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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 07:38:33
May 14 2009 07:38 GMT
#5
I think voting threads are meant to go in here.

EDIT: What a player list, should be a gg!
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 14 2009 07:47 GMT
#10
On May 14 2009 16:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
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On May 14 2009 16:38 Bockit wrote:
I think voting threads are meant to go in here.

EDIT: What a player list, should be a gg!

I'll edit my game description to put the voting thread in here.


Didn't notice that thread yet!
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 16 2009 06:49 GMT
#94
My thoughts on the election so far.

BC wants pardoner. Why? To pardon lynches where the town is blindly following some stupid bandwagon. Under normal circumstances (Games prior to this) sure, this is a completely legitimate point. However this is a veteran's game. We supposedly know better than to fall into those traps. At the very least, we know to pause when people put forward logically consistent arguments.

My point is this. BCs reason for wanting pardoner is to me, dodgy. There are obvious reasons as to why mafia would want a player in the pardoner position. I'd caution against voting for any player who specifically asks for that elected role.

On to Ver: I think if Ver achieved an elected position, based on his platform he would then have to be both active (said as much) and effective (He has a history of correct decisions and good reads). If he fails in either of those, it would to be be a significant indicator of guilt. So what I'm getting at is that if we elect Ver as mayor, he has basically put himself into the position where he *has* to be both useful and active, or we start lynching.

Keep in mind I don't think that's an amazing reason to vote for someone, but it's something I'm going to keep in mind while I wait for the other platforms.

Caller: Caller runs every election. Much the same platform each time. Nothing suspicious there that I can see.

I'm going out tonight and I'll check back tomorrow to see what has been happening before placing my vote.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 16 2009 06:50 GMT
#95
EBWOP:

At the very least, we know to pause when people put forward logically consistent arguments as to why we are bandwagoning stupidly*
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 16 2009 19:06 GMT
#152
Hahaha lucaswoj, well played

I just got back home from a crazy night of revelry and it's 5am and I'm on TL. After doing some catchup (I'm defintely going to have to read these again when I wake up) I think a good combo for town leadership would be Ace/Showtime. I'd be happy with Ver/Mynock swapping in for one of those places, but I'd really like to see Ace/Showtime in an elected position, preferrably both.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 04:33 GMT
#262
Ugh. Hungover. I can't believe I posted this morning. Reading through now, preliminary thoughts are that we shouldn't let the nemy roleclaim distract us from the elections.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:04 GMT
#269
Nemy, best way to prove your legitimacy is if you post these pms.

If as you say, mafia were onto you, then they know about the pms already and as such, it hurts you in no way to release them to the town (And the fact that you're already fucked because you roleclaimed dt on day 1).

I'm going to pm you now to direct you to this post. If you can't provide these pms which supposedly show you to be found out already within a reasonable time, then I have serious reservations about the legitimacy of your roleclaim.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:15 GMT
#271
I'm more wanting to see how long it takes him to post them. Ie if he tampers or fabricates them.

I've pm'd him too so he knows about this.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:16 GMT
#274
EBWOP: To clarify, I don't care at all what the content is. I just know that if he has these pms he can simply copy paste them into the thread.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:49 GMT
#285
I won't lie, those pms don't do much for your case. The vast majority of the content that you omitted is what I was asking for, as coming up with a whole bunch of content filled pms in a couple of minutes isn't that easy.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:53 GMT
#288
On May 17 2009 14:20 L wrote:
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Clue analyzers almost never get the protection they deserve, i honestly dunno where you got that idea
You can't protect everyone all the time. If you're going off last game, the medics were pretty off the wall. Better players means better medics. Lets hope that holds true.

And Bockit, for someone that was in IRC with me finding ways to fuck empyrean over during Mafia 2, you're looking at this in an awfully interesting way. Also, why you drunk so much? O_o


The difference that I see between this and game 2 was that empyrean came out as dt to force town to vote him into mayor just because he wanted to be mayor. There was no "Mafia have found me I need the protection". Though similar, I see it as different enough to take caution before we decide he's a dt.

It's 21st season ^_^
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:53 GMT
#289
Ok seeing incognito posting those responses makes me believe nemy is quite likely telling the truth, I should probably be applying occam's razor about now.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:55 GMT
#293
EBWOTP

Working on the assumption that nemy is a dt, what do we do now? Do we elect him into position instead of one of the big guns currently running for it? I'm going to think about this in the next couple of hours, I wonder what everyone else thinks (about nemy's legitimacy, in light of the last few pages, and what we should do if you think he is legit)
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 06:30 GMT
#308
On May 17 2009 15:03 L wrote:
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I was out for the evening. I would have responded earlier but I got a BSOD right when i was typing my post had to leave then.

I'm not saying you're mafia. I think you are perhaps just being a little to confident in your blue picks. That is all.


Way to pussy out when you realize you got caught acting like a moron.

The tone of your previous post is COMPLETELY inconsistent with your meek reply. You stepped up to accuse. Red colour and all. Take responsibility for pointing the finger at someone who's going to flip townside.

Oh, speaking of which. When I die I want someone to post a complete list of my posts.

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The difference that I see between this and game 2 was that empyrean came out as dt to force town to vote him into mayor just because he wanted to be mayor. There was no "Mafia have found me I need the protection". Though similar, I see it as different enough to take caution before we decide he's a dt.
Feel free to go and look how we, as mafia, influenced the discussion. If anything, the current situation, with the 2 man confirmed pms, the lowered mafia count, the lowered KP and the weaker nature of the offices (Mafia 2 office was RIDICULOUS powerful) all point towards less reason for mafia to put themselves under the spotlight.

And I'm citing mafia 2 so that people can see how MAFIA will react to this situation, not to say he's 100% blue obv np.

I'm saying ignore the situation as it is and remove yourself from your role. Then think about how mafia would act given this situation. How would they act to plant nemy in the first place? How would the react if he's not one of them? The second situation is already covered. You can go look at the case example which has largely been replicated here by a number of players.


In mafia 2 though the detective in power was much more powerful than in this game. (unkillable source of Votechecks and rock solid rolechecks) so we were definitely scared about seeing a dt in office and we did our best to make sure he didn't get there. I just went through about 10~ pages of the thread from when emp roleclaimed dt, brought back a bit of nostalgia, I was smiling when I remembered how pissed off he was when randombum flipped mafia after he stole the elected position from emp.

But regardless, I think I see where you're going, and yes that does put suspicion on me, however I feel that in this game, a townie is more scared of having a mafia in pardoner position than mafia is scared of having a dt in power. Maybe people disagree with me on this, I'm open to discussion on the topic.

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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 06:34 GMT
#310
On May 17 2009 15:19 Caller wrote:
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On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.

you seem to be generalizing a lot, nemy's pms do have some interesting points implying a deeper connection between him and Incognito

unless you apparently have more information than those pms?


I don't see what is generalised there, nemy did just nonchalantly ask for pardoner instead of mayor, he did roleclaim dt out of nowhere, and he took ages to post about 10 lines of pm material.

Btw, in case people are overlooking this (I was guilty of this for a couple of minutes) Incognito is supporting the pms as legitimate, that doesn't mean nemy is detective, it just means they had a pm conversation.

I think I'm going to keep my vote on showtime.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 15:00 GMT
#337
Wow.

Nemy is not 90% blue. Hell he's not even 30% blue. Dreamflower has pointed out his outright lie. He took the trouble to write 'multiple people' and yet was only able to provide half-arsed pms from one guy, that didn't even match very well how they were described in the first place. I'm not going to repeat Dreamflower's post anymore, go read it.

I think he's a traitor, possibly a mafia ploy trying to implicate incognito maybe, but a traitor to me seems more likely.

Ace: Well put with the callout.

Plexa: What the fuck.

MTF: Similarly.

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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 15:34 GMT
#344
I just want to make people aware of what's happening in the vote thread.
[spoiler="last tally"]
Total - 22
-----
Ver - 6
Mynock - 4
Ace - 3
Showtime! - 3
nemY - 2
BloodyC0bbler - 1
Abstain - 3

Non-voters - 8
-----
Scamp
Plexa
Camlito
Showtime!
Infundibulum
infinity21
MrBabyHands
L[/spoiler]

Qatol posted that not long ago, and since then MTF moved off showtime to nemy, and plexa came out of nowhere and voted nemy.

Putting Nemy on 4 and showtime down to 3.

This puts us in a scary position imo. We have Ver kind of guaranteed mayoral position (that's fine in my books, dunno how you all feel, I tend to disagree with MTF's reasoning, more on this later) and we have Mynock and Nemy on 4, with Ace on 3.

Mafia get to pick the pardoner at this rate. On top of this, nemy is looking likely to get office (Mynock technically beats him at this point, but again, mafia can easily tip the scales either way).

We need to make it a bit harder for mafia to dictate the final votes. I'm going to move my vote from showtime to mynock (I'd be picking between mynock and ace, and since mynock has a higher chance of beating nemy plus ace endorsed mynock, I'm ok with that) and it will be interesting to see if someone else randomly swaps to nemy to match this, despite what has been happening in the thread.


Now to MTF:

On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote:
Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice.



And yet you swap from showtime to nemy?

What the fuck?
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 15:36 GMT
#345
On May 18 2009 00:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
incog didn't deny PM conversation did he? Whatever then I still think hes a DT over a traitor and mafia ploy is highly unlikely as said before

Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace


I said it before, incognito confirming the pm conversations does not mean he's a DT. It means they had a pm conversation.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-17 16:02:26
May 17 2009 16:01 GMT
#347
Asked pachi to rename the thread to day 1, We should make the day 2 post a new thread imo.

EDIT: That's just my opinion though, if you guys think it's better for one thread that might be better.

On second thoughts, I guess it makes sense to have each game in 1 thread (to help with chronology of posts) and voting threads separate.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 16:16 GMT
#350
Here's a tip then, if you don't want to derail the thread, read the whole thing before you post, or you bring old arguments back up.

Keep in mind I'm not saying you have, rather that if you respond to posts as you go for the next couple of pages you have to catch up, you're going to be covering old ground
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