EPTTL Mafia 5 [Game Over] - Page 2
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Ace
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Once you have a solid set of clues without DT help, then you can try the plan. Of course it will still have some holes, but by then if we have a few Mafia kills I'm sure they'd be less inclined to easily throw members into it even if it might still be a risky idea. It's kinda like PvT. You don't go for Carriers asap because you don't have the resources and because you need more information from your Obsevers to know when to do it. That's what this current plan is like, except we might need some HTs too to storm the gollies. | ||
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Ace
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On March 18 2009 14:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol what happened game 3? Chuiu was doing dumb shit no sane mod would do in Mafia. I addressed it before the bullshit happened, he ignored, the bullshit happened anyway and he thinks it's everyone else's fault. | ||
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Ace
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On March 18 2009 14:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: To avoid a fake vigi we could only give a potential vigi one try until we cycle to the next one but then we can't protect them all and mafia will kill real vigis whose hits got stolen. I'm losing hope for this plan, tbh. If Ace's secret plan is a winner if / when he reveals it I won't stand in its way and I'll help if it requires Mayor and / or Sheriff action. My secret plan isn't so hot  Really, all it is: 1.) decide if I should try to get elected or not 2.) based on this, reveal my role 3.) if elected and role is revealed, start trying to verify the two people in this game I know for sure would can come up with something to catch liars | ||
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On March 18 2009 14:18 Chuiu wrote: Typical you would just flame me instead of explaining it to him. They lost an extra hit on one night of game 3 because they lost someone to a vigilante hit. Ace bitched and moaned about their suicide bomber decreasing the hit count when they asked ahead of time if it would or not, but it was the vigilante hit that did it. Of course he just keeps bitching about it, but if they would have hit a Vigilante before the Vigilante sent a hit against them they would never have bitched about that. *yawn* And this is why we said you're an idiot. Yes obviously we should have hit the vigilante because...we know who he is? Brilliant. Like we have a list of all the Blues in the game from the get go. The problem wasn't solely the fact that it was who got hit - it was that you did it in the first place. In Mafia there isn't supposed to be altered kill lists. It shouldn't matter who sends in what hit first - everything goes through because then it's unfair to both sides. Of course with TEAMLIQUID being an international site, and most of us having jobs/school I'd think it would be even more painfully OBVIOUS doing this is just fucking some players over. There's just no way every time the right person is going to be able to get their PM in to send in a hit/protection or whatever. It's a stupid system that rewards whoever gets it in first when that should have 0 impact on the game. And you can call it bitching and moaning if you want but that one night did change the game dramatically. | ||
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Ace
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Anyway Detectives, the first people you should investigate are the people voting. I still don't see how it's possible people could be voting because others offered their candidacy early like that has any importance whatsoever on being innocent or guilty. We've already established that can't be proven so it's pointless. Right now we should be trying to get veteran and good players with a good track record in that sheriff/mayor spot. The only one of them that fulfills that is BC as he's played for so long, but I still think MrBabyHands is a much better player as he has really good analysis abilities. I'm sticking my vote with him. | ||
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Guys. No one has plan. Forget it. Vote based on who we'd rather keep ALIVE at this point. Surely between myself and Ver if we're both innocent we'll be dead before Day 2. There aren't enough medics to protect us both. | ||
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I'd rather have you protected over Pyrr tho. I just see it as a big mistake. | ||
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That being said, leave the Pika Chu shit alone. He shouldn't even be close to being lynched. A DT will probably check him out and figure it out from there or we'll wait for more clues. This is exactly why I said you shouldn't be in any position of power. No idea why anyone would vote semioldguy in, good going town. so now me, Ver, Camlito, Mr.BabyHands, Versatile and other good players are left out in the cold. Real smart. | ||
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We just had to end the game because of all the problems it caused. | ||
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RebirthofLegend of all the inactives? oh no | ||
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M A O omg I don't think we'll ever hear the end of RoL complaining now | ||
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Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you - The Plan. I came up with this while making a sandwich last night, so I'm pretty sure this is going to work. The idea from this plan sprang from the mindset of the DTs not being able to be rallied. It also comes from the realization that medics can not protect enough vet players this game, so unfortunately some of us will die. We've got to use this little disadvantage and turn it into something positive, and I've come up with an idea. I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a Mafia player for a second. If I wanted to kill any vet players this game, this is a list of players I'd target for Night 1 death above all else. Camlito Qatol BloodyC0bbler Ver Caller Bockit iNfuNdiBuLuM Ace MrBabyHands Versatile Scaramanga JL13 That's a list of twelve potential targets, for fun let's call them the The Zodiac Brave. This list is important, because it gives us a place to start. I've got a feeling that somebody on this list is mafia, in fact 3 of them wouldn't be unreasonable. since these are the prime players in the game - if any of these players die during the Night it tightens the suspicion noose on the remaining ones. It also gives the medics a place to focus protections. Sure, the mafia could ignore this list and kill off other players but I'm sure they know letting any of these people live for too long is dangerous. Now for the hard part - Detectives. I'm going to ask you to ignore these players. Literally, just don't even investigate them unless something like a major clue points to them, it's obvious something fishy is wrong with them, or you need to confirm their ID to speak with them about something critical. Focus your investigations on people not on the list. Secondly, to the Town in general. Use this list as the start of your clue referencing. Clues are much easier to link when you already have a name in mind. Instead of looking through every profile and trying to match every little clue up - you've got this list of 12 names right here. After Night 1 goes away, the second set of clues + the first Day's clues should be enough to find something on someone listed. Also, we have to decide who the Sheriff should lock up for the night. It has to be one of these 12. No matter what we try to do, the medics can't protect everyone and the Mafia will stack kills even with RoL dead to take out some vets. Whoever we lock up out of the vets, has to be plain green Towny. Sure they might have to role claim but we can't afford to lock up any critical blue roles on Night 1. And last but not least - semioldguy. While lynching RoL was a good thing it says nothing about whether he is innocent or not. In fact, I think he's innocent but it doesn't matter. Do not send him any information. His innocence will be proven based on his actions during the game. Same goes for BC. | ||
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semioldguy might be a Detective. I was informed he lightweight role-claimed earlier. That's not too bad, but if he really is a blue that ran for Mayor/Sheriff to get protected then that's very good and lucky for us. It's possible he clue checked RoL and caught him but didn't come out and say it for his own safety until he won the election - but that's a stretch. | ||
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1. Camlito 3. BloodyC0bbler 8. Lurker 9. ydg 13. Night[Mare 14. JeeJee 17. RebirthOfLeGenD 24. Snet 32. MrBabyHands 33. Centric 34. Kennigit 35. Icysoul 37. Versatile 38. blue_arrow 39. RaGe 43. Lucktar 46. Humbug 50. motbob 57. nemY 59. semioldguy 60. aZnvaLiaNce 64. Rice 65. JL13 This is BC's list of people that haven't voted. Phrujbaz 0cz3c Mista Pika Chu TruthBringer TranceStorm dreamflower CynanMachae ZaplinG LucasWoJ redtooth ydg MrBabyHands This is the list of people that have voted for semioldguy. Of the 2 suspicious lists I'm more interested in the latter. The first list could be inactives and mafia, but the second list are all active posters. That means they have to have thought about their votes. However, with testimony from several players and semioldguy never even playing a game on the site before he somehow manages enough votes to snag a position. It's hard to tell if this is a bandwagon voting thing or mafia ploy. Regardless the only vet player sticking out on this list is Mr.BabyHands who voted for him probably because it didn't matter, or he'd rather have him in office than Pyrr. If we assume that veteran mafia would want mafia in office, we could also assume they'd have voted for Semi and we'd see more names from the 12 here. Good thing we won't use this assumption. Detectives this is probably the list you want to start role checking. Of course the first list has a few vet names, but Versatile voted and so did MBH. Camlito has been oddly quiet so far and so has JL13. Both could be really inactive at the moment, but by Day 2 they'd have to show up. If not then it's good to start looking at clues pointing to them and make them higher priority than the other 12. And of course, the most interesting list of all: MrBabyHands - 7 Ace Ver Caller Bockit iNfuNdiBuLuM Versatile nemY Almost all of them being players I'd listed under veterans. Of course I didn't list nemy, but like I told Ver in a PM exchange nemy is a pretty good player most of the time and he's dangerous because he's literally just too much in the shadows even though he posts. People just don't seem to notice him for some reason. He's just as dangerous as the other people. | ||
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Ace
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The rest of your post of course, is way off. I think most greens DO care about dying because you know - they want the town to win. When Mandalor comes out to defend himself we'll know the truth. | ||
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