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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 01:22 GMT
#305
as you guys can see people are already using wording suggesting that Ace can be trusted when we don't know if he truly can be or not. let's just wait for the day to start before doing anything stupid like pming people roles or taking sides.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 02:57 GMT
#310
why would you send him your info unless it's 100% sure he's not mafia.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 03:14 GMT
#314
that's easy, you can tell the dt to check you and then if he's right (whether you are townie, blue roles, whatever) then you can trust him.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 04:05 GMT
#318
a dt can check someone, find they are dt/medic/greenie/blue and tell them i'm a dt, "you are dt/medic/greenie/blue" and that build instant trust for me anyway
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 04:24 GMT
#322
On December 16 2008 13:15 Scaramanga wrote:


And people that are sepctical about ace, hes led us to one mafia kill, based off no clue anyalsis so either he is a dt or is in contact with one but im positive that we can trust him


OR he could be mafia, why does no one think this third option MIGHT be the case?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:57:49
December 16 2008 19:56 GMT
#371
On December 17 2008 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I have been doing a lot lately, but I think I have enough time to go over my thoughts on this mafia game so far. This will mainly be about Ace and what I have observed so far and my thoughts on what we should do.

At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that.

That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics.

As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two.

Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up.

So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely.

Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything.

Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead.

Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore.

I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot.

Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion.


this is basically what i've been trying to say but more well put together -_- it's very weird for someone to blind trust someone else and even then it's even weirder for that person to outright tell all the blues to pm him their roles, it's just not adding up.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 20:02 GMT
#374
On December 17 2008 04:59 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I have been doing a lot lately, but I think I have enough time to go over my thoughts on this mafia game so far. This will mainly be about Ace and what I have observed so far and my thoughts on what we should do.

At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that.

That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics.

As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two.

Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up.

So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely.

Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything.

Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead.

Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore.

I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot.

Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion.


I can confirm that the DT in question is in fact a different person. They had tried to remain anonymous but a silly person leaked the name of the DT to several others, including Ace.

edit: I can also confirm that the DT rolechecked independently.


wait, do you mean the dt that ace said told him ver was mafia was NOT camilot or that the dt that checked how many mafia voted folca is a different dt?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 22:13 GMT
#427
Ace, please don't try to discredit me by saying i'm a retard. my arguments made lots of sense:
1) pming someone on blind trust is weird and very risky
2) blues shouldn't give their roles out to anyone by pm just yet. Much less all of them to one person.
3) i'm not saying you ARE mafia, just that everyone should be careful
4) Camlito himself stated that my arguments made sense so don't pass me off as a retard
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 22:23:53
December 16 2008 22:23 GMT
#429
On December 17 2008 07:16 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 07:13 chaoser wrote:
Ace, please don't try to discredit me by saying i'm a retard. my arguments made lots of sense:
1) pming someone on blind trust is weird and very risky
2) blues shouldn't give their roles out to anyone by pm just yet. Much less all of them to one person.
3) i'm not saying you ARE mafia, just that everyone should be careful
4) Camlito himself stated that my arguments made sense so don't pass me off as a retard


look I'm going to put this extremely fucking simple so you and your lackey just stop the nonsense:

1.) Who said I know all the blue roles?
2.) Why would I be so dumb, that on the first day of the game, with 0 clues pointing to ver, as a mafia member out him and get him killed?

Really, it's extremely simple - I'm not mafia.


Before I die tonight I'm trying to make sure the town get as much critical info as possible so that nothign is left up to you and your inner circle. The whole of you are all useless.


1) i never said you knew all the blue roles, just that you wanted the blues to pm you (i can quote if i have to)
2) like i said, it is very possible, and i've seen this strat used before in mafia games, for the mafia to sac a fellow mafia member to gain the trust of the town.
3) once again, i never said you were mafia, only for everyone to be a bit careful, not necessarily of you but just in general
4) i have no lackeys. i only told attackzerg to look at clues and to be as careful as possible. clearly he didn't listen but that's ok, he's new to the game.
5) if you are going to call people who support what i said retards then you'd have to count camlito in as well since he aid he understood where i was coming from with my statements

6) finally, i'd just like to state that i never wanted there to be bad blood between us. if what i've done has made you feel like i've done something wrong, then i'm sorry. let's work on this together
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 22:48 GMT
#435
also, martyr, please protect ace tonight
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 16 2008 23:01 GMT
#439
On December 17 2008 07:59 malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 07:48 chaoser wrote:
also, martyr, please protect ace tonight

At night this player can send me another player's name, and if that player dies that night or any other night after the Martyr dies instead. I think the martyr is on ace already.


if martyr was on ace, ace won't have lost one of his hits since he's a veteran
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 17 2008 03:53 GMT
#465
no one is silenced, that only can happen after night 2
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 17 2008 04:50 GMT
#470
silenced people can't do anything msg wise
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 08:59:07
December 17 2008 08:57 GMT
#495
not to be rude but you're dead camlito, so no posting in the thread? also, the medics are kinda bad for not really noticing the clues but then again, maybe they were protecting other people they thought needed protection?

as ace had suggested, scar and i needed it?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 17 2008 09:25 GMT
#498
On December 17 2008 17:59 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 17:49 Camlito wrote:
I would like to say again these medics suck.

Yeah serously, how can you not protect the person who owned mafia 3

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 17:57 chaoser wrote:
not to be rude but you're dead camlito, so no posting in the thread? also, the medics are kinda bad for not really noticing the clues but then again, maybe they were protecting other people they thought needed protection?

as ace had suggested, scar and i needed it?

Why you, your pointless? Cam us one of the best mafia players out there


how would i know? ace suggested it, i don't know what he thinks all the time or even any of the time. go ask him
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 18 2008 01:35 GMT
#582
On December 18 2008 10:33 blue_arrow wrote:
These people please post, you don't have to contribute a 2000 world analysis, just say hi or something, we must find out who was silenced:

ydg
kdog3683
Zbir
artanis[xp]
softer
kuja900
jeejee
MidnightGladius
venomo45



we get told who the silenced person is
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-18 01:51:04
December 18 2008 01:50 GMT
#586
On December 18 2008 01:16 Caller wrote:
I guess I should come out by the way.

I am the last DT.

I gave Ace and another undisclosed secure person the Folca list and another list that I can't tell you right now, because I didn't want to suicide myself to kill one mafia-I wanted at least 3 of them down. You can confirm this with Ace.

Why am I coming out? Because I've already used my listchecks, and rolechecks would be a stab in the dark. More importantly I'm pretty sure I'm already targeted for being an active townie, so hopefully this way I can get some medic protection. And I feel I need to defend Ace's integrity here from all these false allegations.

Ace I am pretty sure is innocent, otherwise I would be dead, no?

Vigs should go hit capek and fishball as I am highly positive that attackzerg is just a stupid townie.

edit: As for medics, if you want to protect me, please pm me before you do so.

edit 2: misspoke lol


caller already confirmed that he was the one that gave the list
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 18 2008 01:59 GMT
#590
On December 18 2008 10:58 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
This ain't fucking Shakespeare. Let's use words we all understand


what words are we using that people can't understand?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 18 2008 04:32 GMT
#638
he can only use it after the 2nd night, it's not after yet
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 18 2008 16:32 GMT
#687
totally got ggraped -_-;;
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