it wasn't a bad luck - it IS the result of giving the mafia too much information as questions for idintification who is who. got it? we got one mafia member this way - but lost too fucking many blues...

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 03 2008 06:55 GMT

#3616

Now Chuiu, off-line mafia games have something like giving the dead person some last speech. Would be nice to hear the dead detectives...

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 06:34 GMT

#3679

On April 04 2008 08:24 qrs wrote:
Waiting on Ace, but so far, araav seems at least suspicious, given what we know: viz, he got into a chatroom and had a chance to see the names of people who had roles. He's never really addressed what happened there.

Araav, I think it's time for you to explain yourself. How did you find it, why did you go there, what did you see there? And why did two detectives die last night?

qrs, you were more attentive to what happened at the beginning... I already answered the accusations "several pages ago" (c).

On March 28 2008 16:21 araav wrote:
Guys, I kindly ask everybody - please do not use bad words when referring to me - even with "if".
Remember - this is a game - a good game thanks to Chuiu, please do not ruin it for us.

Also, remmeber the nature of the game for the future. You do not necessarily believe to ideas thrown here by random people, unless you are 100% sure they are townies. Sometimes dumb towneis can ruin the game by really stupid moves.

Now, for stupid moves. Throwing in this idea was really stupid of Showtime (or Ace, if he stands after this).
if Showtime's a townie:
come on - mafia already knows this is false, so whom you are fucking with - with townies? want to lure some dumb mafia into this and find him out? do you really think mafia members would be so dumb?

if Showtime's a mafia:
this is somewhat logical for a mafia member to distract the town's usual day-flow of smart guys' analyzing the clues, making good points, etc. But still dumb enough. Do you think Ace is stupid to collect the "blues" together? Even if there was 1% chance of haveing a fake blue there that must not happned.

<-> (like Tracil did

)

overall...... something is not right out here... from one hand it seems that Showtime is green, as the killed mafia member was panicing and Ace brought some info in...

form the other hand - what the hell is he doing?

Now, let's analyze the situation and try to understand what really happened with hindsight.

if Showtime's a townie:
come on - mafia already knows this is false, so whom you are fucking with - with townies? want to lure some dumb mafia into this and find him out? do you really think mafia members would be so dumb?

it turned out Showtime is a green. so why on earth was he talking about? Why Ace supported him saying "at that moment, when araav entered there were at most 5-6 blues"? Why on earth was Showtime in the "channel of clues"? What really happened? I think these are the questions that Ace can answer only.

What I did? I proposed rolechecking wurm and only then lynch him...
I proposed to cast my vote for Ace or randombum to check it... still it can be checked coz i voted for Ghar. and Ace must already have the number. the check will be a bit harder, because some mess happened with the voting there... but that mess can still narrow down the list...

I also proposed randombum was checked... it was an easy check - he would simply vote for Ace. that's a very easy way to verify him.

I explained already how so many blues - especially detectives could get killed.

I also proposed to save Empy... I wrote lots of words with explanations and implications why should he be voted for pardoner... still... randombum was elected.

now I propose
- Ace to tell us EVERY single thing he knows (except the blue names)
- the others - follow what Plexa does - this guy analyzes... we have to rely to that only from now on...

we can't make any stupid moves anymore. Mafia did a very good job. they removed obstacles - few at a tim - but steadily. so from one point they will have 9 kills a night. we need to reduce this number with every lynch...

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 10:00 GMT

#3684

On April 04 2008 18:19 Scorch wrote:
regarding araav's case, Showtime! told me in a PM that araav is a plain townie after the "hacking" incident:

Show nested quote +

i have no way of knowing if this is true, considering showtime's generally strange behavior. on the other hand, he turned up townie after his death, so he probably wouldn't have a reason to lie. i suspect araav was detective role-checked as was stated in the thread and turned out to be green. furthermore, there aren't any hard clues against araav. so i suggest we leave him alone.
note that this PM came long before Showtime's death, so nothing of this is against the rules.

hmmm, should i thank you for "stupid townie" reference? :-/
Showtime was calling me names because I accused his townie behavior as stupid - as it really was.

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 10:01 GMT

#3685

where is Ace?

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 10:06 GMT

#3686

suresh0t seems a real suspect as of now

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 10:23 GMT

#3688

reasons from your list - hammer, super shot

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 10:38 GMT

#3690

w/e he is, he fits under some clues

edit: fits, not feets :D

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 11:15 GMT

#3694

yeah, Plexa, very nice job!

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

April 04 2008 11:30 GMT

#3695

btw, do not wait Ace.
He may be somewhat humiliated after these failures, if he's a townie of course.

I wonder who of the detectives checked him

For the next game I propose adding the ability for the dead people to post one message after they die.

Or better - before the day lights - before anyone knows they are dead - they may send their will - any text - to Chuiu. If the person dies Chuiu publishes the dead person's will (in OP or special blog).