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Mornin' guys. Just read through the first things that have appeared - interesting.
The title of the painting is "Red Dawn" for reference. The artist is Cathy Jamison, and she's currently in Atlanta. I dunno if this would mean much, I'm new to the game (I followed the last few games, but not hardcore), but I figured it would be worth mention among everything else that comes up.
For those like me who needed a definition for "crepuscular",
Wikipedia: Crepuscular is a term used to describe some animals that are primarily active during twilight, that is at dawn and at dusk.
Usage of the word creep: "Behind Pyrrhuloxia, a figure crept closer." "The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife."
Possibly points to Zerg icons, as someone said.
Zerg Icon Users:
- Foolishness
- Jayme
- Crate
- Shikyo
- Wurm
- So no fek
- SugiuraMidori
- therapy
- teks
- bwdero
Erlend Loe & L
Teks you raise some suspicions here because you are a Loe fan, but there is truth in that afawk, Pyrry wouldn't know that. I think jimtudor is going a bit too far on the picture, but it's something... I dunno though.
Shikyo, I think going off of "I doubt the others would dare to post too much without discussing with the ones who are asleep." is going to work here, because this is a new game. That leaves a lot of wild cards for us.
I won't vote for a mayor who is going to lynch an inactive because like someone else said, an mafia can just echo other people to stay alive, while we risk just killing ourselves. There are a lack of solid clues, but we still have some solid things working here. A couple people come up in multiple clue hits (Teks, Jayme) and depending on what others see come up, we might be able to actually nail one of these guys right off.
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My main problem with lynching an inactive is we're not going on anything whatsoever. If we lynch someone who is active but we think a day 1 clue might point to them, then at least if it fails to be red we can say we were going off of something. we're not just taking a complete stab in the dark.
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I do agree that mafia will most likely try and get someone in office though.
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I'm also waiting to see more people running for office before I vote.
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It's definitely worth keeping track of all these things even if they seem wild now, it may all come together at one point, and best to be prepared.
On May 19 2009 00:51 teks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 00:47 chaoser wrote: Like i said before, the fact that so MANY clues are being pointed at someone seems kinda weird (horn, glass breaking, slump all "point" to iLoveKTF) Perhaps only one of those clues point to him. The hard thing about this game is that most people are new so there's hardly any behavior analysis to go off of =[ Yeah, it's not very likely that they are all valid clues pointing to the same person, it would make things too easy for a day 1 clue imo. But for each possible clue the chance that one of them is real increases, and this is something we should keep in mind when voting, seeing how he IS running for office (although he mentioned that he didn't check his role before nominating himself).
This is Mafia. He could be lying. We never know.
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On May 19 2009 04:37 Shikyo wrote: Could you please tell me the reason why you are against lynching inactives so much? You seem like an intelligent person, and it seems like you've been following the last few Mafia games. You should know how important activity is for the town, and how lynching inactives nearly always helps the town somehow.
You also should know that there's a good chance of hitting a Mafia by lynching an inactive. So how come you are so strongly against lynching inactives, despire what you've seen and learnt in the past Mafia games? I would love to hear something about this from you.
I was against it (not as much as it seemed) because I thought that this game might sway a bit because of noobie influence. However, I see that we're having inactivity again, so I pretty much rescind that statement.
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On May 19 2009 05:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 05:16 Shikyo wrote: Oh yes, I forgot. Pyrr, is it too much work if you had links on the front page for every day and every night, just like Chuiu did in his last game? It's incredibly useful and convenient, so if it's not too troublesome, it'd be great. Or were you going to only include them in the OP? That works too, I just think it'd be useful when trying to find certain posts that happened at a certain time. I'll do it if someone tells me how to link to a post instead of just a page. Or am I supposed to just link to the page?
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/30167
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Let me begin with saying my posts will normally be spread out, and I'll try and be as brief but informative as possible in them, unlike my posts this morning. I've got 3 broken fingers so typing is never fun. Also know that, even though I'm east coast USA, I'm pretty much a night owl. I'll often post after midnight est.
Anyways, onto the game.
I voted for jimtudor as my first choice because I felt he brought a bit more to the table than Shikyo/iLoveKTF. iLoveKTF's only thing was lynching an inactive, no end game plan, and Shikyo's inexperience didn't play to my fancy. Shikyo is the stronger of the two for sure, but compared to jimtudor, with the minimal complete inactivity we have thus far, I think clue analysis is going to be a required skill, and Shikyo even admitted that this wasn't his strong point. It's not mine either, but I'm not running for mayor/sheriff.
Due to the influx of new candidates, I'm going to change to abstaining until I see more info.
We do have a few inactives, and some who voted. I'd like to see them post why they did.
RaYnE - why did you vote for Shikyo? You haven't echoed off in here yet, so I'm definitely curious. Looks like bandwagoning here, but it could be honest. epicdoom - why abstain right off the bat? Again, you have yet to sound off in here, but this strikes me as peculiar.
Shikyo, I hate to echo everyone, but the seemingly bandwagon voting so far does raise some suspicions, as you probably even realized. You do seem to have a good grasp of things, but you've also resorted to insulting the one person who raised a question about you. Not the way to win the hearts of people. We should be objective about everyone we are considering for elected offices, these hold a lot of power.
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Shikyo wrote: Hmmm... if a vigi announces their hit in the thread and then hits a green or blue, nothing happens, no one sends them any roles, and they'll essentially be a normal townie, and thus not important for mafia to kill. If vigi hits a red, then he'd become the confirmed townie. There's just the problem of mafia killing him the same night, right after he kills the red... So maybe this plan needs some work. Maybe if he just announced he was going to hit someone that night, and if a red is hit, we should still know who that was. That way mafia doesn't know if he's worth lynching, and his vigi hit would still get through, assuming he sent it before announcing, and assuming that the earlier an action is sent, the more priority it gets. Also, vigis should be hitting only prime suspects, so I doubt that a medic would protect anyone they were supposed to hit. I'm still kind of unsure about this, though.
I think the biggest problem with this is, if the vigi doesn't hit a red, we're screwed. We used our vigi and then we also didn't get a confirmed townie, and we really can't without using rolechecks and dts. Every plan is going to have holes, we just need to figure out how to patch them up.
Also, I think Zeks is a solid platform for mayor, especially with Shikyo being a virtual shoe-in for Sheriff.
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Dammit, I'm late. -_-
If we move to lynch an inactive again, I'd like to see clazziquai be part of our options. His lack of posting is seriously raising suspicions for me, considering he's been in prior games. He is somewhat inactive early in other games, but this one seems different - he's been red in one game before and he had a similar streak. Also, he bandwagoned Shikyo and in Mafia 2, he bandwagoned 1st vote, only to end up on some bandwagons later, but early votes. There isn't much clue analysis on him, granted (we only have slumping/Sea.Really for him), so obviously we must wait until day 2 clues come out, but I wanted to make sure we don't make this an oversight.
Congrats to the two elected, and although I was alone with voting for Zeks, I do think we have two solid office members. I'm waiting on the day 2 clues to post more, but I'll be around to actively discuss things throughout the night (OSL FTW).
Sucks I can't update my OSL Ironman stuff
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On May 20 2009 16:34 teks wrote:
How many people do we want on our medic list? 4? 6? more?
In my opinion, 6 is a good sized medic list, as it has mafia on their toes. If we're 3 medics + 3 non-protected, then they have to guess and take a calculated risk on who to hit, or hit someone who isn't a major deal for us to lose and leave a clue.
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Gah forgot mine. :p
My list as of now would be:
- vx70GTOJudgexv (if you all approve?)
- teks
- Crate
- zeks
- jimtudor
- iLoveKTF/BWDero (interchangable afais)
I value experience here and iLoveKTF has 3 games experience. Jimtudor has 4, as does BWDero. The others have been providing for the game throughout, and I've been on other lists so I took the liberty of including myself (selfish, I know )
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Key word in my statement was if we move to lynch an inactive. Obviously, clue analysis is going to be key, but if we have nothing to work with and we need to go for an inactive again, I was throwing something out there, only because I arrived home too late to push my sway on that one. I think all of it rides on the clues and what we get from them.
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On May 20 2009 17:23 omG.[RaYnE] wrote: I don't mind whoever is gonna be the medics.. just make sure at least one is hot so If ever I get killed it's a win-win situation :D
No edits. -_-
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On May 21 2009 03:36 clazziquai wrote: Sorry that I haven't posted. Can anyone give me a head's up of what's going on right now? The new secret Mafia forum makes me not go there a lot. I bookmarked it though and am good to go!
JeeJee is Sheriff Shikyo is mayor. We lynched therapy. He flipped green.
Right now, we're discussing medic lists and double lynches.
BTW - we can double lynch tomorrow from my understanding (Day 3) and I think we should vote to do that today (Day 2) when it starts.
From Pyrrhuloxia's original post:
Double Lynch
Usable two times per game, the town lynches two people instead of one. This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is activated by voting for it in addition to a player (or players if a double lynch is currently activated). The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 40 players voting then the town needs 21 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be voted on starting Day 2. Double lynches may be used on consecutive days. Players cannot place all of their votes on one player when a double lynch is in effect.
Day 3 will yield even more clues, etc etc. But because (from my understanding) we have to vote the day before to do it, then we'll have to go in semi-blind, ie, not knowing what the clues will yield the next day, anyways. I think the double lynch can be a big plus for us this early.
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On May 21 2009 06:06 Koopie wrote: I agree, definitely end in your night actions if you haven't already. Also, Shikyo... Why is Jimtudor on your Medic List, if I may ask?
I can definitely think of someone else who is more important. Just wondering.
Care to share? As far as I saw, the only suspicion on jimtudor was he ran and there was some bandwagoning, but the same could be said for Shikyo as well in that case. Granted, he's an elected, but medic lists were popping up before the elections ended and no one was like "Why is Shikyo on the list?". jimtudor's activity really doesn't concern me personally, because there are even less active people with more pointing at them (Jayme, anyone?).
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Pyrry said there were 8 hours left about 6 hours ago, and he was gonna take a 5 hour nap.
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Why the back of Softer's neck?? Hmmm...
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I've got a lot to add here, bear with me.
his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground - I know he was on a few medic lists, but teks has a picture of a duck "flying" through the air with a rope (which could be used to whip someone). This isn't the first potential clue we've linked to teks, we've also had Zerg (creep), Norway (Erlend Loe). I personally don't think he's a lynch suspect yet, but we should keep an eye on him.
Regarding the sneaking/silent motif - we're getting more signs pointing to Jayme if it's behavioral. Also cats creep. That also puts the Zerg (creep) and the Crepuscular (Cat in profile pick) pointing to him. Also, note that jimtudor said "I wonder who could it be at this hour" signifying it was early, as he was getting ready. Cats are up early. Either that, or with softer it said it was dark, also "cat" hours. Also, Jayme means "He who supplants". Supplant = trip up/cause to stumble.
I did some more background on clazziquai. His name is a Korean indie fusion band, which doesn't help us tonight really (except the creeping theme), but that would tie into the initial "sounding a horn that would not be heard in time." clue and he had the "slumping" clue pointed at him too (#1 Sea.Really fan in sig).
Shikyo got a bit of attention in that he had had tudor on his medic list under some scrutiny, but that's about it.
Some small things I noted (probably nothing but I'm wired on caffeine right now): whip - wurm's sig "I know where my towel is" (Locker room antics, whip with a towel). creeping - so no fek's sig "I lurk tl.net" lurk/hidden etc running - sugiuramidor's sig - "Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life." running night - Ra.Xor.2's sig - Mentions a lot about light and dark, being afraid of light (lurking/mafia afraid to post in day?)
Back of the neck still is haunting me for some reason...
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Clarification of above post:
"His name is a Korean indie fusion band, which doesn't help us tonight really (except the creeping theme)" - meaning he was just laying low so far.
sorry guys
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I'm for Jayme and I'm also for using the double lynch on Day 3. We have 2. They can be used on consecutive days. however, the math for this game's timetable turned out to be like, 5 days. We don't want to hold on to it too long, because even with only 2 out of 3 going down tonight, we didn't do anything yesterday to lessen mafia KP. We lost one blue and two greens so far, we need to start making good decisions and the first will be a double lynch tomorrow.
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the math meaning worst case scenario, which we're heading down right now.
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On May 21 2009 15:01 crate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 14:57 Phelix wrote: Possibility of a Veteran being hit is unlikely, since Pyrr would post who would got hit. Where do you pull this from? The rules do not say that at all. The veteran himself would be notified but I don't think there would be a public announcement of the hit.
This. It's never said that it's announced, and from what I've seen, I don't think I've seen it announced either.
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On May 21 2009 14:56 crate wrote: I am not going to comment on who I think we should vote out just yet.... Inactivity is, like I said, a big red flag for me right now.
Also I apologize for my veritable eyesore of a post above.
Well Jayme has been inactive as well, and I linked that in a bit too.
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I noticed that, because I can't update my OSL Iron Man stuff for the duration of my mafia life.
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On May 21 2009 15:32 ydg wrote: What was his original profile?
Completely blank afair. Checking. Yep, totally empty.
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On May 21 2009 15:33 iLoveKTF wrote: add:
So no fek, I think he meant Koopie changed his prof after the game started?
Yeah he changed it after the game started. But ydg was trying to draw a clue from koopie's prof, which had been updated.
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It was updated recently. Game started on May 18th, Koopie posted this:
" Koopie United States. May 21 2009 15:20. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote Link You may want to update mine. =P"
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On May 21 2009 15:35 So no fek wrote:Though, I guess adding it couldn't be a bad thing, as it would be more clues to go on. If he actually didn't change any content (remove, rather), then I don't think it's a big deal. It would just give Pyrr more to go off of, however, it's still a rule infraction. And it looks suspicious. The only reason I could see someone adding to a profile after a game started, from a blank profile, would be a mafia trying to add some random crap, so he hopefully doesn't have an easy to guess clue based off his name.
This crossed my mind, but I don't think it is enough to go off of right yet. We'll see though. Definitely flagged themselves, for sure.
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Like I said, I don't think you really are a suspect at this point, but I want to be open minded and objective about things.
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Regarding the vote, if you have a doubt about voting for Jayme, please express your concerns here first before you randomly vote for someone else so we can address it ourselves. Also, we're trying to get the double lynch so we can get it out there BEFORE we run out of time.
Waiting for the elected officials to put out monster sized posts.
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On May 21 2009 21:01 EsbenPM wrote:Hmm, guess i should adress the clues crate links to me. Basically my name can link me to anyone named Esben (Even myself since it's my RL name ), and since there are a lot of people with the name, picking one and trying to link clues with that name just seems a bit weak to me. I know that if you go to wiki and type in Esben he is the first to come up (Checked it when crate brought it up), but i still think that if pyrr were to make a clue like that he would choose a significant Esben (if there is one) and not just whoever came up first in a search (I have never heard of this guy despite being a dane, so i doubt anyone else in this game knows him). On top of that i think the fairy tale link is arround the same level of Darkwing Duck having a whip and teks (Forcing clues onto a person, when you are most likely missing the real point of the clue). But nice to see people putting an effort into clue analysises and finding all these connections. As for the lynch i agree that Jamie is our strongest suspect (He has acted a bit suspicious and have clues linked to him), but i like the idea of having a vigi take him out, and see if we can find a similar strong suspect for the lynch, and maybe nail two mafias in one blow. Since this would make it possible for us to lower the mafia KP for night 3, assuming we suceed with both lynches. It also makes sure that our vigi hits don't go to waste, meaning mafia kills the vigis before they are used.
My only concern with relying on a vigi hit is if the vigis are inactive, then we have a problem and we'd end up with him (Jayme) running off scott free for a night. I'd rather put him in the lynch and have a vigi go for our second strongest suspect.
Also, did we ever decide on A) Confirmed townie plan B) If vet got hit/prot happened last night, claiming it?
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Should we be altering/reconstructing medic lists for tonight?
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On May 22 2009 02:46 chaoser wrote: no one really besides me has made a case for double lynch. what do you think about it?
+ Show Spoiler [Earlier Argument] +On May 21 2009 14:25 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm for Jayme and I'm also for using the double lynch on Day 3. We have 2. They can be used on consecutive days. however, the math for this game's timetable turned out to be like, 5 days. We don't want to hold on to it too long, because even with only 2 out of 3 going down tonight, we didn't do anything yesterday to lessen mafia KP. We lost one blue and two greens so far, we need to start making good decisions and the first will be a double lynch tomorrow.
Like I said before, that's all I can add onto this. We have until Day 6 to pretty much win, and we don't want to just hold on to these things. They are there, we should use them. Granted we don't know what Day 3 will bring, but we have several leads and it's not like lynching Jayme would end all of them, so we should make progress tomorrow. We also have the two vigis who can now hit. My advice to them would be lay low tonight. We really don't have another solid lead, and there's no way to really safely "confirm" it, especially if the person doesn't flip red, and we're only sold on one doing that tonight so far.
I'm also with Shikyo that DTs should NOT rolecheck zeks tonight. There is too high of a GF risk at this moment in time.
Aside from that, let's just keep moving in on the Jayme lynch, we still have over 24 hours left on that.
BTW - I'm going to be semi-AFK this entire weekend until Monday. I'll have limited internet access at our hotel, but I'm not sure if it's wireless. If it is, I'll be able to post during "hawk" hours a lot, if not I'll be able to post once or twice each day and vote.
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On May 22 2009 03:22 Shikyo wrote: I would like to present you with another suspect: motbob.
He basically only posted twice, asking for BWdero's profile picture and ran for Sheriff, and hasn't posted since. In his Sheriff post he promised high activity. Why isn't he being as active as he should be if he wasn't elected? Why did he abstain from voting?
That salesman clue indeed could refer to his quote "Join Teamliquid Whatpulse Team!", and I don't think it's as weak as you would think, because I don't see anything else in anyone else's profiles resembling anything like trying to get something sold. That's the only thing I could connect to him, though. He still seems suspicious, and might be worth considering for tomorrow.
Good catch, I was wondering where he had gone. He seems to be bandwagoning as well in the votes today. Last time he just abstained wholly, which I found rather peculiar myself, but eh.
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I'm concerned you posted that because now I'm wondering if you're a blue, and that's going to hint off mafia, possibly forcing a prot or a incarc on you tonight. Overall, I think that was a move that should get you on your "stupid players" list. *shrug*
Regarding Shikyo, he did have a lot of support and some was certainly bandwagoning, but we are all suspicious of everyone. I expect a certain amount of people to be suspicious of me, and I'm shocked there have been 0 claims for me to defend.
Crate - you voted for Ra.Xor.2. Why? We have seen 3 VERY weak clues leading to Ra.Xor.2 (one being my own, that was a paranoia thing - everyone's out to get you kind of clue). If you're trying to avoid bandwagoning, just be informed, but if you have a legitimate reason for it, don't be like "I want you guys to figure it out yourself" that's not what this game is about. You're only harming us by holding out.
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Ok I can see based on his posts why your suspicious now, but still, these things need to be explained. We win as a town, we lose as a town, and unless you're a mafioso, you should be willing to let us in on everything we need to know.
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On May 22 2009 05:01 crate wrote: I still have more to post later and there are still two obvious post subjects that will be covered by the end of day 2, by me if no one else steps up.
This is what I mean. Stop holding out, if it could sway our decision the right way, then tell us now.
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On May 22 2009 06:15 crate wrote:And I guess I will also lay out my suspicions for Ra.Xor.21. He is inactive due to finals (or claims to be), only possibly skims the thread ... points out clues that we have already seen and discounted, no new clue analysis 2. He says he is almost 100% sure either Jimtudor or JeeJee is mafia. This doesn't sit right with me since I've seen nothing from either of them apart from just running for office. Then again, the timing is stupid for a mafia accusation. 3. Show nested quote +Ra.Xor.2 wrote: Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election. This is really stupid and he got called on it right away. 4. The clue I linked to the book in his profile, like I said. My reasons for voting to lynch him: 1. I don't want Jayme to be lynched with no competition so I threw another suspicious name out there right away to make people think. If we just all agree to lynch Jayme we get no information from the day, which is bad in the long term regardless of Jayme's alignment. 2. Raxor hasn't contributed much so far and is maybe trying to hide in the not-quite-inactives; his clue analysis has been repeating stuff others have said (either trying to make himself look useful, trying to make the town focus on something wrong, or just not reading the thread) so even if he does flip towny we don't lose much. 3. Jayme's defense didn't ring alarm bells in my head, though I'm certainly not convinced that Jayme is a bad lynch choice. 4. I want to hear Raxor's defense so I can get a better handle on him: is he just not reading the thread or is he really red?
Fair enough. I know I've seized a bit of a gung-ho take the lead role, but I just want to see this town not fall for foolish things. I know bandwagoning is bad, but I think a blind vote with no justification is just as bad.
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dammit I keep forgetting no edits lol. I'm always a click first, edit later poster in the regular forums.
Anyways, I do agree Ra.Xor.2 is a bit suspicious as well, but he didn't set off the alarms that Jayme set off. Hell I rank Clazziquai a higher threat than Ra.Xor.2 as well as a few others, so I was completely shocked to see this come up in a vote with no mention of it.
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On May 22 2009 07:20 Koopie wrote: Definitely sorry for the profile changes... That was very stupid on my behalf. Anyways, some minor analysis, starting with vx70GTOJudgexv.
First, you changed your vote two times. You went from Jimtudor, to Abstain, to zeks.
Then you were against voting inactives and you suddenly changed your mind when Shikyo asked you about it. Then you were all for voting against clazzi, who has some very minor clue analysis pointed out. Although clazzi has been posting more outside of this thread than actually in it. I would be alright with this if you were for voting a more likely inactive player, like Jayme. This just seems like a shot in the dark for me that doesn't make too much sense when stacked upon other options.
A quote from you: "Fair enough. I know I've seized a bit of a gung-ho take the lead role, but I just want to see this town not fall for foolish things. I know bandwagoning is bad, but I think a blind vote with no justification is just as bad."
And now you ARE for voting Jayme... which seems to be the bandwagon vote. Okay. Although I definitely agree with lynching Jayme, it just seems odd that you're bouncing around everywhere.
Yes, I changed my vote twice in the mayor vote. I voted for jimtudor because I voted prematurely, before JeeJee/zeks/etc put in their bids. Then I saw them put in their bids. So I changed to abstain in case voting closed before I got a chance to read their proposals. Then I got to read them. I felt Zeks was best then I finally cast my final ballot.
I started off against an inactive because I didn't think it would be the right thing to do with this newbie game, because I figured we might see some blues lay low. It turns out it just seemed (on the surface) to be the same as other games, just with noobies. Clazzi I did some background on, and it seemed like similar to his other game he played here on TL where he was mafia.
I started the "bandwagon" for Jayme on this lynch. I said to people, "Vote for Jayme." I'm not "bandwagoning" like you think I am.
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On May 22 2009 10:14 crate wrote:Ok so I went through the voting from yesterday and here is the tally of every vote sorted by candidate then by time Day 1 Voting + Show Spoiler +Shikyo teks (23:46 18th) softer (3:50 19th) Knutti (3:54 19th) EsbenPM (4:11 19th) l10f (6:37 19th)
so no fek (7:00 19th) (to JeeJee) Pawsom (9:29 19th) omG.[RaYnE] (10:06 19th) clazziquai (3:30 20th) Therapy (6:35 20th) (from abstain) Jimtudor (10:58 20th) (from zeks)
Jimtudor
vx70GTOJudgexv (6:43 19th) (to abstain) Phelix (7:27 19th) wurm (11:49 19th)
The_Master (15:13 19th) (to JeeJee) chaoser (1:51 20th) Foolishness (4:06 20th)
iLoveKTF
Foolishness
JeeJee BWdero (4:23 19th) ydg (5:07 19th) iLoveKTF (10:47 19th) Jayme (13:23 19th) Ra.Xor.2 (5:19 20th) crate (5:29 20th) zeks (6:17 20th) (from abstain) The_Master (7:18 20th) (from Jimtudor) so no fek (9:59 20th) (from Shikyo) Koopie (10:28 20th)
zeks vx70GTOJudgexv (20:47 19th) (from abstain from Jimtudor)
Jimtudor (2:23 20th) (to Shikyo)
Abstain Shikyo (23:56 18th) JeeJee (9:38 19th) epicdoom (9:59 19th)
vx70GTOJudgexv (17:12 19th) (from Jimtudor; to zeks) motbob (20:05 19th)
Therapy (0:19 20th) (to Shikyo)
zeks (4:33 20th) (to JeeJee)
no vote Adriix33 sugiuramidori Vote changes (chronological order; reasoning alongside if I could find any): + Show Spoiler +vx70GTOJudgexv (from Jimtudor to abstain) reason: new candidates, temporary
vx70GTOJudgexv (from abstain to zeks) reason: best platform
zeks (from abstain to JeeJee) reason: gut feeling to trust JeeJee over Jimtudor (?)
Therapy (from abstain to Shikyo) reason: zeks and JeeJee proposed lynching him
The_Master (from Jimtudor to JeeJee) reason: character role post. Says he might support Shikyo more but is voting for second-in-command; timing right after some suspicion of Jimtudor's "bandwagon" voters
so no fek (from Shikyo to JeeJee) reason: JeeJee's role-helper post
Jimtudor (from zeks to Shikyo) reason:"Changed my vote to Shikyo as I feel he is the strongest candidate with the best plan that has a chance at top office." I do not feel up to trying to make connections just yet so here are the facts I could find in what I think is a far easier to peruse format.
Good records to have.
About Jayme, trust me, we also have other people in mind. Granted we're not as vehement about them, but I've got ideas about other people possibly based on behavior. Like I said, I think clazziquai is a red, and we'll see with Day 3 possibly, depending on clues. There are others under suspicion. Ra.Xor.2, for instance. Motbob, as well. There are people we're all looking towards, however right now most of us feel most confident in Jayme.
Also, a medic list:
[b]- iLoveKTF
- vx70GTOJudgexv (subject to all yours' approval)
- crate
- zeks
- ydg
- teks
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+ Show Spoiler [# of Posts by Player] +iLoveKTF - 23 chaoser - 19 pawsom - 7 Foolishness - 19 omG.[RaYnE] - 1 clazziquai - 1 motbob - 2 Jayme - 4 crate - 33 Shikyo - 45 wurm - 7 zeks - 19 adriix33 - 0 so no fek - 18 ydg - 5 SugiuraMidori - 2 vx70GTOJudgexv - 45 Ra.Xor.2 - 8 The_Master - 9 EsbenPM - 11 teks - 34 Knutti - 1 JeeJee - 25 Koopie - 7 l10f - 26 phelix - 7 BWdero - 10 epicdoom - 0 + Show Spoiler [Sorted Values] + High-to-Low Shikyo 45 vx70GTOJudgexv 45 teks 34 crate 33 l10f 26 JeeJee 25 iLoveKTF 23 chaoser 19 Foolishness 19 zeks 19 so no fek 18 EsbenPM 11 bwdero 10 The_Master 9 Ra.Xor.2 8 Pawsom 7 wurm 7 Koopie 7 phelix 7 ydg 5 Jayme 4 motbob 2 sugiuramidori 2 omG.[RaYnE] 1 clazziquai 1 Knutti 1 adriix33 0 epicdoom 0
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BTW - a) those numbers were right up until I posted that. I refreshed quickly. b) We have 1 probably mod-kill in Adriix33, for the record.
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On May 22 2009 12:32 Foolishness wrote: Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...
And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything.
If you're gonna quote, quote correctly. Many people said we should go off of day 1 clues, which we're not. The same people said we should wait for day 2 clues. We also happened to pick someone who's behavior seems sketchy as well.
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Softer seems like he was just a random mafia kill tbh. Maybe just mafia hitting someone they knew was bound to be unprotected. <100 posts overall, no experience, only a handful of input here, but he looked like he wasn't going to lurk as an inactive.
Regarding Jayme or not:
No one else is providing convincing arguments as to anyone else we should be lynching.
Foolishness said:
Jayme occurred 3 times in SugiuraMidori's post...what a suprise. I don't know about you guys, but I liked to be reminded of everything that's already been talked about, so let's keep up the good work in posting the same thing over and over again.
On that note, Shikyo needs to die, and Jayme is clearly innocent. But please don't let me stop anyone from bandwagoning
You wanna stop the "bandwagon"? Tell us more why you think Shikyo should be lynched, aside that from a lot of people voted for him. Yes there was obviously a bandwagon there, I realize this, but that doesn't necessarily throw mafia on him, otherwise we should probably double lynch the mayor AND sheriff tomorrow if that's all you've got.
One thing that's confusing me about the people who are accusing Shikyo because jimtudor was on the medic list is they are only accusing Shikyo. You do realize jimtudor was on other people's medic lists (including my own), right? Yet the only one they accuse of any suspicion based on that is Shikyo.
The crepuscular clue is NOT the only clue pointing to Jayme, if you read the thread you'd know that. The cat mage is most definitely being relied on, because it's about all we have from his profile. Jayme has no public profile, and a quote about python. Now his behavior is what sets off the red flags:
+ Show Spoiler [Jayme posts] +On May 18 2009 15:12 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 14:52 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not!
All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this.
I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/
edit:: Just kidding obv I'm not in this game :D Thank you mister veteran for giving us the prime example of what not to do Do not roleclaim so early, especially as a DT unless you like the idea of getting lynched immediately. P.S Nemy is my hero, go back to your vet game! On May 18 2009 17:50 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 17:03 So no fek wrote:On May 18 2009 16:25 Foolishness wrote:On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie. On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it. I know, and agree entirely. I was just supporting it, to an extent, because iLoveKTF is suggesting lynching an inactive who will be mod killed in a day anyway (effectively throwing the mayor lynch away, in the hopes of not lynching a townie/someone contributing). Lynching someone suspicious should always be done over lynching someone inactive, however, we're at a point where we don't have much to go on at all. The whole mod killing thing adds a different dynamic to this game really. Before it was okay to just lynch some inactive fool in lue of no hints because it was safe and even if you hit a blue... an inactive blue is pretty wasteful. Good for drawing fire and nothing else. The day 1 clues are completely ambiguous at best, with only the car horn seeming oddly placed for me. Well that and decaffeinated coffee.. WHO DRINKS THAT!? Day 2 would help immensely with cross checking potential, have to see when the sleepy people wake up to see how they react. Not many people around yet. On May 19 2009 08:12 Jayme wrote: What bothers me most about this bandwagon... or start of one really is that Shikyo hasn't really done anything for his platform to warrant this sort of response.
It's a game filled with newer players, a great deal of which might just wait behind the scenes and go with what popular opinion is to not get lynched. All you would really need is a few confidence votes or at least the illusion of one and you'd definitely get the surge of voting needed to bring out other people to your cause.
On May 19 2009 13:29 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 08:28 Shikyo wrote: Oh yeah, Jayme. What do you think about all the clues people are trying to link to you? I'll address this right now. What clues? The only thing I have seen even remotely linked to me is the word "creep" and my pet zergling icon. I don't need to remind you that we have at least 8 players with zerg icons playing this game. You will be rather hard pressed to validate anything based solely on that. This all being said I voted for JeeJee. His behavior analysis has always been pretty spot on and going through past games it should be blatantly obvious if he's not for the town... setting him up for a lynch down the road.
Notice how he completely sidestepped the cat clue, which had been pointed to before he made that post. Now that could be one of a few things:
1) He warranted it a weak enough clue that he didn't need to concern himself with it. 2) He didn't read the thread and see it come up. 3) It was in fact a clue and he simply had nothing to respond to it
The fact of the matter is, he's disappeard at this point from the game.
However, all I'm seeing at this point is a small group of people banding together on suspicions of Shikyo with absolutely nothing clue wise pointing his way, and who can't even get their own shit straight.
+ Show Spoiler [Foolishness - Selected Posts] +On May 22 2009 07:37 Foolishness wrote: Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on. On May 22 2009 12:32 Foolishness wrote: Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...
And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything. On May 22 2009 12:41 Foolishness wrote: Jayme has behavior? Where? He hasn't posted in such a long time...
Seems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next...
Only thing consistent there is "Kill Shikyo, because I don't trust him". There's no reasoning, just a complete flip on the fence.
Note that not posting is behavior as well btw - it's called possibly laying low.
On May 22 2009 13:24 JeeJee wrote: well, let's throw out a name like l10f. lemme pull up his history 36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5##
comments? (i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep) we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum.
Not sure I understand this completely. He voted bandwagon in the elections, he makes large arguments from small things and... votes without backing it up?
Granted that seems like it would be a mafia profile, except there's nothing else...
His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there. l10f doesn't get much either, leads to a genetic mutation that I can't understand in Google.
"A mutation in the gene for angiotensinogen, changing the leucine residue at position 10 to a phenylalanine (L10F), has been reported in a patient with proteinuric pre-eclampsia"
Pre-Eclampsia (the disease mentioned) Preeclampsia is a disorder that occurs only during pregnancy and the postpartum period and affects both the mother and the unborn baby. Affecting at least 5-8% of all pregnancies, it is a rapidly progressive condition characterized by high blood pressure and the presence of protein in the urine. Swelling, sudden weight gain, headaches and changes in vision are important symptoms; however, some women with rapidly advancing disease report few symptoms.
I see nothing there.
+ Show Spoiler [l10f's Posts] +On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote: Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] On May 19 2009 07:10 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 07:04 JeeJee wrote:On May 19 2009 06:58 So no fek wrote:On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote: Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] Bandwagon voting is never good, however, I'll agree that his campaign is the best. yeah i agree, bandwagoning must be discouraged.. especially if it's the only post you make in the thread to date. just doesn't look too good Well, I'm sure he'll end up winning at this rate. Sorry, it's my first time participating, so I don't know what to look out for yet, busy reading the last mafia game :D On May 19 2009 08:40 l10f wrote: If you're asking why I voted before I posted, I can't give anything but that I'm a newbie, and when I saw one person had the most votes, I just voted for him. I didn't know that bandwagons were bad for the town. I'll try to understand this game as quickly as possible.
P.S. I'm amazed at how some of you can make such a large arguments from minute details! On May 19 2009 09:01 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 08:48 JeeJee wrote: also, @shikyo you can also look at the game where bwdero played in and was mafia.. and also kept his posting style consistent with 'politeness' or whatever. the whole conclusion based on the language analysis part of your post pretty much falls apart there once that is taken into account, it seems.
and l10f, it's clear you're keeping up with the thread given how quickly you pop out of the woodwork when someone mentions your name, so care to elaborate on the current candidates and what you think of them? Yes, I'm watching every few minutes or so. So far it's Shikyo - 6 JeeJee - 2 Jimtudor - 2 I've read every post so far, and Shikyo seems to have great analysis in the opening message (idk what else to call it). Had I read all the posts before voting, I think my vote would have stayed. JeeJee... doesn't capitalize the first letters in his sentences. I haven't really thought much about him. Jimtudor- I think that he will be least successful as Sheriff. Not that many posts are here right now so I can't really elaborate why other than my gut feelings. So I'm for Shikyo. It looks like he's gonna win, and I'm indifferent as to who should become the mayor. On May 19 2009 09:47 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 09:40 JeeJee wrote: well, this is a smaller game by TLs standards no doubt, but in general it is actually pretty large. all depends on your point of reference Yep, the only other times I've played Mafia is with my friends during a retreat, which was with about 15-20 people. We still had very fun games, even though it might be considered "small". It really depends on from where you're seeing the number of people. On May 20 2009 06:01 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 05:49 JeeJee wrote: The recent streak of votes for jimtudor cause me to raise an eyebrow when I look at their history and the lack of jimtudor's posts lately.
That's what I thought too when I looked at the vote results so far, but it might be too soon to point fingers at people. However it's definitely something to watch out for. Show nested quote +Oh and finally, given that the mayor race is still pretty close, I fully agree with zeks' reasoning for the first lynch choice being therapy: I choose therapy.
Justification on therapy: His one post:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are: "break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..." "start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"
So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor. I also think it's a good idea to lynch the inactives (especially someone who posted just so he's not inactive) because they wouldn't be any help to the town even if they turned out to be blue or green. On May 20 2009 06:11 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 06:08 teks wrote:On May 20 2009 06:03 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: There are 7 mafia in this game. So far JeeJee is in second place with only 6 votes and Jimtudor is in third with 5 votes. I'm almost 100% sure one of the two is a mafia member and that the people voting for him are mafia. Of the two I believe JimTudor is more suspicious because most of his voters have been mostly inactive. I strongly encourage abstaintees to vote or mafia may elect a mayor with their 7 man voting power. I'm thinking the same thing. I first thought the mafia candidate was JeeJee, seeing how he was voted on by Jayme and iLoveKTF who already had connections to the possible clues, and BWdero, who was suspected by Shikyo. The latest posts from JeeJee have turned me though, I too think it's probably JimTudor who's the red one here, I might change my vote to JeeJee seeing how Shikyo basically already has secured his spot, and I think it's good that JeeJee agrees with zeks on who to lynch first. I'll wait a bit longer though. How do you think we should carry out the check on Jimtudor after JeeJee gets the mayor spot? He should definitely be checked out, but I don't know with what method. Lynch him? Role check him? On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election. So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins? On May 20 2009 07:27 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 07:14 teks wrote:On May 20 2009 07:10 The_Master wrote: My vote rested with Jimtudor since at the time I thought he was the better candidate. I changed my vote to JeeJee mostly to thank him for the wonderful post he made about in depth on the different character roles as that helps me play the game better (and it shows he knows the game at least half decently well ). Am I missing something here? Aren't you still voting on Jimtudor? And maybe you're changing vote to JeeJee because the town caught attention of Jimtudor and his voters? I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to change votes unless they're going from abstain -> someone. On May 20 2009 07:54 l10f wrote: Two more for JeeJee and he passes Shikyo for sheriff
and about my last post, it was directed towards The_Master and not teks On May 20 2009 08:44 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 08:03 teks wrote: Edit after post (whatever the abbreviation is, I can't remember it): I see you made a new post saying you're not talking to me, I10f, I didn't really think you were, but I went ahead and answered it anyway :p I heard editing posts wasn't allowed in Mafia somewhere :o On May 20 2009 08:47 l10f wrote: When is the latest that a person can vote or change his/her vote?
On May 20 2009 09:56 l10f wrote: And there are only 3 medics + sheriff + mayor. That's only 5 people that are protected what about the other two? On May 20 2009 11:06 l10f wrote: Shikyo 10 - JeeJee 10 except the vote on JeeJee came before Shikyo's, so that would mean JeeJee would be sheriff if nothing else changes. On May 20 2009 11:24 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 11:21 Foolishness wrote: Shikyo, is you putting yourself on the medic list implying that you are medic? Doesn't sound like it, but JeeJee did say that Show nested quote +It's simply what the medics themselves should've come up with (or something similar) if they followed my advice by reading the thread from mafia's point of view and deciding who to kill (and consequently, prot). which implies that he isn't a medic. On May 20 2009 12:08 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 11:59 zeks wrote: Fair enough, your defense sounds good. But why are you assuming that the mafia are more experienced than you? Mafia - any small powerful or influential group in an organization or field; clique. (dictionary.com) On May 20 2009 12:18 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 12:15 The_Master wrote:On May 20 2009 11:59 zeks wrote: Fair enough, your defense sounds good. But why are you assuming that the mafia are more experienced than you? I'm assuming that the mafia are more experienced than me since this is my first game ever (I haven't even read a full other game, but I'm working on it) and the only way they couldn't be more experienced than me is if all 7 of them have never played this game ever before either. I thought that was a pretty safe assumption. Well you're working with the townies who've played before too so I don't think it's good to assume the Mafia has more experience than we do. Irrelevent to the game - I GOT MY ZEALOT ICON! On May 20 2009 12:34 l10f wrote: Well technically, Shikyo reached the 10 votes first, then went back down, then JeeJee got 10, the Shikyo got 10, in this case, who wins? On May 21 2009 08:32 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 07:12 Shikyo wrote: iLoveKTF would be the very next person to be added on the list, so he might as well be added. 6 is a nice number, as well. Jimtudor's activity is becoming a concern, though. Still, he's an experienced player, and that's one of the reasons I have him on the list. iLoveKTF probably should be added to the list, but he still hasn't been exactly the most active person, posting mostly short posts repeating what others have said or clarifying some things said before him.
Medic list: teks zeks Jimtudor iLoveKTF vx70GTOJudgexv crate
6 seems like a good number that's not too much or too little. JeeJee's last post about the medic list is important, I suggest every medic to read it through. However, too many mindgames aren't suggested, or else an extremely important townie might be left unprotected and die because of the medics attempting to be too smart.
I think removing Jimtudor from the medic list would be too soon for the first night's list, especially since vigis can't hit yet. If he doesn't start posting more actively, though, we might have to make some changes for the medic list for the next night. As JeeJee pointed out earlier, the Mafia will just avoid the medic list if only those 6 are to be protected. Therefore I recommend that medics make their own decisions so at least SOME of the people on the list is protected to keep Mafia on their toes, but occasionally protect other possible targets besides ones on the list. This will give us the highest chances of blocking a hit from the Mafia. On May 21 2009 09:25 l10f wrote:isn't it already night? Just waiting for the night roles I think. On May 22 2009 08:02 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 04:11 crate wrote:Well good afternoon folks, I'm ready to post some stuff. I'll start with a big group of MSN logs. Koopie is green, and this is why I think so. First one quick comment though: chaoser wrote: The best people in roles of leadership are either a DT or a vet with a clean hit record (never hit yet). Disagree strongly on the DT. DTs want to stay behind the scenes and find a mouth. Best leaders are the Vet or a regular green towny, since they have no special powers that make the mafia want to kill them anyway. Here's the MSN logs: + Show Spoiler +I think this was on the second 24 hours of day 1 [22:54] Koops: *Poke* [22:54] *** Auto-response sent to Koops: I am currently away from the computer. [22:54] crate: hi [22:55] Koops: Hey. =P [22:55] Koops: I think I suck at the Mafia games, but I'm trying. >_>; [22:55] crate: dont worry, i've pinned a number of players who are clearly bad [22:55] crate: lol [22:55] Koops: Lmao [22:56] crate: i'm going back through the topic right now [22:56] crate: havent gotten to your new posts yet [22:56] Koops: ._. [22:57] Koops: And if you want to play Brawl, I think Alex and my friend Adam want to play, too. [22:58] crate: give me a little bit to finish up the mafia thread [22:58] crate: then ok [22:58] Koops: Mmk [23:00] crate: fyi, my pick for surest town-aligned player right now is iLoveKTF [23:00] Koops: Hey, me too. [23:00] Koops: I'm pretty sure everyone else, too. [23:01] Koops: My latest post is stupid and I regret, but whatever. [23:01] crate: mm, doesnt do much but add confusion imo [23:01] crate: not good [23:01] Koops: Mmhm. [23:02] Koops: Then again I haven't posted too much, so it's not like it would be hard to redeem myself. [23:02] Koops: If I would even need to. [23:02] crate: that post is the sort of post i've been noticing to pin players as bad [23:02] crate: ;p [23:02] Koops: Yes. -_-; [23:03] crate: we'll have more to go on next day [23:03] crate: i'm anticipating a quiet night [23:03] Koops: Day 2 will be more fun. [23:03] Koops: Like I said I hate Day 1. [23:03] crate: day 2 is when we really get to see how players lean --- This was yesterday: I snipped a bit of this because we talk about Brawl a lot since we were playing during part of this. [16:44] Koops: At least the town wants to protect you. [16:45] crate: so i can bounce ideas off of you [16:45] Koops: Yeah, you could. [16:45] crate: well [16:45] crate: here's my guess [16:45] crate: one of the first three candidates for the election is mafia or none of them are [16:46] crate: jeejee's timing seems too late to me for the mafia [16:46] Koops: I think Shikyo is mafia. [16:46] crate: ilovektf is clearly not mafia since he got ZERO support [16:46] Koops: Um, yeah. [16:46] crate: and shikyo has been posting lots and lots of fluff [16:46] crate: so yeah [16:46] Koops: Yep. [16:46] crate: i have him down as the most likely red too [16:46] Koops: And he was bandwagoned from the start.. [16:46] Koops: And then people changed. [16:46] Koops: Just seems like he's mafia. [16:47] crate: he's said extremely little considering the number of words he's posted [16:47] Koops: I know! [16:49] Koops: Well, fun. I figured you out. [16:49] crate: right conclusion, wrong reason [16:50] crate: lmao [16:50] Koops: Rofl. [16:55] Koops: I don't want Jimtudor protected. :| [16:55] crate: if i were mafia there is no way i'd hit him right now [16:55] Koops: I know... [16:55] Koops: It's stupid. [16:56] crate: i think most of the mafia is hiding in the >half of the players who havent said anything constructive [16:56] Koops: Well, definitely. [16:56] crate: its too easy [16:56] Koops: It's the easiest. [16:57] Koops: It blends them into a really big crowd. [16:57] Koops: That's the best possible situation. [16:57] crate: mhm [16:57] Koops: Now, if everyone were active... It would be stupid. [16:57] Koops: But that's not the case. [16:58] Koops: Yeah, he would... [16:59] Koops: Also if I was mafia, I'm sure my clues would be pretty simple to read. ;P [17:00] crate: i do not envy pyr, trying to make up clues for so many players who probably have no profile and so few posts [17:00] Koops: Yeah. [17:00] Koops: I edited my profile because of that. [17:00] crate: heh [17:00] Koops: I even put a picture in there. ;-; [17:00] crate: i see [17:00] Koops: Not of me, but yes. Lol. [17:00] crate: btw i think it's interesting how much more town-favored pyr's setup is than qatols [17:00] crate: same number of players but we have an extra vigi, medic [17:00] Koops: Yeah. [17:01] crate: same number of mafia [17:01] Koops: Honestly I want to see the town win, anyways. [17:01] crate: and sheriff is way more powerful than pardoner [17:01] Koops: Even though being on the mafia would be more exciting. [17:01] crate: my favorite role is townie [17:01] crate: actually [17:01] crate: favorite role would be veteran [17:01] crate: cause its SUPER townie [17:01] Koops: Haha. [17:02] Koops: Okay, again. If I was mafia I would not point out to you that I knew. :< [17:02] crate: i know [17:04] crate: i wonder how much the town really trusts shikyo [17:05] Koops: I know I don't. [17:05] crate: actually [17:05] crate: i guess my big thought is that being able to just look past who is posting is the best [17:06] crate: link the content to the player, not the player to the content, if you get what i mean [17:06] Koops: Yeah, I get it. [17:07] crate: and i do doubt i'm going to die tonight; i'm too obvious a target i think, and unless you're playing me really well, the mafia knows i havent really shown anything dangerous yet [17:07] Koops: Great I mispelled send in my post. [17:07] Koops: To end. [17:07] Koops: -_-; [17:07] crate: lol [17:07] Koops: crate I don't think anyone really suspects you. [17:07] Koops: But I'm sure people think you're with the town. [17:07] Koops: Just my thoughts. [17:08] crate: i have posted really nothing but facts, and a good plan is a good plan either way [17:08] Koops: Because mafia members should seem like part of the town, too. [17:08] crate: its easy to seem like part of our town [17:08] crate: dont say anything [17:08] crate: :p [17:08] Koops: =P [17:10] crate: while i'd be surprised if i die, i would be SHOCKED if you die [17:10] Koops: Yes. [17:10] crate: i really hope people dont roleclaim to shikyo [17:10] crate: or to jeejee for that matter [17:10] Koops: I KNOW. [17:11] Koops: Hopefully they look at them just the same as others. [17:11] Koops: To me they're even more suspcious. [17:11] crate: yeah [17:11] Koops: I can't type [17:11] Koops: -_-; [17:11] crate: anyone running is suspicious [17:11] Koops: Yeah. [17:11] Koops: That's what I had said before. [17:11] Koops: To silly Jimtudor. [17:11] Koops: ;_; [17:11] crate: i hope his clue analysis is as good as he claims [17:11] Koops: Who's the one that said they ran before they looked? [17:11] crate: ilovektf [17:12] crate: all the more reason to think he's not mafia, after the overwhelming show of support he got, lol [17:12] Koops: Yeah. [17:12] crate: he does have some name value; tbh his platform is comparable to jeejee but jeejee had better timing [17:13] Koops: I'd rather have ilovektf but I'd rather have JeeJee over Shikyo. So that's why I voted for him. [17:13] Koops: Wow... [17:13] Koops: I really can't type. [17:13] crate: foolishness must be town, since a mafia playing like that makes no sense [17:14] crate: the town as a whole likes shikyo [17:14] crate: so saying he's shifty at this point only makes you suspicious [17:14] Koops: :S [17:14] crate: hence no mafia would do it regardless of shikyo's alignment [17:14] crate: saying it publicly anyway [17:15] Koops: I'm just waiting for the nigt actions to be sent so we can move on. [17:15] Koops: night* [17:15] crate: heh yeah [17:15] crate: tomorrow it should get interesting [17:15] Koops: Yeah. [17:15] Koops: I really want to see who gets killed. >_>; [17:18] Koops: Aw... why do we have a big chunk of inactives? ._. [17:19] crate: new players who got townie and get bored, then mafia hide amongst them [17:19] Koops: I'd laugh if they were all mafia. [17:19] crate: i guess [17:19] Koops: Lmao. [17:19] crate: idk, i love being townie, like jeejee said [17:28] crate: oh btw now i understand that ":S" earlier; i hadnt read your post when you said it [17:28] Koops: Yes... [17:28] Koops: -_-; [17:28] Koops: It's okay, though. [17:29] Koops: Things can work in a lot of different ways if people at least begin to CONSIDER Shikyo. [17:29] crate: i think your biggest problem is the timing of that post [17:29] crate: you want to wait till day to say those things [17:29] Koops: That's true. [17:29] Koops: But if I was hit [17:29] crate: unless you have some reason to think you're going to die [17:30] Koops: It's kind of safe to say who could be mafia. [17:30] Koops: >_> [17:30] Koops: Also, it could just be me looking like I'm asking an honest question. [17:30] Koops: Who knows. [17:30] crate: you look more like a stupid townie than anything else so far to me [17:30] crate: >_> [17:30] Koops: Ahahaha. [17:31] crate: but not a really stupid townie [17:31] crate: i have a couple of those marked down [17:31] crate: they're really absurdly bad or dumb or something [17:31] Koops: I really just want to know why he put Jimtudor on the list, that's all. [17:31] Koops: There are more important people to the town. [17:32] crate: defend it like that if anyone questions your wording [17:32] Koops: He doesn't really post, and if he does... [17:32] Koops: It sucks. [17:33] crate: i hope you are town aligned and can pick up on other roles like you sniped mine [18:16] Koops: I got Shikyo to add iloveKTF. [18:16] Koops: I am great. [18:17] Koops: Even though it doesn't mean that much. [18:17] Koops: Lmao. [18:17] crate: heh [18:17] Koops: Oh well, I just wanted to redeem my stupid. [18:17] Koops: .-. [18:17] crate: it's ok; you're not the only one who's made dumb posts [18:18] Koops: Yeah, I know. Take that as you will. She's playing badly for sure, but I think she's just being stupid and I hope she'll stop being stupid soon. (One note of emphasis: don't look at who is saying what when you're reading posts. Look at what's being said, see if it makes sense/contributes anything, THEN look at who wrote it. I said this above but I know half of you aren't going to read the whole convo.) Obviously this dovetails nicely into my suspicions. I'm going to call Shikyo out for his huge volume of words with little to nothing said in them. If you want to convince me you're not a mafia trying to play the town by hiding behind lots of fluff, start making real contributions instead of repeating things that were already said and agreeing with everyone. The mayor position doesn't strike me as a real benefit to the town anyway other than keeping the mayor behind BG protection, and let me tell you I am not convinced Shikyo is worth that BG protection. Regardless of your alignment I think your fluff isn't helping the town any. (After I wrote this I saw your most recent post. Definitely a step up if your targets happen to be good). Right now my dumb players list includes Raxor, Pawsome, The_Master, Koopie (well...), and l10f. Inactives: omG.[RaYnE], clazziquai, motbob, adriix33 (didn't vote, may get modkilled after day 2), SugiuraMidori (claimed quite some time ago he'd be inactive--driving from Tuscon, but that's too long ago, also in danger of modkill), Knutti, and epicdoom My guess is probably half the mafia is among those players. Some of the stupid players are probably just being stupid because they're not reading the whole thread or have no idea what to do or just don't actually think and re-read their posts before they click the button, but even in a newbie game that will only get you so far imo. fuck i'm tired of writing for a bit I'll follow this up in a bit but I need a break from writing for now start making posts with content people there are at least two couple obvious things that people should do to contribute. I'm not going to tell you what they are though since I want to know who is actually thinking in this game and who isn't, and I'm going to do one of them myself soon if no one else does I'm not suspecting you or anything, but why are you so quick to defend Koopie? If she is playing "stupidly" like you say, it wouldn't hurt the town even if she died. (I'm totally against your opinion that she's playing "stupidly") And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players." Well, now that I got that out of the way, I also agree on Jayme AND the double lynch. At this rate, we might not last too long and we need to use the double lynches. Also, the vigis can start acting now and help us as well, as well as DT's. Also about only 2 people dying, my bet is on that they hit a Veteran. Or a medic-protected person. However, since neither the veteran or the medic is role-claiming, it was probably an inactive person that the mafia targeted. Only two people dying is a definitely good results for us, but we better start to get those mafias very soon. On May 22 2009 08:04 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 07:30 Shikyo wrote: Actually, most of the "clues" for Jayme seem to be quite weak. Especially the so much talked about "crepiscular" one; Why would the clue about a killer be in that sentence? It makes no sense. Furthermore, the clues are mostly picked from all over the posts. That doesn't make much sense either. People have been linking all kinds of movement, creeping and dark things to that cat, although they could mean so many different things, and it makes no sense to have so many clues pointing at one player. And the python being an ambushing animal seems quite far-fetched.
I'm not saying that Jayme is innocent. I'm just saying that maybe you shouldn't bandwagon for him so pointlessly, and maybe think about it for a while. The clues aren't as strong as they seem.
That being said, his behavior admittably has been relatively suspicious. Although I still have a bad feeling about all this bandwagoning. Yes, I have a bad feeling about the bandwagoning too. Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 08:01 Koopie wrote:On May 22 2009 07:37 Foolishness wrote: Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on. I definitely agree with this. Actually, I have been. Which everyone should already know. Can you tell me why you think Shikyo is a mafia? On May 22 2009 08:54 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 08:45 Shikyo wrote: Ok. With that vote, I would like to present another suspect: epicdoom. Reason is obvious, but if you want it, highly suspicious voting and he hasn't posted at all. Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!" so I don't know I'm confused On May 22 2009 08:56 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 08:51 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died. Many people have already mentioned that the other mafiaso seems sneaky so i wont go there. However, the one that killed Jim seems to be extremely brutal judging from his repeated blows to the head. This could be a reference to Chaoser (from the chaos in his name), Adriix33 (his quote says lifes a bitch. then you die.), or JeeJee (who's quote mentions fear several times). If I ever wanted to kill someone in my life (which I don't) I think I would hit them in the head, several times. It may be a clue, but in my opinion it's pretty vague. However, if it is one of those three, I believe it maybe Adriix33, because I'm 99% sure JeeJee is clean. On May 22 2009 09:02 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 09:00 Shikyo wrote:On May 22 2009 08:54 l10f wrote:On May 22 2009 08:45 Shikyo wrote: Ok. With that vote, I would like to present another suspect: epicdoom. Reason is obvious, but if you want it, highly suspicious voting and he hasn't posted at all. Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!" so I don't know I'm confused Most likely he's just a stupid mafia. There's no way a townie would act like that. And if one did, I'd want him dead regardless. So are you suggesting that you want him dead instead of Jayme?
To be honest, all I see here is a foolish townie.
However, this post has taken me the better part of the OSL. After OSL finishes, I'll grab a bite to eat and keep chipping away at different people.
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On May 22 2009 21:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:08 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there.
Actually... Apparently Britney Spears has this perfume called Believe. http://www.britneyspearsbelieve.com/As you can see as you enter the site, there are many different, flashy colors. It almost hurts your eyes. That site is also definitely trying to get something sold, so the salesman would make sense. Now, what might be the long metal bar the salesman is hitting his victim with? Oh, that's right. Britney Spears.
I think the spear is a bit of a stretch but... the rest is a really good analysis. I'll have more to come...
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For the record, while I was doing some other research:
Softer got killed by mafia.
The only major contribution softer made was the "eerily crepuscular" connection to Jayme's cat picture.
Coincidence? Maybe, but it might hold some weight.
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I haven't disappeared intentionally. Way less time here at the hotel for internet than I thought. I'll post when I can.
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Ok so... I have a SHITTON to catch up on (about 7-8 pages to be exact).
I am surprised that Koopie flipped green though. The others, I'm not really surprised by.
To read!
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Nvm tonight, I'll post later.. mad tired.
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Well, good to see we got a seemingly confirmed townie. I wish we had seen a hit from Esben as well, but it happens. Now we need to focus on getting two good lynches tonight. We also got some good clues I think from the mafia, at lesat adding to what we had.
First, we know there is one mafia who uses a knife, responsible for the deaths of Qatol and So no fek. + Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +Qatol Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow. So no fek Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest.
1. This killer uses a knife/blade 2. This killer is quiet and/or sneaky 3. This killer did NOT kill on night two or hit the medic protected player or the veteran
In Koopie's death, we had a guy impersonating someone else, and it was possibly someone that she knew. We only have that from this, except there is a small link that is possible, but it doesn't fit in with the idea that she knew this person, however I'll explain it. Koopie's killer impersonated a deliveryman to gain her trust and get into the position to kill her. Jimtudor's killer impersonated a salesman to get his door open so he could get into his home to kill him. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's possible.
+ Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +Koopie Koopie had spent years recreating her house into a scale model of Princess Peach's from Super Mario 64. She heard a knock at her giant, red front door.
"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"
The finishing touch had finally arrived, and Koopie went upstairs to watch the installation from behind the giant stained glass window that bore her image, as well as her favorite video game character's. The cannon was plopped on its stone foundation, and it's barrel moved to point squarely at the face of the "princess". "He couldn't possibly...." she thought, seconds before an artillery shell with a shark-like face blew Koopie and her home to smithereens.
jimtudor Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
1. This killer impersonated someone to gain trust/access. 2. This killer may have been known by one victim.
In EsbenPM's killing, it wasn't described very well except for the fact that his killer was shadowy and he killed Esben in one hit. Here's where I get a bit confused, as this one draws more parallels with jimtudor's killer, who also delivered blows to the head.
+ Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +EsbenPM EsbenPM had spent the first two days of the mafia invasion building a stockpile of weapons he would never use. Late during the second night, he was fiddling with the trigger locks on his various shotguns while chomping on salted peas. After dinner, he went out to his garage to check on the gun racks he had just painted. Once in his garage, he reached for the switch on the wall, but lights wouldn't turn on. A sudden rush of fear came over him, and he wished he had brought one of his guns with him, even a sidearm. He thought about trying to sneak back into the house, but, instead, he felt his way to a crowbar leaned against the wall. As his eyes adjusted to the darkness, he could see the outline of man. EsbenPM charged and swung with the crowbar, but his adversary shoved it from his hands, then swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him instantly.
jimtudor Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
1. This killer prefers blows to the head and blunt objects 2. This killer catches seemingly unsuspecting targets well off-guard (Jim thought it was odd for a knock that early, Esben didn't expect the lights to not work)
We also have softer, Pyrryhuloxia and LTT's deaths, but I don't see any parallels between them and the three we got today. I'm not going to make any accusations right now, I'd like to see some things come out in the open first. I'll be back in around 12 hours most likely.
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I'm going to wait until a few more factors to change my vote, but it is looking like a Shikyo lynch is in order. I also think we'll lose clazzi to mk tonight, but not sure.
Teks, do NOT PM that list to anyone unless you are 100% sure of their role.
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EBWOP: clazziquai won't get an mk. Just voted, so there went that plan. Still plan on waiting.
clazziquai: Care to defend any of the accusations made against yourself?
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On May 26 2009 01:52 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 01:45 crate wrote:Go for it. You think I made mistakes? I know I made mistakes. I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff. Shikyo wrote: crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia. Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such. If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here. No no no. You're getting it all wrong. Everyone is an individual. Something, someone acts stupid when they're townie, and sometimes he acts stupid when he's mafia. However, I still am apparently doing the most for the town, while the rest of the town is doing its best trying to get me killed. Come on now, 8 kills and zero clues pointing against me?
Didn't you say your nickname translates to death? So technically, 8 kills all point to you. You have no profile, we only get name clues for you.
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I totally forgot the :p after that haha. Just pointing out a technicality.
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Wow... gg guys, we're fucked.
-_-
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Hope our two medics are telepathic tonight...
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On May 26 2009 20:16 crate wrote: i think the following people are mafia:
1. iLoveKTF 2. chaoser 3. Pawsom 4. Foolishness 6. clazziquai 7. motbob 9. crate 10. Shikyo 11. wurm 15. ydg 16. sugiuramidori 17. vx70GTOJudgexv 18. Ra.Xor.2 20. The_Master 24. Knutti 25. JeeJee 27. l10f 29. phelix 31. epicdoom
teks is vigi so he's ok
lol
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On May 27 2009 05:22 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 04:27 Foolishness wrote: I see crate is back to his useless posting as usual. And your posting ISINT useless? Why would Shiyko vote for me if we were both mafia? It's not like the voting was so far off that not voting for me would have been suspicious. BTW, teks is probably mafia as well.
So....
Have you read any of this thread? Or are you just a disillusioned jackass?
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Is it wrong to pray for a hit tonight?
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I'm still baffled as to why JeeJee was in this game and not invited to the other game tbh..
Waiting for the night post, hoping to see my blood smeared on the walls.
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On May 27 2009 13:01 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 12:59 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm still baffled as to why JeeJee was in this game and not invited to the other game tbh..
Waiting for the night post, hoping to see my blood smeared on the walls. i was afk in mafia vii and you're livin' thru the night obv
Ah.
And 'tis a shame too.
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f5 f5 f5?
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Huzzah!
GG guys, town, you are pretty screwed.
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On May 27 2009 14:44 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 14:40 teks wrote:On May 27 2009 14:36 l10f wrote:
We can do it! We just have to get two mafias, and hope that Shikyo isn't one. If he is one, I believe it's too late anyway to change anything. Your call. Shikyo isn't mafia. Yet another night went by without him ordering a single hit on any of our DT's, who he knows the identity of. And no way in hell would he come up with that stupid mafia hitlist. Tbh if this is the worst town ever it's probably also the worst mafia ever. Not true! Mafia from mafia 4! Mass roleclaiming a nonexistent role is darn hard to beat.
I know I'm dead but... wow! Lololol.
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On May 27 2009 14:55 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 14:50 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On May 27 2009 14:44 Qatol wrote:On May 27 2009 14:40 teks wrote:On May 27 2009 14:36 l10f wrote:
We can do it! We just have to get two mafias, and hope that Shikyo isn't one. If he is one, I believe it's too late anyway to change anything. Your call. Shikyo isn't mafia. Yet another night went by without him ordering a single hit on any of our DT's, who he knows the identity of. And no way in hell would he come up with that stupid mafia hitlist. Tbh if this is the worst town ever it's probably also the worst mafia ever. Not true! Mafia from mafia 4! Mass roleclaiming a nonexistent role is darn hard to beat. I know I'm dead but... wow! Lololol. Was supposed to catch 1-2. Caught 8 (of 10)........
Hahahahaha.
Well on the bright side.. I can update my OSL Ironman shit!
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Rolechecks on elected officials return their office.
/zombiemode
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"The one no one caught was the use of the double-barreled shotgun, this is a reference to the "bifurcated penis" of the opossum." FML
Anyways, gg guys. There was a lot of stupid shit going on towards the end, which led me to bitch about the town and beg for the hit. In terms of the town, we all had a really bad game. I pushed Jayme's lynch way too hard, and other people pushed others too hard too. In terms of JeeJee vs. Shikyo, I can understand JeeJee's side, because a) he was a miller and b) like I said, you can't really rolecheck mayor. So I can see that, but I think he pushed it a little to hard. Both elected officials did little to nothing to stop the bandwagoning they didn't like, but w/e.
I'll probably wait a bit until Pyrry maybe does another newbie game (I hope he does) before I play again, but it was fun to finally be able to play!
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On May 31 2009 07:02 Shikyo wrote: How could anyone have known I was a miller? What =D And what about that too? I tried my best to stop bandwagoning of both Rayne and Ra.Xor.2. If no one listens... =P
Nevermind parts of my post... just woke up. =P
You had 3 votes! =P
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Our town didn't have an MVP. We all sucked.
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