWoJ votes for chaoser @08:54
ydg votes for ecomania @09:15 (2)
GoodWill votes for BC @09:18 (2)
pyrr from LucasWoJ (2)-->ecomania @09:26 (3)
Scaramanga votes for ecomania @10:03 (4)
Chezinu votes for LucasWoJ @11:35 (3)
2nd vote Scaramanga votes for LucasWoJ @ 13:36 (4)
BC votes for ecomania @14:46 (5)
2nd vote BC votes for infun @14:46
Pyrr votes for Kuja900 @16:57
BC ecomania (4)-->kuja900 @17:11 (2)
2nd vote BC from infun-->inert @17:11
Heavonearth votes for kuja900 @17:31 (3)
iLoveKT votes for ydg @19:32
ilovekt votes for kuja900 @19:32 (4)
Scaramanga from LucasWoJ (3)-->kuja900 @20:49 (5)
Lenwe votes for kuja900 @21:10 (6)
2nd vote Lenwe votes for falcynn @21:10
2nd vote LucasWoJ votes for kuja900@22:10 (6)
Malongo votes for BC @22:19 (3)
Malongo votes for BC @22:19 (4)
Storrzerg votes kuja900@22:33 (7)
Chezinu from lucas-->kuja @23:38 (8)
Chezinu 2nd vote ydg @23:38
Chezinu 2nd vote ydg-->BC @23:38 (5)
inertinept Lucas-->kuja900 @23:52 (9)
inert 2nd vote ecomania @ 23:52 (5)
Falcynn vote ecomania @23:52 (6)
Falcynn second vote kuja900 @23:52 (10)
Foolishness second vote kuja900 @00:34 (11)
motbob votes for ecomania @01:16 (7) then (6) at 02:02
motbob votes for BC @ 01:16 (6) then (5) at 02:02
pyrr second vote falcynn @01:40
ecomania votes kuja900 @02:33 (12)
inert votes kuja900-->ecomania @10:31 (8)
iloveKT votes ecomania @10:57 (9)
Bockit second vote BC @13:12 (6)
Storrzerg votes ecomania @13:52 (10)
Foolishness kuja900 (11)-->chaoser @14:07 (4)
motbob votes BC x2 @14:30 (8)
pyrr from falcynn-->BC @14:41 (9)
Foolishness from chaoser-->ecomania @14:59 (11)
BC from inert-->ecomania @ 15:04 (12)
infun votes for kuja900 @15:29 (12)
infun votes for BC @15:29 (10)
BC kuja X2 @16:02 (-1 to ecomania)
infun from BC-->faronel @16:13 (after pressure from ecomania's been slightly taken down)
Faronel votes for BC @16:18
lenwe votes for kuja900 @19:31 (12)
lenwe votes for BC @19:31 (10)
ecomania votes for BC @21:11 (13)
LucasWoJ from chaoser-->ecomania @22:40 (10)
ydg from chaoser-->ecomania @02:23 (11)
chaoser abstains @10:53
pyrr abstains @15:15
heavonearth abstains @17:31
motbob abstains @02:02
ecomania abstains second vote @02:33
I was looking a lot of the trends that take place in the voting for the first three days (it took long, so I don't want to do day 4 right now). I was going to write up an analysis of each day and how mafia clearly shifted their focus to protect their players (I stopped marking known mafia red, but look at how they shifted their votes--sometimes cunningly).
Based on VOTING PATTERNS ALONE for the first three days, bockit looks somewhat suspicious, as does scaramanga on the first day. However, and again, this is based on voting patterns alone, the following people are appear to be mafia:
1.) infundibulum
2.) chaoser
3.) lenwe
4.) pyrr
Pyrr voted quite stupidly and at the worst times which is why he made the list.
I would lynch chaoser tonight.
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Also, the following is a PM foolishness sent to me as a "last word" kind of thing if he were to die:
I sent this to Pyrry as well, just my thoughts.
Alright here's the grand PM incase I die tonight.
GoodWill: Did not vote for ydg (when we killed TruthBringer) at the last second. Although his vote would have not killed ydg, he would've made it closer. Probably not mafia. Although he has not posted at all.
Chaoser: Voted for ydg (one of the last to do so). Based on his random posting which has not contributed anything, I suspect him for mafia.
Chezinu: Along the same lines as Chaoser, I highly suspect him of being mafia as well.
Falcynn: I know you probably think he's mafia, but he hasn't made any suspicious votes besides ydg. He followed up on his ecomania vote yesterday. I still think he might be a blue role. His activity this game does not match up with his previous games as well. I'd try PMing him and see if you can bait him to say anything. At the very least, I'd hold off on killing him now.
Storrzerg: I had a very random PM discussion with him, and he seemed townie, although our discussion was not long. He does not seem to follow the voting trend, I'd list him as not mafia at this point.
Clasic: Has had very random votes and half the time has not voted at all. Except for the election, I'm assuming all the mafia voted. He has not posted anything. Suspicious, but I'd hold off on killing him for now.
Faronel: Has made very few posts. Strikes me more as a townsperson afraid to contribute then a mafia. Could be wrong.
Lenwe: Not sure what to think. His votes are non mafia like (but he could be a mafia spreading out the votes). He has made posts in the thread, and has followed up on whatever he said. Has made random accusations throughout the game (Falcynn, BWdero). Seems more townie to me.
HeavOnEarth: After the first two days I was certain he was not mafia. Since he has been relatively inactive, I'm thinking he's a blue role. He doesn't want to say anything so he can stay under the radar. I'd try PMing him as well.
iLoveKT: Has not made a single post. Based on voting patterns, definitely suspect. L accused him as well (although this was at the same time L accused me and BC).
BWdero: Inactive all game. voted for TruthBringer at a crucial time (I think). Has not voted in the past two rounds. more importantly, did not vote during the BC,ecomania,Kuja lynch. This was definitely an important vote, if he was mafia I'd be really suprised that he did not vote. I'd say he's clean for now.
Malongo: Made a strange post about how he's not mafia after BC turned up green. I'd suggest you go read it carefully as it might reveal something (I'm not sure though). Did not vote during elections. Voted for TruthBringer. I'm actually going to call him out as the other angel. People say he's a bad player, I think it's true as well, his BC rant was just him being dumb. All game, he has advocated voting rain and has continuously talked about angel and angel saves. That's probably the give away. I'd consider PMing him. This leads me to say that:
Bockit: Lynch him over malongo. BC accused them both. I highly doubt that both of them are mafia. It seems more likely Bockit is mafia and jumped on the BC bandwagon after Malongo's post. The only thing is that I still think Bockit is clean (or at least you should wait for lynching him). His votes have nearly all checked out (except for jumping on BC).
iNfuNdiBuLuM: Did not vote yesterday. he's another mystery to me, I'd just leave him alone for now.
I know I forgot people but whatever. My opinion says to go after Chaoser and Chezinu. The thing is to see if there are going to be bandwagon votes (this is why I thought Kuja was innocent). And btw I'm still sure scarmanga is assassin. Just leave him alone for now.
Another key thing is to start PMing people and see if you can bait them or figure anything out. There are definitely good candidates to consider.
One other thing to consider based on yesterday's vote, is that the mafia should be spreading out. Based on that fact, there should be mafia under motbob's vote. The only people under there that could be mafia are:
iLoveKT and Bockit. (Ecomania is also in that list).
I don't think the mafia would let a vote check return 1 under any person. Now that I think about this, iLoveKT and Bockit are probably good lynches. Accusing Bockit is also a good idea because he's somewhat active so you can get him to talk. This is how I knew motbob was guilty after I accused him, based on how he reacted. This may be a good starting point for the next day.
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See, I think that's the vote explained after the fact. I don't think you were thinking when you voted for him. I think you logged onto Tl.net and found a PM from a couple hour earlier in your mailbox from a mafia buddy telling you to vote for ydg. You failed to notice the time stamp, nor did you notice that your vote did not mean much at the time. You joined your IRC channel or MSN chat and were scolded by the other mafia members. You came up with the above story.
Does that sound about right?
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y'know what, I have an interesting proposal (take it seriously).
How about you look about at your own behavior (posting style and content) an then take a look at all the clues. Then, write up a post persuading the town that you're mafia. From that post, I will be able to determine whether you're guilty or not.
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If you think about it enough, I'm sure you could come up with a few answers yourself.
And scary, from where did that come? (Referencing this: Guys, fuck this
dont listen to lucas hes a dick head and most likely mafia
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hmmm, we suck at this don't we? Bockit better be mafia now. :/
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On July 15 2009 12:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Who all has received this pm about malongo and chaoser?
I did.
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