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On March 03 2009 13:35 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 13:32 Qatol wrote:On March 03 2009 13:30 Chuiu wrote:
Now lets all play nice and pretend like this thread never happened. btw, 12 vets vs 10 mafia? That seems a bit imbalanced. Just a thought. I expected about half of the vets to be voting full time. Meaning only like 6-7 vets would have extra lives and it would only be one extra life. Really the only thing I felt like I made the mistake of was not giving mafia more hits earlier on. If I could have restarted this game earlier Mafia would have 6 hits to start and lose one every other mafia death.
I don't see why the vets would ever want to use their extra vote once they confirmed innocence. It doesn't really have a huge impact on the lynch most of the time.
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On March 03 2009 13:37 inertinept wrote:
50 blues vs 10 mafia...seriously chuiu lol? when are we going to have a normal game? now i have really lost hope in TL mafia lol this was a joke.
the blues were quite a bit weaker than normal, that's not the problem
not reading the rules was a problem
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On March 03 2009 13:37 LTT wrote:
Qatol for MVP. He was the first to point out that there was no Townie role in the game. After that we just ran with it.
LTT and Dyno are modest here. They helped me sell it. Notice that we emphasize that townies should send in role PMs too. The first one was a mistake by LTT, the rest were on purpose. This wouldn't have worked if they hadn't supported it.
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On March 03 2009 13:37 LTT wrote:
Qatol for MVP. He was the first to point out that there was no Townie role in the game. After that we just ran with it.
Whoops, my bad Qatol, haha. Congrats for that. Someone pointed it out earlier in the thread (zeks, perhaps?), but I didn't make too much of it. Mafia played horribly this game.
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I think that the game was dumb since the citizens used a strat that was used in a previous game (so they aren't as smart as they think they are) and since there were over 10 vets, it would have taken us a bare minimum of 12 days to kill everyone. That would have been way long enough for them to figure out the fake roles that we had.
In addition, if we all had fake roles, we could not prove that we were a vet since you posted a million pre-vote tallies, and only the vets knew that townie wasn't a roll. Again, this hinges on the town's plan, but it was an already used strat so it's not like they are geniuses.
If anyone thinks that the mafia could have done anything different, you are dumb.
Again, Chuiu, how could you not see this coming?
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On March 03 2009 13:38 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 13:37 inertinept wrote:
50 blues vs 10 mafia...seriously chuiu lol? when are we going to have a normal game? now i have really lost hope in TL mafia lol this was a joke. the blues were quite a bit weaker than normal, that's not the problem not reading the rules was a problem
the problem was that the mafia team only had 1-2 players that had played before and the rest were new, one dying day 1. so we were hopeless to begin with. claiming townie in a game without villager rofl wow.
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just vet +1 extra life every night with max 2 lifes. That should be enough. This forces mafia to guess if a player was protected or not.
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On March 03 2009 13:40 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 13:37 LTT wrote:
Qatol for MVP. He was the first to point out that there was no Townie role in the game. After that we just ran with it. Whoops, my bad Qatol, haha. Congrats for that. Someone pointed it out earlier in the thread (zeks, perhaps?), but I didn't make too much of it. Mafia played horribly this game.
Zeks noticed it on page 28. Qatol found it around page 13.
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On March 03 2009 13:37 Chuiu wrote:
I really wanted to make a game work where everyone had a role but I guess I'm going to have to redesign Veteran and Private Eye. Any suggestions?
First of all, I wouldn't give vets an extra vote at all. Or force them to pick an ability at the start of the game and that is the one they have. Also, I would dump sanctuary. It is far too strong. Finally, give the mafia an ability they can use day 1 if you're going to give one to the town. This wouldn't have worked if they could backlash or snakeskin
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On March 03 2009 13:40 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 13:37 LTT wrote:
Qatol for MVP. He was the first to point out that there was no Townie role in the game. After that we just ran with it. Whoops, my bad Qatol, haha. Congrats for that. Someone pointed it out earlier in the thread (zeks, perhaps?), but I didn't make too much of it. Mafia played horribly this game.
We actually sent him a PM about that (but didn't ask him to take it down). Bockit also noticed and PMed LTT asking about it.
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I knew there were no townies in this game because of the previous TL Discussion thread we had about a month ago. I really wanted to say there were no townies this game, but I decided not to. Does the new game have new people or the same people?
And yeah, 13 vets = imba.
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On March 03 2009 13:40 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I think that the game was dumb since the citizens used a strat that was used in a previous game (so they aren't as smart as they think they are) and since there were over 10 vets, it would have taken us a bare minimum of 12 days to kill everyone. That would have been way long enough for them to figure out the fake roles that we had.
In addition, if we all had fake roles, we could not prove that we were a vet since you posted a million pre-vote tallies, and only the vets knew that townie wasn't a roll. Again, this hinges on the town's plan, but it was an already used strat so it's not like they are geniuses.
If anyone thinks that the mafia could have done anything different, you are dumb.
Again, Chuiu, how could you not see this coming?
Btw, you were caught anyways. You went into the TL IRC channel and posted "yo mafia". LTT was sitting there.
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It was actually omg mafia.
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Wow, I was a noob...and now I'm even more confused...
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On March 03 2009 13:44 LTT wrote:
It was actually omg mafia.
Thank you, I am not that dumb troller.
Edit: Directed at Quatol not LTT
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On March 03 2009 13:41 inertinept wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 13:38 JeeJee wrote:On March 03 2009 13:37 inertinept wrote:
50 blues vs 10 mafia...seriously chuiu lol? when are we going to have a normal game? now i have really lost hope in TL mafia lol this was a joke. the blues were quite a bit weaker than normal, that's not the problem not reading the rules was a problem the problem was that the mafia team only had 1-2 players that had played before and the rest were new, one dying day 1. so we were hopeless to begin with. claiming townie in a game without villager rofl wow.
even so, the roleclaims should've been discussed beforehand. . .
but i guess the RNG that determined who got to be mafia wasn't too kind anyway
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On March 03 2009 13:40 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I think that the game was dumb since the citizens used a strat that was used in a previous game (so they aren't as smart as they think they are) and since there were over 10 vets, it would have taken us a bare minimum of 12 days to kill everyone. That would have been way long enough for them to figure out the fake roles that we had.
In addition, if we all had fake roles, we could not prove that we were a vet since you posted a million pre-vote tallies, and only the vets knew that townie wasn't a roll. Again, this hinges on the town's plan, but it was an already used strat so it's not like they are geniuses.
If anyone thinks that the mafia could have done anything different, you are dumb.
Again, Chuiu, how could you not see this coming?
I fully expect you to be pissed off but you're wrong. First of all you can fake claim to be Private Eye, Mad Hatter, or Detective safely. Secondly I did not make 'a million pre-vote tallies' I made TWO. If you think this was entirely my fault then you, sir, are dumb. If I were mafia I would have had a couple mafia claim to be Private Eye's and a couple claim to be Mad Hatters and the rest claim to be Detectives. I could explain my entire strategy but you're probably content on thinking otherwise.
Also as for 'towny not being a role'. I posted a long time before this game was started that the next mafia I hosted would have no townies and there isn't even a towny in the role list. Look at every mafia before this one and you will see Towny is listed as a role but not this one. Ignorance is your reason for losing and you have no excuse.
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On March 01 2009 06:36 Icysoul wrote:
dang, looks like everyone is unanimously voting for inertinept so no reason not to vote for him.
I vote for inertinept
looks like we have alot of activities compared to earlier when it was dead...
very nice job on the clue analysis guys, but i thought that clue was wayyyy to easy
I knew Icysoul was mafia the minute I saw this. Who else would say something like "so no reason not to vote for him"? Dead mafia giveaway.
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Boy, I don't know which is more fun: watching the game unfold or listening to the aftermath, with all the praising, finger-pointing, and "Chuiu, you should have done this or that" going on. 
Whether the town's strategy was original or not, it still worked and nailed enough mafia to end the game the first morning. I agree that veterans should only have extra lives, though. The idea of a circle of confirmed townies able to coordinate the different roles, because all the blues know they can trust them, doesn't give the Mafia much of a chance, unless they have some special roles of their own.
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