EPTTL Mafia 5 [Game Over]
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
I vote for semioldguy. Seems to me that he has the slightest chance of being mafia. That Bloody is getting so many votes makes me worried. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
I'm fairly big on analyzing behavior, but it's very hard to do over the Internet. Firstly, it's written not said. You don't get to see their facial expressions when they say what they do. Secondly, you also don't see what has been typed or thought out before it was published (that is to say, what is replied has already been proofread to convey a specific message). Generally speaking, that serves to throw off the town. Most of what you say is extremely presumptuous. I'm not saying that Mandalor is not mafia (I haven't got a clue), but you certainly are far from making any convincing argument. There are many faults with your analysis. You say, "You take it as fact that mafia is stupid and that is naive." In my own experience, having played on this forum and been a mafia, mafia is least likely to defend a quality of the mafia. Whenever I played, I would try to say as little about the mafia as possible, unless I decided to shift the blame onto someone else. Anything defensive, the mafia, I'm sure, must know very well, may be perceived to their disadvantage. As a mafia, you're most likely to give either garbage clue analysis (as most people who analyze clues are generally regarded as contributing to the town), attack someone who has already been declared mafia (that is to say, bandwagon, and this includes itself for almost any situation), and slyly manipulate the town to your own ends, which they can achieve by simply feigning inactivity or inconspicuously rousing chaos. A mafia member is more likely to suggest someone else who is in mafia then defend the stupidity or naivete or a comment. At this point in time, I would hope someone would question the list. I don't know the legitimacy of anyone's identity (except my own), so whatever is posted I do not take as certain truth. What's dangerous is this: "I swap my vote from SemiOldGuy to MrBabyHands following Ace and Ver." Mafia really try to do this. I'm not saying Caller is mafia. Just saying its a pattern that seems consistent (almost has to be) in their behavior. You caught another earlier comment that seems to confirm the same thing (someone voting for another person, and qualifying it by stating that he had deliberated upon it for a long time, which is altogether useless information that the mafia might attempt to instigate). Thoughts? | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
"i saw his retarded post somewhere. you might have spelled his name wrong or something. i definitely recall skipping over his elaborate explanation about how he was towny." This tells me that you haven't read through any of my posts, and you're throwing suspicions onto me for no apparent reason. That makes you on the top of the list of my suspects, not that you care, of course. Furthermore, I've made two posts (this being the third). That you haven't followed this thread at all, or pretend not to, suggests that you are inactive, and have been trying to overcompensate in the last page. It can also mean that you've been getting your information through other means. Stupid posts like yours are precisely what needs to be gotten rid of, primarily because they almost certainly consist of imperfect mafiosos. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
My reason for voting for semioldguy was that he has the slightest chances, in my opinion, of being mafia. Or so I thought at the time I voted for him. I still maintain that. He's new to the game, but that doesn't matter. Honestly, intelligence here is as important if not more important that experience. He didn't come into this game playing the AttackZerg charade, yelling out, "I'm a noobie, what's the purpose of this role?" Rather, he came in and began to play. He seemed to have made several insightful posts that seemed uncharacteristic of a mafia players. I discerned from them that he actually wanted to help the town. Furthermore, at the time of my voting, although he was making several keen posts, few people were voting him; this made my suspicions concerning him drop even more. There are many practical reasons why I would choose him over any of the other candidates, many of which he himself mentioned. He has time, or least enough of it, to participate in this game. That's relatively important. He's able to see edits, which, in my opinion, if he proves to be anything but mafia, may prove to be an asset for the town. Therefore, of anyone I thought not to be mafia, he surpasses them in legitimacy for that ability. I hate the phrase, "protect the experienced players," because it attempts to eliminate them as mafia suspects. The very same can be said of BloodyCobbler. That he received as many votes as he did for no apparent reason is startling to me. Their responses of "NOT ROL" are even more shocking. From my memory, there is no reason to keep him in this game as opposed to any other inactive. I don't know why you classify Scaramanga as a veteran player or potential target (no offense intended at all). I simply mean that it seems to assembled a list with some big names. And then added two more. Which makes it seem even less thought-out/suspicious. Currently, I'm even more convinced that he's not mafia. RoL almost confirmed it. The rapid spurt of messages suggests one of two things: RoL realized that he got outfoxed by the town, or RoL is trying to cover up semioldguy, who then would happen to be mafia. That LTT responded to RoL's messages suggests to me that there was no perceived point to his messages (it wasn't strategy, that is to say). Ver, I still have not had the chance to read through your epic. I'll get to it soon, I promise. Ver, what I do think you may be forgetting is the fact that the townies (green roles) are relatively unaffacted/ don't care whether or not they die, either. Of course, the only instant at which I would be annoyed is if I were to be put on the lynching block. So, while Mandalor might not care about dying ostensibly because he's mafia, don't forget the obvious (just doesn't care because he's just a buffer for the special roles). I wouldn't expect a "veteran" player to overlook that. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
There's a difference between a fear of dying and a fear of getting killed during the night. You're ignoring that, and the very fact that I said that. It's pretty presumptuous to assume that most green would rather care about saving their own asses then being the mediums with which the town would use to win. Interesting. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
"Bodyguards are only drawn from green townies. Rationally speaking, it's plain stupid and a newbie move for a legit BG to come forth and privately tell the sheriff that he's a BG (no gain considerable risk). Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis. For Scara's side or not, there is another person who roleclaimed BG but I don't know who it is. This is a lot of evidence already, but oh yes there is more." You also mentioned that I am a suspect for saying that he does not qualify as one of the twelve experienced members. It wasn't that I was trying to disqualify Ace's plan (that is to say, immediately after I had posted that, you responded, and it seemed that you assumed I didn't understand Ace's plan (I did)); it was more out of principle. I'll explain why. In order to do this, it's best to look at the above quote from your post. I think you're flawed in what you're saying. "Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis." You're dead wrong here. I've played in two games with this guy, and I have come to the conclusion that there can be a no more impulsive player in this game. Quite frankly, he's an idiot. He's disrespectful, and, in my opinion, he has served nothing but as a waste of time in this past several games. He not once let me have a civil PM with him, mainly because of the way I decided to post in the thread (and also send out PMs to all). That was unacceptable. Everyone else, whether they were new or experienced, were not this rash, this impulsive. Simply put, I agree entirely with your analysis with the exception of this point. He is that impulsive. He is that stupid. He's played the game for so long, but he's still characterized in my book as a guy who is willing to be bend the rules to win (he was willing to check roles several games ago by logging into others accounts -- that to me is unexcusable). Therefore, my conscience, by principle, I had to say that he doesn't belong on that list. It would have been a disgrace to place him that. That's simply all. It was more of a passing point (and I guess a snipe at him, so I apologize). I'm not trying to take him off the spotlight; in fact, if it were up to me, he would be killed at the start of every game, so that his nuisance would not obstruct the integrity of the game. That, however, is unfeasible. All I'm trying to do is question that which you consider to be rock solid. You're welcome. If people, in the expectation that there are irretrievably infallible, post their behavior analysis of every person they suspect to be mafia, and we follow through with those words, I'd be a little afraid. In fact, I'd get incredibly suspicious. You mentioned that you think I subtly try to cause confusion; no, I'm trying to make sure that we're not wrong, because, if that is not done, then we might as well just follow through with semioldguy's initial kill (simply use a random generator every day for lynching). Edit: Thank you for a useful post, redtooth! I've been waiting for one since about page 20! | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
"Scara’s death gives us a lot of information however, that the current team of mafia players, for the most part, are retarded. Scara was one of the towns top lynch suspects before he was killed, hell Ver was campaigning his death, and they killed him, showing that a) the mafia aren’t reading the thread carefully or 2) they aren’t seasoned players and made a rookie mistake." You may be missing the obvious here. They may have sent in their hits to Chuiu, and he took a long time to make the night post. I don't know. Whether or not that is true, I thinks it's far to presumptuous, and extremely detrimental for us, to simply wave the mafia off as retarded. If we assume that my first statement is not true, then mafia would be under the knowledge that Scar was not one of them, and the town's eye, led by Ver, was on him. Why would mafia kill him? To tell us Ver is wrong about one, so he's wrong about the other? That's certainly the emotion that was instilled into me before I saw SoG posting that he had checked Mandalor and had found him to be red. Maybe they thought he was BG? Ver explained that there was confusion about that (or, at least he said so in his post). What about the fact that he's on Ace's list? They've been minimizing Ace's list. Why? If there are mafia on that list, then it seems almost suicide to them. Guess they realize that those players, nevertheless, must be gotten rid of. I don't know. Then there's Rice to consider. I felt redtooth did a good job with bringing him forth. Before that, Rice had rarely, if ever posted. And then, in a flurry of activity, when accused, he begins to post. And he doesn't defend himself. Rather, he makes pointless one-liners. He shakes off any accusations he has with a laugh. Then he does the typical, "please rolecheck me so we dont waste a hit that couldve been for someone that is actually mafia... this is getting ridiculous how much crap im getting for having a picture of guys with knives in my profile in a MAFIA game." A rolecheck to me seems far too essential to waste, especially with him being in the running for being mafia. His behavior seems incredibly suspicious to me. For this day, however, I vote for Mandalor to be lynched. I trust SoG entirely, and, with good fortune, he will turn up red rather than black (miller). | ||
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United States564 Posts
I vote for Night]Mare | ||
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United States564 Posts
I vote for Phrujbaz | ||
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