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On April 26 2008 09:20 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
So we need to link one of us to a clue. Any lead on who of that list might have some dirt on them? (besides me being mr pink)
I have no suspicions of anyone on that list besides yourself and nemY. Personally, I feel nemY is a stronger suspect, though most others didn't seem to agree with me on that last round. Whatever the case, unless we find strong ties to one of you/someone else in the list, I think the Showtime! list will be left alone for the moment.
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On April 27 2008 01:08 nemY wrote:
Can someone put up a list of dead mafia aliases or at least what we expect are the dead mafia aliases?
Mandalor = Snake Charmer, confirmed by Snake Charmer being the only character not to show up after Mandalor's death.
d.arkive = Taipan Snake, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Taipan not showing up 'since d.arkive's death.
Queasy = Sidewinder, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Sidewinder not showing up after Queasy's death.
BlindAlbino = Black Mamba, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Black Mamba not showing up after BlindAlbino's death.
Evilmonkey = Mr. Red, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Mr. Red not showing up after Evilmonkey's death.
Crazie-Penguin = King Mountain Snake, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him.
L = Enigma, very likely, by clues alone.
This leaves Eddie, Joe, Mr. White, Mr. Black, Mr. Pink, Mr. Orange, Mr. Blue, Mr. Brown, Mr. Blonde, California Mountain Snake, The Wolf, Copperhead, and Cottonmouth.
Of those, I think we/I know for sure who three of them are:
White = ieatkids5 (Seems that I'm the only one who thinks so at this point, though.)
Black = DamageControl (Due to clues/inactivity here while being active elsewhere in the site)
Blonde = Ninja4ever. (Due to clues.)
And am fairly sold on three others:
Mr. Orange = Clazziquai (Clues, general inactivity here whilst being active elsewhere)
Copperhead = 0cz3c (Clues.)
The Wolf = suresh0t (Clues.)
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On April 27 2008 17:32 Plexa wrote:
also note that qrs has been resistant to Ace/Town since Day 0 and generally annoying to everyone involved. Although he did set MTF straight when MTF couldn't add
Indeed. : x
Just for that, I'm fairly sure he's innocent. Cleared up suspicions of MasterOfChaos that I had the first time around, and then showed me where the numbers were truly adding up instead of where I was looking for them the second time around.
I have no real comments on the rest. I would like to know what ahara_'s quote means, too. I've never been able to interpret it in any good way.
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Random notes about things as I go through the lists:
I've noted this one before, but figured I should put it out there now, 'since it's all over the place:
Note #1:
- Someone seems to have a link to people dying slowly by bleeding to death. These four quotes all come from different Mafia killings. Perhaps we should look into something that kills/is killed by bleeding things out.
Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
NeaX didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.
and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
Then to finish him off he made long gashes into useLess and left him to bleed to death.
Note about California Mountain Snake:
- He is related to something clean/cleanliness. This appears both times he has shown up, and though it may just be metaphors about sharpness appearing twice, I believe that Chuiu is a good deal more cautious than that. I mean, just look at Crazie-Penguins' subtle slapped and maddened references.
He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess,
Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
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On April 29 2008 04:53 Ace wrote:
agreed. Lynch Sureshot next.
I fully support this, provided that Day (whenever Mafia kindly decides to get into gear again) doesn't provide us strong evidence against one of the people on the Showtime! list or points to somene not suresh0t.
Any theories on why Mafia are taking multiple days to get together a simple list again? I'm vainly starting to believe that they may be giving up at this point, seeing so much stacked against them. 
On April 29 2008 14:12 Alethios wrote:
So a pardoner must 'pre-pardon' so to speak? Conceivably then the pardoner could pardoner somebody who doesn't end up with the most votes?
Interesting...
I think it's "can" rather than "must". Can pardon someone without ever looking at the voting thread, but could also wait all the way up to a few hours after voting is closed, which is why Chuiu always waits a few hours to write it up, probably: for the pardoner's sake.
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On April 29 2008 15:30 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2008 15:24 MTF wrote:On April 29 2008 04:53 Ace wrote:
agreed. Lynch Sureshot next. I fully support this, provided that Day (whenever Mafia kindly decides to get into gear again) doesn't provide us strong evidence against one of the people on the Showtime! list or points to somene not suresh0t. I disagree, im not convinced of sureshot unless the day post point conclusively to him.. i would much rather explore DamageControl
I'm fairly convinced of suresh0t (plus he's in Mandalor, which is pretty much 25% chance of being right by just guessing at this point), but I would also fully support DamageControl being put to the gallows.
Something to note: No matter who we kill tomorrow, if we hit Mafia or not, and Ace is roleblocked, we can not bring down their killing power. As such, seeing as we only have one vote, it may be wiser to target a suspect from the Mandalor list (1/4 Mafia) instead of someone in the Non-Mandalor list (1/10-1/13). Because even if we miss and suresh0t turns up green, we further tighten the noose around those in the Mandalor list.
Even so, I'd support DamageControl being lynched, seeing as I've repeatedly said I believe your interpretation was very strong, just as I'd support suresh0t. Both of them are Mafia in my eyes, but I'm more strongly inclined by DamageControl's clues and yet swayed also by suresh0t's position in the lists.
I'll pick more decisively which of the two (or someone completely new) when Day comes.
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On April 29 2008 17:32 Ace wrote:
What was the evidence against ieatkids5 again? I think he was another sound suspect.
ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +
His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." All scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last in. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 and Day 7 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he has only once engaged in a fight directly. All other times he only shows up at the end to make the finishing blow. I believe this is a strong connection. There are numerous possible references to Mr. White being lazy as well.
If we're sticking to those suspects specifically, I'm split between Clazziquai and ieatkids5, with Ninja and suresh0t trailing a short bit behind them.
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I'm really not sure of SoMuchBetter being Mafia. I think his inactivity is more explained by him not getting Mayor and Ghar, who he apparently knows in real life and tried to defend despite town being dead-set on lynching him (a big thing I don't see a Mafia doing so early in the game, trying to save a seemingly 100% guilty townie), getting taken out.
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I don't really have time for clue analysis right now, but I'll update lists:
Lists:
Mandalor List: - 3 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +
01-ShaLLoW[baY]
02-SoMuchBetter
03-Eti307
06-clazziquai
11-ieatkids5
17-randombum { Pardoner }
21-Alethios
27-nemY
28-ZBiR
31-Energies
34-RtS)Night[Mare
36-Unforgiven_ve
39-Romance_us
42-SonuvBob
43-NatsuTerran
48-qrs
50-Artanis[Xp]
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM
56-Camlito
58-Lysithea
59-fanatacist
60-SoleSteeler
67-0cz3c
71-GeneralStan
78-BWdero
82-Ninja4ever.
85-ahrara_
87-Pangolin
89-butidigress
91-Scorch
92-Jimtudor
97-suresh0t
103-SpiritoftheTuna
Total: 33 people, 9 Mafia.
Showtime! List: - 0 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +
8-CDRdude
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)
Total: 7 people, 1 Mafia.
People Not On Mandalor List: - 2 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +
HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
Fen
Wizard
imDerek
Puosu
infinity21
Alventenie
SiZ.Fantasy
Amber[Light]
Vharox
fgsvsd
KF91
MasterOfChaos
LTT
str
Kuja900
araav
More_Minerals
LostYourSkills
Heros)Pink
Korvspad
Bockit
Ziel
Hollander
Supah
jtan
Spoinka
DamageControl
omfghi2u2
RowdierBob
AmorVincitOmnia
Wysp
Bugzltoonl
DTDominion
rpf
Total: 38 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia.
Don't understand why they didn't take all of their kills from the Non-Mandalor list - it makes no logical sense, but I'm not gonna complain.
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Alright, some loose conclusions and random notes.
Random Notes:
The following phrase is previously recurring: (quoted portions are those added today)
+ Show Spoiler [Chance] +chances weren't good. he took his chances with Unfortunately Mynocks fortunately they a lucky kick Unfortunately Dinmsab had Coincidentally Fishball Unfortunately for Joe Mafia Present for Each Day Phrase Appears - Eddie
New repeating phrase:
+ Show Spoiler [Charade] +ended the charade end his charades Mafia Present for Each Day Phrase Appears - Black, Eddie, Pink, Brown, Joe
Joe:
- Possibly connected to confusion. The following quotes only appear around Joe.
He was confused in his response
He was quite confused as he saw
Evidence to Support Unforgiven Possibly Being Joe:
- All links are being drawn from Unforgiven's profile picture.
- Joe is generally supportive and gives a thumbs up.
- Joe is smiling in the last Day post
- Joe may be short. See:
he ran over and jumped onto the top of the car causing a huge indentation. Naib got out of his car as fast as he could to see Joe standing up. Joe then kicked Naib in the face, being in the perfect spot to do so
Also note that Joe needed help getting Queasy into his car and that Chuiu did not specify where aznvaliance was grabbed when Joe grabbed him from behind.
Mr. Brown:
- Mr.Brown is still hanging out with Mr. Pink - has yet to show up on his own, ever.
- May be connected to music.
humming a little tune to get his mind off the violence.
People With Musical Ties:
+ Show Spoiler +
Shallow[Bay] - Breaking Benjamin song.
CDRdude - CDR is an acronym for conductor.
Bugzltoonl - Has a Jimi Hendrix quote.
AmorVincitOmnia - Has lyrics to a song and three women from a musical group for a profile picture. (So far as I can tell)
RowdierBob - Life is Pain is a song by Leftover Crack.
suresh0t - Lyrics in profile are from the song Rise Up!!
Scorch - Lyrics in profile are from the song Know Your Enemy.
jtan - Quote is the title of a song.
Ziel - Quote is the title of a song.
nemY - Lyrics in profile are from the song Stone.
Clazziquai - Korean band.
Mr. Pink:
I think everyone who was pointing at Nightmare may have been correct. See:
Zeks put up a bit of a fight as he took on Mr. Pink, but Mr. Pink was determined to make him feel some pain. He finally got him into a corner and pulled out a can and a lighter. Mr. Pink emptied the contents of the can onto Zeks and lit him on fire. Zeks tried to put the fire out by rolling on the ground but it kept burning. He was about to get up and pull off his clothes but Mr. Pink decided he had suffered enough and knocked Zeks unconscious and let him burn to death.
Pain makes one suffer.
Suffering makes one think.
Thinking makes one wise.
And Wisdom makes life bearable.
Summation: Pink wants to cause pain and does so. Zeks feels pain and tries to put out the fire, but fails and thus suffers. He then comes to the conclusion after such suffering (thinking -> wisdom) to take off his clothing to stop the burning, which might be construed as making life bearable. Pink judges he's had enough suffering and knocks him unconscious.
His posting record seems fairly pro-town with some analysis here and there, but then again, that's exactly how I'd describe L's posts.
Mr. Black:
- Mr. Black again attacks with a knife and has the specific word "drove" attached to him for the second time.
- Mr. Black seems to be stopping/cutting things off.
Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door
GrayArea had no escape at this point
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Hmm. I don't know if I agree that it's who we should be lynching today, though I agree in general with lynching these two people. I feel we'll get a mafia for sure in ieatkids5, and while I'm not 100% on LostYourSkills, I'm willing to take the chance that he is.
I'd suggest DamageControl and Nightmare to replace, but we can target them in coming days and I suppose it gives us more time to make their cases more concrete.
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On May 02 2008 10:26 Chuiu wrote:
Moving to night tomorrow night after another vote count. The activity of this game fails, I might just decide to start killing off people on both sides.
A way to approach this problem fairly is, after next vote, you take 6 (or 5 if we hit two Mafia tomorrow) non-voting townies and kill them off and one non-voting mafia. That way townies don't get more of their numbers killed off by ratio than Mafia.
I think it's a good idea to enforce the rule of voting (not voting once or twice should be ok, but not voting ever/a lot there is no excuse for) for both Mafia and townies, but if you're gonna start killing people off, I think it should definitely be by Mafia's current killing power to keep ratios fair.
Just putting it out there. :p
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On May 02 2008 11:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
MTF is encouraging townie deaths. He's Mafia, get 'im boys!
Shit, you saw right through me. D:
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Okay, I PMed every single person who had yet to vote today this:
+ Show Spoiler +Subject: Mafia I'm mass PMing here, so no thoughts of targeting. Chuiu has recently brought up the possibility of starting to kill of those who aren't being active (aka, at least voting) so I'm PMing all those who have yet to vote as a sort of notice. So, if you don't want randomly offed, mafia or not: Current Vote Thread
If they even check TL tomorrow/over the next few days for the next voting phase, there's really no excuse for anybody. Please, please seriously consider killing off inactives for both sides, Chuiu. It'd streamline the game and you wouldn't have to write clues about the mafia who aren't even contributing.
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On May 02 2008 15:10 Hollander wrote:You know, everytime you PM-spam a forum, a 14 yo tugs it.. And when someone tugs it, God kills a kitten, which means MTF just killed lots and lots of kittens + Show Spoiler +Kill MTF for killing kittens!
But hey, it got you to vote, didn't it? 
Those kittens shall be remembered as martyrs for their bravery under God-fire, which surely justifies their inescapable doom.
O, and Moo had the goatee of Satan. It was just a matter of time for him anyway.
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"Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now."
In both of the following, Mr. White is not involved in the fighting at all until the quoted portion.
He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.
But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.
Then, even ignoring that he attacked only during the killing blow for those two:
Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.
Mr. White was last up that night.
And finally, the following might further indicate laziness.
"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
(Note: Not directly attached to any specific Mafia.) Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory.
All told, I feel we have a stronger suspect in DamageControl, and more to possibly gain from taking a stab at someone from the Showtime! list. Out of the two we're lynching today, though? I think ieatkids5 is going to turn up red and LYS might. I'm hoping they both do, needless to say, but I'm personally (and I know I'm not agreed with universally) more convinced of ieatkids than of LYS.
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On May 02 2008 18:23 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 10:25 Chuiu wrote:
Vote Count:
Alethios
MoRe_mInErAls
KorvspaD
MoRe_mInErAls(2) This is strange. I don't think Alethios or KorvspaD were mentioned in any serious evidence analysis. Why would MoRe_mInErAls vote for them? Though I have no particular evidence against More_Minerals, I think it's at least worth noting his... uhm ... alternative views on who to vote for.
He does have a rather odd voting record! It's worth looking into.
But, I dunno. L tried kind of hard to put him up for lynching before he started accusing Amber[Light], and his little mission against More_Minerals started before he was even put up as a suspect. That coupled with the fact that there really haven't been any clues towards him leads me to believe he's probably innocent. We should still keep odd voting records in mind, though.
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Like, I totally called it. 
Well, at least that checks off Mr. White.
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Updated lists. Voting records revamped and updated in later post.
Lists:
Mandalor List:
+ Show Spoiler +
01-ShaLLoW[baY]
02-SoMuchBetter
03-Eti307
06-clazziquai
17-randombum { Pardoner }
21-Alethios
27-nemY
28-ZBiR
31-Energies
34-RtS)Night[Mare
36-Unforgiven_ve
39-Romance_us
42-SonuvBob
43-NatsuTerran
48-qrs
50-Artanis[Xp]
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM
56-Camlito
58-Lysithea
59-fanatacist
60-SoleSteeler
67-0cz3c
71-GeneralStan
78-BWdero
82-Ninja4ever.
85-ahrara_
87-Pangolin
89-butidigress
91-Scorch
92-Jimtudor
97-suresh0t
103-SpiritoftheTuna
Total: 32 people, 8 Mafia. Ratio is an even 1/4.
People Not On Mandalor List:
+ Show Spoiler +
HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
Fen
Wizard
imDerek
Puosu
infinity21
Alventenie
SiZ.Fantasy
Amber[Light]
Vharox
fgsvsd
KF91
MasterOfChaos
LTT
str
Kuja900
araav
More_Minerals
LostYourSkills
Heros)Pink
Korvspad
Bockit
Ziel
Hollander
Supah
jtan
Spoinka
DamageControl
omfghi2u2
RowdierBob
AmorVincitOmnia
Wysp
Bugzltoonl
DTDominion
rpf
Total: 37 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia. Ratio is a dismal 1/12 or nearly 1/9.
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Edit: Added to later post.
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