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On March 20 2009 20:50 Bockit wrote: Something about Caller too. If he is mafia, it means one of the 4 candidates BC, SOG, Pyrr or MBH are mafia. Why? The only reason for him to cancel his election is to get another mafia player into power. There are huge, huge positives for having a mafia player in that position of power (Rolechecks show up as sheriff/mayor and not mafia), so the only reason I can come up with for him to pull out like that would be to instead get another of the mafia players into office. Which means we should look at who he voted for, and who else voted for them. Keep in mind this only matters if he flips red, but if he does, then yeah, we might catch a crapload of mafia. EDIT: Editing because I refuse to triple post: Hahahahaha. He voted for MBH, which is coincidentally who I voted for. Teach me to hit submit before checking these things. I guess it's possible he voted off the mafia train so as to lessen the suspicion on himself aftr pulling out of the election. Again this is all relevant only if Caller is in fact mafia. Firstly, I will admit that I have been very busy recently with exams. They are finished now so I can pay more attention. Secondly, I will also say that the reason I quit my campaign was that I had these exams, and felt there was no point in running without an effective campaign. Thirdly, I had a grand total of one vote. If I were mafia, I would most likely have more votes: after all, having started running before the roles, I could have a good reason for my innocence (ala aces game). The one vote also wouldn't help a mafia mayor get elected:p Although I will admit that my behavior is much different this round, I have a good reason for it. | ||
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On March 21 2009 04:21 semioldguy wrote: One vote could have helped, as there was only a one vote separation between second and third places. I believe it was motbob who voted for you and then eventually switched to Pyrrhuloxia once you withdrew from running. The person that voted for me was malongo. I'm not too sure why, and he ended up voting for Pyrrhuloxia. But here's my thinking: if I was mafia, why would I want to cancel my campaign? First of all, it draws attention to me. Second of all, I could use the fact that I started the campaign as a way to continue the campaign, i.e. "chance I am mafia is lower because I ran before the roles." Third of all, I have actual Mayor (well... pardoner) experience. I would thus know how to imitate a townie mayor, and that would be another reason for me to run. We are speculating way too much on "what if" I am mafia, and then deriving what that means from there. The problem is, firstly, I am not mafia (although everybody would say that) and secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that points in my direction. Granted, my behavior may have appeared to have changed, but that was mostly due to my exams, on Wednesday, which both reduced by availability and impaired my ability to run a campaign (which is why I withdrew). In both cases, this speculation is going nowhere, unless I do flip mafia, in which case then one could discuss the possible implications of this. If anything, right now I think the Scara/Mandalor accusations bear some merit (the Pika Chu thing, as many people said, relies on first day clue analysis, which is just a terrible idea). However, I also urge caution about too much speculation: often somebody brings up something that gets buried by speculation that later turns out to be very accurate. In addition, we might want to look at persons like RoL whom are inactive yet at the same time are usually very active. We also might want to see if clues relate to RoL in any way. | ||
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On March 21 2009 07:04 Ace wrote: Really good observation redtooth. I think what we can gather from it are two things: 1.) Mafia is definitely active if we assume RoL was really afk. That means some of them are reading the thread and updating everyone else accordingly. If we go with this idea, it's best to check who posted around the time SoG revealed his lynch like you said. 2.) RoL was active and feigned inactivity. Let's go with the idea that once they are caught they pop out the woodworks all of a sudden. This means their are some mafia laying low. But RoL is usually active so why would he go against his normal behavior? If so, is there any other suspicious person that is really playing very opposite their normal abilities? My guess would be to look for someone who is usually behind the scenes and quiet that's posting more than they normally would.  | ||
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Why are we voting for Rice? The knife clue is really, really stupid. Remember Midnight Gladius? remember all the games where we lynched him because of the knife? Yeah. I thought so. If anything, a candidate for the Ninja clue is Mandalor. His Profile has a move from a video game, followed by a dragged out version of "Shuriken." Notice how one of the assassins (Qatol's) acts like a bad ninja-jumping from chair to chair, leaping on things and using a knife object, as well as having other weapons. The arrows match his poor jumping, and one of the weapons could be a shuriken (common among ninjas). | ||
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Chaoser is being awfully quiet. And... (12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON (12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer (12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas (12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf (12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer (12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS | ||
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GUYS. Why are we voting for Rice? The knife clue is really, really stupid. Remember Midnight Gladius? remember all the games where we lynched him because of the knife? Yeah. I thought so. If anything, a candidate for the Ninja clue is Mandalor. His Profile has a move from a video game, followed by a dragged out version of "Shuriken." Notice how one of the assassins (Qatol's) acts like a bad ninja-jumping from chair to chair, leaping on things and using a knife object, as well as having other weapons. The arrows match his poor jumping, and one of the weapons could be a shuriken (common among ninjas). The ninja clue could also be chaoser. Chaoser is being awfully quiet. And... In addition, chaoser posted not long after I had accused him, and proceeded to ignore my accusations like everybody else. I know chaoser is actually a pretty strong player, and by not drawing attention to himself if he was mafia, he could effectively bury my information like it apparently was. Making big post summarizing my thoughts  | ||
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On March 22 2009 10:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno Caller, you call it the "ninja clue" but I think the ninja thing is a bit of a stretch. It's like you make this jump to the ninja thing and then find a bunch of ninja related things. The guy is described as being dressed in black, armed to the teeth, and is agile enough to jump from seat to seat. Sounds like a ninja to me. And meh, I guess it isn't Mandalor. However, the clue still points quite strongly at Chaoser, whom has also been unusually "inactive." | ||
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Firstly, recalling Ace's "Knights of the Zodiac" (XD) Camlito -dead Qatol -dead BloodyC0bbler Ver -dead Caller Bockit iNfuNdiBuLuM Ace -incarcerated MrBabyHands Versatile Scaramanga -dead JL13 From the looks of things, regardless of apparent guilt, it appears they are 1a2a3aing their way through the list. I have no idea why Ace got incarcerated, so BC could very well be a mafiaso here. Or Ace. Or Both. MrBabyHands appears to have disappeared off the radar. I note that Scaramanga's behavior, as mentioned by Ver, was weird from his normal townie behavior. If I were mafia and doing behavior analysis, I would have suspected that Scaramanga was a blue, and I would thus hit him. So I don't think mafia is as stupid as they seem here. Infundibulum, usually very active and townie, has just posted a little bit and shut up. He could be the "bum-like" leader that has been mentioned several times. JL13 is either a good townie or a very sneaky mafia. By the looks of the 1a2a3a I suspect the former. Versatile is playing like she did last time, so I don't see anything suspicious yet. Bockit appears to be townie here, however he could still be mafia. Signs of a Mafia: -Posts Crap -Acts Different -Doesn't get killed for the former -Appears to have no fear of death If they are smart mafia -Posts big blocks of crap -Acts the same -doesn't get killed for the former -Appears to fear death. Consider that carefully when looking at vets vs. non-vets. | ||
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On March 22 2009 10:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh one more idea, "Ver's major arteries were stabbed into and they left him there to bleed out and die." The pulmonary artery is based at the infundibulum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conus_arteriosus oooooh that goes well with his actions Can someone check into this please? | ||
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On March 22 2009 14:53 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I vote for Mandalor I've been as active as I can, Caller. Not really sure what you're comparing my previous levels of activity to. The only game I can remember being at least somewhat active was BC's, where i did clue analysis. Your posts so far are a mismatch of anti-vigi plan posts and uninformativeposts about last night-a lot of aomething that says nothing, and you haven't really done the clue analysis that you did last games. | ||
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People: I exhort you to ignore rice for now. The clue is not completely correct: Nothing in that picture suggests that the people can move quickly about chairs. If anything, this clue is about ninjas, which as I have mentioned before may point to chaoser. If you realistically think that the clue points to that obvious of a person, chances are you're either bandwagoning or a mafiaso. Bandwagoning is B.A.D. | ||
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On March 24 2009 02:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "the walls came caving down on Scaramanga" really sounds like a clue to me. Sounds like a Jericho reference (or maybe a Samson reference). Maybe someone is a fan of that tv show or something. that's part of the implosion clue from the first day that I mentioned earlier. | ||
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His profile is lol's though. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=LucasWoJ XDXDXD | ||
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On March 24 2009 10:06 MrBabyHands wrote: Based on the last day's clues (and behavior for some) I have 5 top mafia suspects. Just in case i dont survive the night, let me show you thems. I present, MrBabyHands's Furious Five: humbug :i think BC first made the connection with a "humbug" being defined as a deceiver/deception. also scrooge = stingy, miser, collector, etc. I think that was very good clue analysis and i think we'd be hard pressed to find a better match. scooter : the biker clue. it just really sticks out to me. if you've ever had one of those gut feelings that you feel really strongly about. well, this is one for me. tricode : malongo noticed the repeating theme of "3" in the clues. tricode also made a suspicious post (that malongo also noticed). but his response to the idea that he might be a suspect is what convinced me... see below + Show Spoiler + I asked tricode what he thought about malongo bringing up his name as a suspect. this was his response: On March 22 2009 03:25 Tricode wrote: I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob. Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused. I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me. If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior. But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that. the ol "puppy dog eyes" technique "i'm new" "i was hoping someone could help me" "its my first time, i just want to have fun" "i dont want people to be mad at me" this could verywell be his first time. but that doesnt mean he's not red. i think he presented too many explanations and they were all around a common theme (first timer, new to the game, dont wanna mess up, etc). People do this when they have something to hide. I feel like most innocent new players are more likely to downplay their inexperience so as not to appear as a burden. Tricode did the opposite. I also feel like he's overcompensating for his inactivity, again posting lots of extraneous information (who is cob anyway) and appealing to our emotions he offers a humble apology at the end. His only defense was "i'm new. sorry about that." And he didnt address the clues at all, even tho they were a main part in his suspicion. if i wasnt sure he was mafia before, i am certainly more convinced now. MoC: this suspicion is mostly from the dark archon = bad fighter clue that someone else picked up on. But there are other things that got my attention. His posts dont really seem to add any real value. like they are "empty" posts in which he either agrees or disagrees with someone or is glaringly neutral-- this is indicative of a mafia trying to hide. Also, in the Day 1, the mafia member who "grabbed the gun" with his hands still behind his head. this could indicate psychic abilities (using the mind to grab the gun. Dark Archons are use mind powers). I think these two clues point to the same person. And I think that person is MoC LeperKhan: look at this clue i cant believe i missed this at first. The keyword here is "LUCK." and he's easy to shove too-- like a little person. AND he was taunting (as leprechauns are known to do). clearly a "leprechaun" is a good fit. or in our case... a "LeperKhan" (edited for a few typos) i like | ||
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Thoughts: Trident = Poseidon/Neptune Cloud = dragonball/ninja/monkey reference Three=#3 on the list? | ||
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