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k so let me get this straight, Plexa made the list around day 4 right? people start dying before/around then, and during this time the IRC incident happens right? Ok. Then it suddenly STOPS (the blue killings)... later on L dies who is supposed to be an informant (fake medic) and no more blues die en masse. Note L was stopped of knowing blues long before that.
Now recently Bockit was made staff, and soon after all our blues start dying. Then you say mandalor found the list.... Mandalor is dead? how can he find the list when its done after hes dead WITHOUT cheating?
My point is, it all doesn't add up, somewhere cheating has happened and it pisses me off -.-.
edit: Also if what L sais is true, and mandalor found the list, why have blues not been dying nonstop through all the days? if he found the list, and plexa constantly updated it, then why have blues not died nonstop? Surely mafia would have known the URL all game, unless the reason they died early was IRC or L, and right now its finding the list. The only way they found the list now is A. Bockit used mod powers or B. Mandalor cheated when hes DEAD and found the list.
gah this is annoying
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L never knew about any blues. Medics only got assignments, no inside info.
Well interesting thing is if Mandalor searched threads for his name ROOOOOOOOOOOFL.
Go ahead, do a search for "Mandalor". True dedication.
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oh ok my bad, so it was the IRC incident, but someone pretended to be araav?
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For those of you too lazy to search for Mandalor...
Here are the results:
On the first page there were "100 results from 3 threads of 907 total results"
907... thats a fucking huge amount of shit to sift through... just on the off chance that somebody might have posted up a list that could help you.
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To clarify:
The plexa ninja edit is on Page 7.. Not distinguished from any other post about Mandalor. It's not the first, not the last... nothing shows that it was made by Plexa... nothing.
So you expect us to believe he siffted through over 600 virtually identical posts about him before finally hitting upon a Gold Mine? A likely story.
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I really urge the town to search eddie please. Read the clues from plexas last interpretation, read the most recent clues, go through profiles in the list and ANYTHING, right now theres nothing on eddie and not even a confirmed style.
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Breaking News!
Before we lynch Bockit townies, lynch randombum. This has been a long time in the works and a lot of people have contributed over time, so here is the overall analysis.
Clues.
I can't remember who it was that brought it up SO long ago, but someone said that a "bum like" clue appeared in a Day post. It pointed to both bumatlarge and randombum but we all dropped it. Well bumatlarge turned out to be INNOCENT. Added to that, look at these clue interpretations that ALL point to randombum.
+ Show Spoiler +
Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. (this is a random event)
Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground (again an unexpected, random event) Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.
he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work (interesting choice of words?) for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him.
Mr. Black approached the last target for the night, GrayArea. He found him taking out the trash before going to bed that night and ambushed him as he headed back. Throwing some foul smelling bones from the trash at GrayArea he got his attention. (why wash e hanging around the trash for?) GrayArea saw what was left of the dinner he caught on the ground and no sooner did he notice Mr. Black than was he already being attacked by him. Mr. Black drove a knife through GrayArea's arm and it sent him flinching back. He grabbed his arm and ran back towards the house to try to get help or call the cops. But Mr. Black sprinted after him and stabbed again in his back. GrayArea convulsed from the attack and fell to the ground. GrayArea had no escape at this point and Mr. Black finished him off by stabbing him through the heart from the back to finish him.
Mr. Black wasn't out to find someone to kill he was just looking for a bar still open (oh i wonder why? perhaps he's a homeless drunk?) when he came across MoRe_mInErAls. Seeing no one around he thought to himself what an easy kill this would be so he took the opportunity and began to sneak up on MoRe_mInErAls. MoRe_mInErAls was standing outside an unmarked building as if guarding it when he noticed an eerie aroma wafting about. (this guy likes trash remember?) Right when he was about to investigate Mr. Black was behind him and choking him with a piece of rope. MoRe_mInErAls struggled and gasped for air, he tried hitting Mr. Black but only succeeding in knocking them both to the ground. He struggled another moment until finally MoRe_mInErAls died from suffocation.
Look at this piece again
when he came across MoRe_mInErAls. Seeing no one around he thought to himself what an easy kill this would be so he took the opportunity and began to sneak up on MoRe_mInErAls. MoRe_mInErAls was standing outside an unmarked building as if guarding it when he noticed an eerie aroma wafting about.
More_Minerals was my bodyguard. But as Pardoner, randombum was ALSO being guarded by MM. Notice Mr.Black came up behind him and strangled him. Obviously catching MM off-guard from the one place MM wouldn't suspect - inside the very building he was guarding.
Night drew on Liquidia and the town was filled with confidence. Day after day they were pinning down those with criminal intent. But that didn't mean the mafia weren't through. Their first victim this night was Energies. The mafia thought he posed a threat to them so he was number one on their list. Mr. Black crept into his room when he was sleeping trying his best not to wake Energies but an overwhelming stench wafted in with him and crinkled his nose. (stop eating garbage ffs) Energies sat up abruptly and looked around the room spotting Mr. Black. He reached for the gun at his bedside and fired off two rounds at Mr. Black but he had retreated into the hallway and began planning a new course of action. Energies chased after Mr. Black as fast he could into the hallway but didn't expect him to be right in front of him, (random!!) he hesitated and Mr. Black was able to disarm him. Mr. Black kicked him back and grabbed the weapon off the floor, before Energies could get up he had two bullet holes in his chest. (what a thief!!)
Notes about Mr.Black
- He never brings a weapon to the scene
- Always steals people's weapons
- Smells and hangs out by trash
- Is random
- caught More_Minerals, a bodyguard off-guard while he was guarding an unmarked building
Behavior and Alliances
Probably the second most damning thing against randombum is his behavior this game. If you would please remember back in March when this game started what were the 2 major reasons people supported randombum?
1.) He was good at figuring out clues from the first game
2.) He was highly active via the mass PM before the game started
He promised to be very active. However, randombum has been pretty much gone the entire game. He hasn't even led us to any mafia members and he is supposed to be active. However, there is one more disturbing piece of information:
The Empyrean debacle.
Everyone look at the beginning of this game starting around page 18, and then look at the Day 1(Mayor) votes.
Remember who has been confirmed Mafia so far. We know Emp turned out innocent but look at the voting patterns and the reasons listed and make the connections. REMEMBER when we all said trusting Emp was bad and that we'd like to have RB as Pardoner right? Keep that in mind. And now look at how some suspected mafia and confirmed mafia voted:
BWdero
I vote for randombum
Reasoning: I like that he pm'd me. (I do realise it was a mass pm, but still)
And, as CDRdude pointed out, all his votes were spot on last game. Combine that with mayor voting power, and we have a mafiakiller on our hands.
qrs
I have to admit that the thought crossed my mind to run myself, but after seeing the explosion of posts on the first day--forget it. If the pace stays even close to this, I'll never be able to keep up. For that reason, I vote for randombum. He says that he'll have the time to spend on this game, and he proved it by sending out over 100 PMs.
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PS-Obviously, had I run, my campaign would not have been about me (who knows me?) but about my platform. So I may as well say what it would have been: these are the things I think are important for a mayor:
The Mayor by QRS
-Don't use double lynches unless we have a solid idea about who to use them on. In the last Mafia game, the town followed Tracil's rule of using double lynches every day (until they lynched the mayor) and they were both wasted. There is a limited supply, so we should use them wisely.
-Delegate. This game is so huge it will be very hard for one person to keep track of everything. Assign several people to keep track of people's profile quotes and any other evidence on them. Better, ask everyone to keep track of, say, the two people above them on the list of participants. That makes things more manageable.
(OK, it wasn't a huge platform. )
Ninja4ever
I vote for randombum !
========== Start thinking about the plan to get Randombum elected Pardoner about now
Shallow[bay]
i vote for randombum
PM's are an excellent method of votegetting
crazie=penguin
I withdraw my vote from Empyrean and give it to randombum as I've been swayed by recent posts in this blog and the Day 1 Thread and Ace seems to already have enough votes.
L
I vote for randombum on the basis that his candidacy was pre-game and the fact that he isn't Emp.
LTT
I change my vote to randombum as Bob needs a miracle and based on the current information I think it would be wise to avoid electing Emp.
unforgiven_ve
i vote for randombum i think he's trusthwhorty enough cause he was campaining PRE-game
wtf guys?
empyrean voted for Ace...and Ace voted for randonbum
someone running for mayor should/whould ABSTAIN or vote for someone whit no chance...this is just stupid/fishy i dont like what im seeing
Ocz3c
I honestly don't know who to think is mafia and who isn't, especially this early in the game.
Under these conditions, I should abstain...
But I guess the only person who actually asked for a vote from me was Randombum (and through a PM), and that was before the actual game began.
Ace has just wayyy too many votes, and that adds a lot of suspicions...
I vote for Randombum.
BlindAlbino
Changing my vote from Ace to Randombum, seems Ace/empyrean are in this together from recent posts
clazziqui
I change my vote from Ace to now randombum for mayor
Why?
I really do think Ace will be a good mayor. However, his plan is going into effect regardless of his position in the election. But his presentation of the plan was a powerful move that mafia could have used to secure the election and snipe the mayor position. randombum being the least likely person to be mafia due to his pre-game campaign would get the best of both worlds.
Queasy
I changed my vote to Ace on the pure notion that I just didn't want Empyrean in office. Since it looks like Empyrean is safely out of the running, I wish to change my vote from Ace to Randombum.
Look at the voting patterns especially toward the end and who voted for Randombum and the reasons (even though it was clear that Emp lost the race). It's important because I only got the Mayor vote by TWO votes. Mafia possibly were hoping enough people switched at the last minute to get randombum into office as Mayor.
Mandalor list
Keep in mind everything you have just read. Now look at the reduced Mandalor list:
shallow
zbir
ocz3c
romance_us
lysithea
randombum
jimtudor
bwdero
we are sure that 4 of these guys are Mafia.
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Maybe he didn't search for himself but for someone with few posts? I just tried spoinka (36 posts) for example and found it quite quickly. I don't know how Bockit's mod powers work, but I imagine he'd have to go over all edits in the whole forum in the last month, which isn't easy either.
We can lynch Bockit of course. His profile picture makes for some really nice evidence. But I wouldn't lynch him only because the hidden post was found. No mod power abuse is required to find that. Him not being on the Mandalor list lowers his chances of being mafia too.
That being said, I think it's plain stupid to publish such information without any protection. This should be done on an external site, with password protection. Same goes for the IRC channel: why didn't you put a password which you revealed to trustworthy people by PM?
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well thats if you search for someone on the list, how did he know there was even a list?
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Also I'm sure any of you that has been following this game knows I have never been too fond of qrs. He has been anti-Ace from Day 1 even when we all knew I was 100% innocent. He hasn't done much to help us except nod his head when MTF was pretty much dead on about a suspect.
Notice on the last page he knew about the publicly posted Mandalor list before I even revealed it. NONE of us that knew of it ever told him about it. How did qrs know about it?
Also qrs when Plexa accused LTT why did you stick up for him, knowing that we all knew Plexa was doing well with clues?
On May 24 2008 01:52 qrs wrote: Show nested quote + On May 24 2008 00:24 Plexa wrote:
Thus it leads me to conclude, that Mr Pink cannot be anyone in this fucking game apart from LTT
LTT is on bumatlarge's list of innocents, which has proven correct so far. I doubt that he's Mafia.
So qrs with that said just answer these TWO questions: How did you find out about the list and WHY did you defend LTT?
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Also can someone do like Cam said and find some links to Eddie please ^_^
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@Scorch:
The IRC channel was on a random server with a random channel name - no one would find it unless they were specifically looking for it or we somehow posted the info. If the info was posted chances are the password would have been posted too, so your point doesn't really make sense.
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wow guys, so much is going on... Congrats on double killing!
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Germany2896 Posts
security through obscurity for the win
And there are so many possible(and probable) searches where the post turns up.
"Mandalor Mafia"
"Controversial List Mafia" I would almost have done that search, because I wanted to know what that strange list plexa kept talking about is.
But well, now we have to live with the mafia knowing that post. No use in arguing about the mistakes of the past. We can do that after the game has finished.
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Controversial list came up like day 8 so if mandalor searched that then yeh...
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Sydney2287 Posts
Wow.
Ok well it seems your whole case against me is based on this list deal (What the hell, why was a list like this posted on the Forums?). To debunk,
You seem to have a crazy notion of what the staff function allows. It allows you to search through the post histories of specific posters, not "give me all mafia relevant posts in teamliquid in order of relevance" or anything. For me to have found a list, if I was mafia, (And I still can't believe such a thing was posted... just wow) I would have to have looked through the post histories of any people I could tell from the thread seemed important. Which is 100x more time consuming than if mandalor, as has been alleged, searched for his name on the forums and looked through posts, or anyone else for that matter searching for their names in the forums. I hope this clears up this weird idea that because I became blue I could suddenly find a list that shows all the people or that you think I would abuse the power I have (Not that I need to, as a player with a boring role I don't even check this thread all the time and when I do I generally vote with the general consensus).
I don't believe any mafia behaviours can be associated with me either, and after catching up with the thread I can see a few people (Thanks Camlito!) have said they find my picture's connection with the disc weapon not nearly as strong as some of the other connections we have.
Hope that clears things up about me.
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On May 27 2008 16:45 Ace wrote:Remember who has been confirmed Mafia so far. We know Emp turned out innocent but look at the voting patterns and the reasons listed and make the connections. REMEMBER when we all said trusting Emp was bad and that we'd like to have RB as Pardoner right? Keep that in mind. And now look at how some suspected mafia and confirmed mafia voted: ... Show nested quote +qrs
I have to admit that the thought crossed my mind to run myself, but after seeing the explosion of posts on the first day--forget it. If the pace stays even close to this, I'll never be able to keep up. For that reason, I vote for randombum. He says that he'll have the time to spend on this game, and he proved it by sending out over 100 PMs.
... Look at the voting patterns especially toward the end and who voted for Randombum and the reasons (even though it was clear that Emp lost the race). It's important because I only got the Mayor vote by TWO votes. Mafia possibly were hoping enough people switched at the last minute to get randombum into office as Mayor. I'll say this much, of the two of us, me and Ace, one of us voted for randombum. The other one didn't. I'll bet you'll never guess which is which from Ace's post, but you can just look it up right here. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?currentpage=9&topic_id=68177. LOL.
On May 27 2008 16:57 Ace wrote:
Also I'm sure any of you that has been following this game knows I have never been too fond of qrs. Yeah, that's all it comes down to. You're not too fond of me because I criticized you once.
It's not like I've been opposing you systematically all game. I've looked at the clues Plexa or MTF put out, voted when I was convinced, dissented when I didn't agree. Sometimes I've been wrong. True, I haven't been very good at analysis this game. I don't recall you contributing too much of that either.
The bottom line is, you are what Chuiu called the "superfluous mayor of the town" (the mayor in general, not you specifically). You have no authority. You have some use to the town as a guaranteed innocent. You had more use earlier on, when we still had blues. But there is no compulsion for us to autovote whomever you suspect. Your suspicions have been right sometimes, and sometimes been wrong. Just like the rest of us.
Why do I so often vote differently? Because I don't like herd voting. I signed up to play Mafia, not Simple Simon. It's a bit of a flaw in me--I sometimes take it too far in the other direction, but I've voted with the town when I agreed with the evidence. I was the first one to vote Mandalor with you, you might recall. More recently, I voted clazziquai.
Why did I defend LTT? Because I thought that he was innocent.
How did I find your list? By searching for it, same as everyone else.
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Did you search for it after ace said there was a list qrs? Just wondering.
Also bockit, i think they needed a way to explain what happened, but L's logic is flawed. L said mandalor SEARCHED for the list when plexa said that he did it AFTER mandalor died. So i don't know how it's fair that someone whos dead, searches there name, and finds a list... unless plexa mixed up when he made it ofcourse.
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