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On May 24 2008 02:20 randombum wrote:
Let's just wait then, because to be honest, I don't feel up to trying to out sway the town vs plexa. If you really want to wait to kill me the I'll die, thats sort of it.
Also killing ace but not killing me would not prove me mafia. It would have if you did not mention it, but now that you have mafia might let me live just so the town wastes a lynch on me. Ace would die because he has all the information and can lead the town far better than I can.
It should be fairly easy to tell whether or not the clues stack up with the suspicion and with ~10 nights left (minimum) before town wins there will be plenty of clues involving your character and the link will become clearShow nested quote +
On May 24 2008 02:15 Plexa wrote:
You haven't addressed a number of issues but w/e. As i outlined before we just lynch others and wait for chuiu to force your hand (or mafia killing Ace et al but not you
)
On May 24 2008 02:09 randombum wrote:
If I were a mafia pardoner I could easily pardon somebody who some people were against lynching (L). The only way to see if he is red is to keep lynching him (since vigs are dead), whom I could pardon again. Then the only thing left is if the town (which is not entirely sure) wants L dead, they have to lynch me first. Which would sow confusion and distrust, which alone would be worth it if I was mafia. Also, how does being in a position of power (Which isn't all that useful, my only hope of using it is if ace went nuts and used his +6 vote to lynch plexa). If I were to have pardoned a mafia I would have done it early game to keep mafia kill count up.
Ultimately, staying in this position as mafia would help the mafia less than to have a few extra kills for a few more nights.
But the position keeps you "off the radar" (or at least has done). But yes, let's continue to argue you conduct. Myself, Ace and MTF knew L was mafia and if you had stepped in you would have been found out rather easily. This goes for the majority of other lynchings - remember that we scored a number of mafia kills via vigilantes in the early days - proving your pardoning powers useless anyway. On May 24 2008 01:59 Plexa wrote:
Obviously, you are in a position of power - so why would you pardon a mafia when that means you look very suspicious should that person turn red. You would want to maintain this secure position from where you can support mafia antics.
Even though you claim your interest waned, its still an interesting correlation
And for the record, I was only let into the circle after d.arkive suicided... i was doing analysis without associates before as well.. over time i acquired allies and we have been working hard together to bring mafia down. Information or not, all it did was save me some time...
Ultimately i dont want to think you're mafia.. but your defense is actually typical of all the mafia thus far haha and theres a substantial amount of evidence pointing your way... e.g. try to explain that mafia train when you ran for mayor? suddenly they all switched votes trying to get you elected
Pending the information i get from Ace regarding whether people actually checked your role - i am going to have to say you're mafia. And i would not do this lightly good sir, you after all hold an extremely valuable role. Your best defense at this point is to show me how the clues connect somewhere else
On May 24 2008 01:50 randombum wrote:
My behavior is explained because part of my conditions for using my time on this game was if I was elected mayor. Since I did not receive the position I wanted my interest soon wondered elsewhere. IE If I had ace's job and information I would have been far more active. But acting alone really is a lot less fun. (Unlike you plexa who has associates, and all the information town has).
I'll grant that my lack of faith in unforgiven was rather damning, but if I were mafia don't you think I would have pardoned somebody by now?
Seems like you are trying to force a person on me.
I want to beleive you're not mafia, i really really do... On May 24 2008 01:19 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +This is... well... depressing to say the least... gah
Without going into too much detail;
Copperhead is RANDOM, fucking RANDOM -.-;;;
randombum.. are you mafia?!
Basically if 0cz3c turns green, our pardoner is mafia
EDIT: in fact, 0cz3c looks like he is actually green o god...
EDIT2: previously i had assumed innocence, but he is indeed on the mandalor list :X
EDIT3: This explains RandomBum's behavior perfectly... the lack of participation despite "spending most of his time on tl". The lack of faith in the unforgiven lynch.. him perking up once suspected
wow wtf my universe is imploding
+ Show Spoiler +
Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. He backed up and Copperhead pulled a knife from his left pocket and said "well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". JeeJee saw his right pocket was bulging with something too large for it and motioned at the knife as he was backing into his kitchen to get a knife of his own to fight back with. Copperhead groaned "there no fun in that but I can't really argue, we gotta get this here done quick" so he ran towards JeeJee slashing with the knife. JeeJee not yet armed himself grabbed a towel next to him and wrapped it around Copperheads arm, he smashed it in the side of the wall and knocked the knife out of his hand. He grabbed the knife and pushed Copperhead aside as he ran towards the door to escape.
Copperhead found Falcynn working late at school on an essay. He saw him at a computer typing it up and crept up from behind. Copperhead grabbed his chair and wheeled him into a printer table off to the side knocking several things from the shelves onto him. Falcynn pushed himself away from it and got up to defend himself, he grabbed a pen which had fallen onto the ground and slashed upward with it at Copperhead. Copperhead grabbed a keyboard and used it as a shield, he deflected the pen and smashed it into Falcynn. He grabbed another keyboard off to the side and use both of them as weapons smacking Falcynn every open spot he could find. He finally got him into a corner and kicked him in the gut then finished Falcynn off by smashing his head b
etween the two keyboards.
Copperhead found Falcynn working late at school on an essay. He saw him at a computer typing it up and crept up from behind. Copperhead grabbed his chair and wheeled him into a printer table off to the side knocking several things from the shelves onto him. Falcynn pushed himself away from it and got up to defend himself, he grabbed a pen which had fallen onto the ground and slashed upward with it at Copperhead. Copperhead grabbed a keyboard and used it as a shield, he deflected the pen and smashed it into Falcynn. He grabbed another keyboard off to the side and use both of them as weapons smacking Falcynn every open spot he could find. He finally got him into a corner and kicked him in the gut then finished Falcynn off by smashing his head b
etween the two keyboards.
Without going into too much detail;
"well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". JeeJee saw his right pocket was bulging with something too large for it and motioned at the knife as he was backing into his kitchen to get a knife of his own to fight back with.
He grabbed another keyboard off to the side and use both of them as weapons smacking Falcynn every open spot he could find. He finally got him into a corner and kicked him in the gut then finished Falcynn off by smashing his head between the two keyboards.
Copperhead is RANDOM, fucking RANDOM -.-;;;
randombum.. are you mafia?!
Basically if 0cz3c turns green, our pardoner is mafia
EDIT: in fact, 0cz3c looks like he is actually green
o god...EDIT2: previously i had assumed innocence, but he is indeed on the mandalor list :X
EDIT3: This explains RandomBum's behavior perfectly... the lack of participation despite "spending most of his time on tl". The lack of faith in the unforgiven lynch.. him perking up once suspected
wow wtf
my universe is implodingMy behavior is explained because part of my conditions for using my time on this game was if I was elected mayor. Since I did not receive the position I wanted my interest soon wondered elsewhere. IE If I had ace's job and information I would have been far more active. But acting alone really is a lot less fun. (Unlike you plexa who has associates, and all the information town has).
I'll grant that my lack of faith in unforgiven was rather damning, but if I were mafia don't you think I would have pardoned somebody by now?
Seems like you are trying to force a person on me.
Obviously, you are in a position of power - so why would you pardon a mafia when that means you look very suspicious should that person turn red. You would want to maintain this secure position from where you can support mafia antics.
Even though you claim your interest waned, its still an interesting correlation
And for the record, I was only let into the circle after d.arkive suicided... i was doing analysis without associates before as well.. over time i acquired allies and we have been working hard together to bring mafia down. Information or not, all it did was save me some time...
Ultimately i dont want to think you're mafia.. but your defense is actually typical of all the mafia thus far haha and theres a substantial amount of evidence pointing your way... e.g. try to explain that mafia train when you ran for mayor? suddenly they all switched votes trying to get you elected
Pending the information i get from Ace regarding whether people actually checked your role - i am going to have to say you're mafia. And i would not do this lightly good sir, you after all hold an extremely valuable role. Your best defense at this point is to show me how the clues connect somewhere else
If I were a mafia pardoner I could easily pardon somebody who some people were against lynching (L). The only way to see if he is red is to keep lynching him (since vigs are dead), whom I could pardon again. Then the only thing left is if the town (which is not entirely sure) wants L dead, they have to lynch me first. Which would sow confusion and distrust, which alone would be worth it if I was mafia. Also, how does being in a position of power (Which isn't all that useful, my only hope of using it is if ace went nuts and used his +6 vote to lynch plexa). If I were to have pardoned a mafia I would have done it early game to keep mafia kill count up.
Ultimately, staying in this position as mafia would help the mafia less than to have a few extra kills for a few more nights.
You haven't addressed a number of issues but w/e. As i outlined before we just lynch others and wait for chuiu to force your hand (or mafia killing Ace et al but not you
) Let's just wait then, because to be honest, I don't feel up to trying to out sway the town vs plexa. If you really want to wait to kill me the I'll die, thats sort of it.
Also killing ace but not killing me would not prove me mafia. It would have if you did not mention it, but now that you have mafia might let me live just so the town wastes a lynch on me. Ace would die because he has all the information and can lead the town far better than I can.
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