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Here's an updated list because I'm nice  notes at bottom
decafchicken - 7
~OpZ~
Amber[LighT]
Alventenie
Scorch
xDark.Carnivalx
goldenkrnboi
KH1031
Folca - 16
Ace
decafchicken
Bockit
bumatlarge
MidnightGladius
RtS)Night[Mare
MTF
BloodyC0bbler
Camlito
Jimtudor
clazziquai
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor
nemY
fusionsdf
Ace - 12
HeRoS)Pink
mikeymoo
Empyrean
araav
Artanis
G.s)NarutO
ShadowDrgn
Lenwe
ZBiR
fanatacist
Caller
Folca
Abstain -7
XCetron
KF91
wurm
Falcynn
SoleSteeler
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too)
FakeSteve[TPR]
MidnightGladius
Plexa
JeeJee
Chezinu
The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list.
Italicized people are just general suspects of mine.
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Swapping my vote to Ace as well.
updating list:
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On November 04 2008 09:43 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 09:05 Bockit wrote:
The argument that
losing a dt doesn't equal killing a mafia because they don't lose killing power
is incredibly flawed. Let me put it this way. If he is a dt and we lynch ace, he dies tonight, 100% guaranteed. There won't be any extra information to get, because he will be dead. If he isn't a dt, we just killed a mafia because I don't believe a townie is gonna be that stupid to roleclaim detective and accuse someone who has an important a role as ace.
Yes I'm saying ace has a role, it's not one of roles listed in the OP, it's a meta role. Ace will say something and people will listen. This is important to have, even if it is a double edged sword (If he's wrong... or mafia). If he is mafia, we find out if folca flips blue. And vigilantes or we kill him the next day. If Folca flips red, we still don't have confirmation on ace, but it looks better for him.
To emphasis this again.
If we don't kill folca today, and Ace flips red, he dies tonight. Any argument for getting extra information is flawed. I dont know it seems to balance out to me if we lynch folca, mafia wont kill ace (either he is mafia or an unattractive target) So we will have to kill him the next night if he is mafia if we lynch ace, and hes mafia, mafia will kill folca this night, but at least ace is dead If we lynch ace and hes not mafia, we have to wait until the next night to lynch him so really it comes down to who you believe more, and who would be more useful to the town. We know if folca is innocent he will be killed by mafia right away. If Ace is innocent, they might kill him right away (since town now knows he innocent, mafia might as well get him out of the way) honestly, I dont know which way to go on this one it seems we have to lynch either ace or folca (if you vote for neither I really dont know what the fuck youre doing), but its not clear which one is best to vote for (this post is probably incomprehensible because Im tired as hell)
if mafia kills folca tonight then that's one hit for someone else who didn't play as boneheaded to be not dead. Not to mention they might suicide folca on the chance that someone is protecting him tonight.
If we lynch folca now we don't get that chance. He's dead today or tonight or tomorrow anyways, that's not an issue, worst case scenario we just vig him or something.
By the way mad hatters if you are out there i would put a bomb on midnightgladius and possibly decafchicken right now.
edit: MTF your argument does make sense but it is still flawed in the sense that you've forgotten what if both of them are mafia. Under the assumption that Folca did a dumb play (which I doubt as mafia is too highly organized for this), why would they do something so stupid? Answer: to keep one of their brethren and give them higher status. This would explain why a large amount of people voted for Folca randomly, as by lynching folca, if he flips red that would "mean" Ace is "green" which may or may not be the case.
Or they vote for him b/c he's a blue and by making us waste a lynch and not one of their hits they get an advantage here.
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Here's an updated list because I'm nice notes at bottom
decafchicken - 8
~OpZ~
Amber[LighT]
Alventenie
Scorch
xDark.Carnivalx
goldenkrnboi
KH1031
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Folca - 15
Ace
decafchicken
Bockit
bumatlarge
MidnightGladius
RtS)Night[Mare
MTF
BloodyC0bbler
Camlito
Jimtudor
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor
nemY
fusionsdf
Ace - 15
HeRoS)Pink
mikeymoo
Empyrean
araav
Artanis
G.s)NarutO
ShadowDrgn
Lenwe
ZBiR
fanatacist
Caller
Folca
Falcynn
clazziquai
ulszz
Abstain -4
XCetron
KF91
wurm
SoleSteeler
Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too)
FakeSteve[TPR]
MidnightGladius
Plexa
JeeJee
Chezinu
The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list.
Italicized people are just general suspects of mine.
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On November 04 2008 10:07 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 08:11 Caller wrote:Here's an updated list because I'm nice notes at bottom decafchicken - 7~OpZ~ Amber[LighT] Alventenie Scorch xDark.Carnivalx goldenkrnboi KH1031 Folca - 16Acedecafchicken Bockit bumatlarge MidnightGladiusRtS)Night[Mare MTF BloodyC0bbler Camlito Jimtudor clazziquai
[GiTM]-Ace
aZnvaLiaNce
Mandalor nemY fusionsdf Ace - 12HeRoS)Pink mikeymoo Empyrean araav Artanis G.s)NarutO ShadowDrgn Lenwe ZBiR fanatacist Caller Folca Abstain -7XCetron KF91 wurm Falcynn SoleSteeleriNfuNdiBuLuM Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too) FakeSteve[TPR] MidnightGladius Plexa JeeJeeChezinu The bolded area is the Folca train, namely, four consecutive folca vote posts without any justification at all. Perhaps more interesting is that two of them are on my clues list. Italicized people are just general suspects of mine. I explained in an earlier post i thought. voting decaf= stupid might as well pick a number on the list and vote them if your gonna vote decaf. So that leaves ace of folca and well I believe ace more so im voting folca. If folca is DT we kill ace no biggie. If folca is mafia we get rid of 1 plus keep a strong player. If we do ace and ace is mafia folca is dead anyway. So either way folca is gonna die right. But there is still a chance at an innocent making it out of this without dying.
what are you talking about
an innocent that makes it out of this dying? they'll kill someone else tonight either way. Better to let them kill an exposed DT than us. Ideally we wouldn't kill either, but people are blind so the 2nd best option is Ace.
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DONT LYNCH FOLCA
SOMEONE SWAP LOL
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On November 04 2008 13:45 Ace wrote:and if you were mafia I'd figure you'd try to get me killed by any means necessary, even if it includes putting someone else in the line of fire so you don't take the hit. EDIT: Missed a period.
O.O collusion?
i have this feeling that all of the good players are mafia and we're all about to get royally assscrewed ahahahahaha
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On November 04 2008 14:26 Alventenie wrote:
I bet if he isn't, i die tonight, and if he is, i die tonight.
this
dont bother saving us medics we're doomed anyways
i kinda hope he turns out green just for the complete lols
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On November 04 2008 14:28 Chuiu wrote:![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) [noClueArea] Split in their decision the town finally came to a majority when they voted down [red] Folca to be lynched. Many would come to question this decision. [/blue]
GEEEEE GEEEEEEEE
GEEEEEEE GEEEEEEEE
JJJJJJJJ GEEEE unit
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4. decafchicken
27. Ace
28. MidnightGladius
these guys
GOGO VIGILANTES
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On November 04 2008 14:31 Ace wrote:
erm what? I'm not mafia. Folca's death doesn't prove that.
dont try and bullshit us
he role checked u mafia
he blue detective
????
PROFIT.
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actually if ur a mad hatter
4. decafchicken
27. Ace
28. MidnightGladius
put bombs on em just in case u get hit tonight.
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On November 04 2008 14:33 Alventenie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 14:31 Caller wrote:
4. decafchicken
27. Ace
28. MidnightGladius
these guys
GOGO VIGILANTES Sigh, you cannot use vigilantes on night 1. Hence why lynching folca doesnt do anything except say, hey we lynch Ace tomorrow.
look at my new profile lawl
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On November 04 2008 14:34 Ace wrote:
Folca died pointing a finger at five people.
As the biggest threat, I obviously would be the prime candidate. That does not mean he investigated me. Folca and another DT probably colluded, with Folca investigating decaf or gladius and the other DT investigating me.
Of course, Folca doesn't even know if the other DT was legit and before he died he never told us. So you're wrong.
On November 03 2008 12:28 Folca wrote:
Ok, just asked Chuiu if this was possible, and its not against the rules, so here it fucking goes
Im a detective, now dont stop reading this shit
I just pmed chuiu my ability to see of Ace is the mafia
Answer : Yes
Now, Im not ganna keep this hiding, because Ace is a huge influence in this game, and im not ganna risk getting lynched by next morning to spit out the information
Yes Ace could actually help the townies by targetting mafias, but im not ganna risk my death by next morning, so here it goes
Now just like Ace said, I'll prove myself by sacraficing myself to see that im the detective
If I am detective like I said, Take out Ace Townies, Special Roles, good luck killing the rest of the mafia
lol
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On November 04 2008 14:36 clazziquai wrote:
So we should use our Mad Hatters tonight, correct?
jawohl
im way too overenthusiastic i'm definitely going to get owned tonight lawl
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I know there is absolutely no way of proving my innocence, and that this indeed could be seen as evidence.
But if you have information you'd like to share, special roles and mafia, please send it to me, even if its by a proxy or something. I have nothing else to do and I have a long time. Also my brain is on hyperdrive right now.
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On November 04 2008 14:43 Ace wrote:
Caller if you just said earlier you think you'd die tonight, how does anyone sending you info do the town any good?
last will and testament, why else 
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this game has gone from stressful to absolutely hilarious
please go on
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On November 04 2008 14:48 Ace wrote:
Yo caller, j00 guys got some kinda plea bargain system?
i believe we can commute your death sentence to twenty years if you expose other mafias... hahaha.
i'm serious here though.
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