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On April 18 2008 10:50 Plexa wrote:
Here's my take on the military references;
There are a lot of people with military references ie GeneralStan, CDRDude (CDR=commander) and so on but i feel that these connections, without that of a substantial clue, cannot point to either of those players. Hence, until there is something more concrete i dont think we can safely act on any of the clues, especially since we have a lot of targets at the moment
I'd also like to add that the evidence against jtan is as strong as any mafia we've caught before and it coincides with my clues from one section conjecture hence he is highly likely to be mafia in my opinion
Agreed on both counts.
Also, the vote count is pretty close between L and Crazie right now; it's going to be one or the other, and I think we're likely to hit mafia either way, but I'm still hoping to hold out on lynching L this very night, so hopefully we get some last minute Crazie votes.
And I'd like to publically address Bugzitooni and ask him why he has never voted anyone other than nemY. You've voted every day but day 2, when we took out Mandalor and day 5 when Evilmonkey was taken down; every other day you've voted nemY on page 1 or 2. This is, at the least, non-productive behavior when you are obviously following enough to know when the voting starts.
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sup guys, lol the voting is close...i read a couple last pages and you think im a suspect? ;D...cant see why...and the guy who asked if my bunny is giving the finger or thumbs up...it is giving the finger ;D so cute
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oh, an di would like to vote for ninja4ever, i think plexa is whit me in this...between L and penguin i'll vote for penguin, the reason is the "ununderstandable language"
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
My associate is on a rolllllll
+ Show Spoiler +Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.
Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob"  and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.
well done mr associate
Also:
1 mafia out of:
ulszz
araav
rts)night[mare
infundibilum
ahrara
qrs
nemy
which fufills that list
ALSO
if that holds, 10 of the following are mafia
clazziquai
ZBiR
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
suresh0t
Lysithea
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
L
Jimtudor
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
SoMuchBetter
ieatkids5
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On April 18 2008 10:53 Chuiu wrote:
vote to fuck L witha rake
ShaLLoW[baY]
laaaaawwwwl
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Alright, so once again, old references brought to the forefront. I'll note that Heros pointed this out right after I put up the definition of his name, and Plexa + associate PM'ed me about his name connecting again. I wasn't quite sold on it earlier, but as we find that mafia connections are usually simpler than not, I'm leaning towards mafia.
Ziel as The Wolf:
First, the translation:
Ziel
German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.
The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references.
The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head
He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest.
The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown.
Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf.
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Plexa has 0 posts?
somehow I doubt it :D
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BlindAlbino made the same claims
I think its one of the few times the mafia made the mistake of uniting, and one of the few points where I would use psychology to further clues.
Otherwise, the mafia have been smart enough to diversify to prevent such things.
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On April 18 2008 14:21 fusionsdf wrote:Plexa has 0 posts? somehow I doubt it :D
fixed
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On April 18 2008 02:41 Ace wrote:
Ninja4ever has been suspected by multiple people since like Day 1. I think the recent analysis just builds upon an overwhelming case against him.
Dr.Dragoon who seemed to be very active last game is really quiet this time.
DamageControl is a stretch but I like that analysis.
I've been playing ssbb.
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So, this is just going to be a list for reference of who I feel are our strongest suspects (people I would advocate lynching at this point) and then a list of definite repeating themes for other characters we have no big suspects for. I'll omit Crazie-Penguin, as I'm pretty sure we're already aligned against him in votes now and he'll be taken care of come night.
Strongest Suspects:
Ziel as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +First, the translation: Ziel
German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul. The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown. Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf.
OR
suresh0t as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 17 2008 11:51 qrs wrote:I'll probably vote suresh0t because of the clues that seem to point at him. (summary: + Show Spoiler +1)sure shot: 1-hit kill with nail thrown down hall; twice says that Caller tried to dodge but couldn't. 2) signature: apology for taking on God (authority) but someone has to do it, corresponds with the Wolf's apology to Chuiu for killing him (Chuiu was an authority figure in the Mafia). 3) Profile pic: hammer--goes with nails. ). To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?
ulszz as Mr. Blue:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 18 2008 11:36 Plexa wrote:My associate is on a rolllllll + Show Spoiler +Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote well done mr associate Also: 1 mafia out of: ulszzaraav rts)night[mare infundibilum ahrara qrs nemy which fufills that list ALSO if that holds, 10 of the following are mafia clazziquai ZBiR BWdero GeneralStan Scorch suresh0t Lysithea Ninja4ever.Naib SoleSteeler L Jimtudor zeks Unforgiven_ve SoMuchBetter ieatkids5
L as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +1. L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5. 2. created L as a "force of justice" why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can". 3. L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective, noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. 4. Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. 5. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." - As well as many other specific physical references to his creation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_%28Death_Note%29]here. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground
OR IF L COMES UP INNOCENT
Spoinka as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 17 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:Okay, it just keeps on coming... Its rather common knowledge now that Enigma is associated with his looks and whatnot. Enigma ran his hand through his hair... Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he... Empyrean noted the features of the man.. Hello spoinka
Ninja4ever. as Mr. Blonde:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 18 2008 00:22 Plexa wrote:Okay, my associate stumbled upon the following find for mr blonde + Show Spoiler +He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.
He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.
With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.
He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.
"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. There are soo many references to Mr Blonde being agile and appearing from no where, yet at the same time a rather strong figure... See the highlighted passages for evidential proof Obviously, there is only one thing that is both nimble and powerful and that is a Ninja, thus i present to you Ninja4eva. as Mr Blonde
jtan as Eddie:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] + - His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat, which Eddie has references to/is nearby one other reference to. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat. retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe, when Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly. - Some possible M&M references through needing help/back-up/having friends. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" - A stretch that entertains me: Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 Maybe a reference to the Marine's famous saying, "You wanna piece of me, boy?"
DamageControL as Mr. Black:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 17 2008 22:16 Plexa wrote:Another mafia bites the dust; + Show Spoiler +Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now.
Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.
he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him. In the first set of clues, Mr Black prevents harm to Copperhead and in effect controls all the damage that JeeJee is able to inflict (note the highlighted passage). In the second set of clues Mr Black talks about "risk" and how Decaf is too much of a risk to stay alive Now, this all coincides nicely with a certain name: DamageControl, join your buddies in mafia hell Just read that passage again and again and keep damagecontrol in your mind and you'll see that the connection is obvious
Dr.Dragoon as Mr. Brown:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +On April 17 2008 12:51 Plexa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.
Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying.
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. Note that every time Mr Brown chases someone, theres the indecipherable yelling. Note too that he speaks rather well, and he is quite an able fighter - not killing with guns but with his hands. This all seems rather contradictory HOWEVER; The yelling is indecipherable BECAUSE ITS A HORSE In addition to that, he is a soldier which fits everything else about him. The match is SO perfect its rediculous. Also, note that even though dragoons use a particular weapon to kill people - beatings by physical means are not out of the question because they are soldiers after all and the fact that Mr Pink persuaded Mr Brown against using his weapon the first time DrDragoon this game you really were mafia  + Show Spoiler [DrDragoon info] +Fairly active prior to role release, only voting and random comments;
Voted for:
Randombum for mayor
Kuja900 on Day 2
Abstain on Day 3
Abstain on Day 4
No vote on Day 5
ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +
His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Both scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he never, not once, has engaged in a fight except to make the finishing blow. This again points to laziness/procrastinating.
0cz3c as Copperhead:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +
Purely based off Copperhead's speech and 0cz3c's profile quote. Both allude to two choices, one being a mystery, and in Copperhead's speech the object in his right pocket bulged to the point of it seeming too big to hold whatever was inside. This coincides with the quote: "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat!
Considering that his name is gibberish and his profile quote is in latin, this would be the easiest source of clues if 0cz3c is mafia.
So, we have a suspect for every character still alive except Joe, Cottonmouth, Mr. Orange, Mr. Pink, and California Mountain Snake (though I'm still kinda sold on Clazziquai matching him still, the last day post didn't help attach anything I could find).
So, next section:
Strong Themes for Those Without Major Suspects:
Joe:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] + - Strongly supports leader/helps his friends. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help, Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. - Acts when people try to leave. and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone. said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead
Mr. Pink:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] + - Seems calm/collected and possibly careful. - Is a good fighter. - Is very fast. - Is quiet. - Possibly a connection with a hunting animal. Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street
Cottonmouth:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +
- Has a very strong numbers theme, adding up to 44 both days he was present.
Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +
- Doesn't like/interrupts sound and/or calls for help.
- Has never spoken.
California Mountain Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] + - Respectful, has a hat. - Perhaps someone with a musical tie as well, as per the "singing". - Seems to have a theme of dismembering/taking things apart, as he removed Dinmsab's head and went much further in removing all of aZnvaLiaNce's limbs. - A possible theme of helplessness. Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
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On April 18 2008 11:30 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
sup guys, lol the voting is close...i read a couple last pages and you think im a suspect? ;D...cant see why...and the guy who asked if my bunny is giving the finger or thumbs up...it is giving the finger ;D so cute
no, the voting is still open. what Chuiu posted was just a running tally.
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United States20661 Posts
Reading this thread continues to confound me.
The only thing I've got a beef with is L being ugly, because IMO L is quite pretty [the DeathNote character, at least]
but I'd still kill him anyway.
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On April 18 2008 16:18 Last Romantic wrote:
Reading this thread continues to confound me.
The only thing I've got a beef with is L being ugly, because IMO L is quite pretty [the DeathNote character, at least]
but I'd still kill him anyway.
Everyone keeps bringing this up, but read through the wiki article on L.
If Chuiu got his information from there, it specifically mentions L being proposed as being ugly, and several other references to making him unappealing during his design. In light of this, whether or not he is ugly in actuality doesn't prove things one way or another, as it is the information source that Chuiu pulls from that matters.
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- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here.
I found it funny that:
1) You linked to the letter L, which has nothing to do with the interpretation.
2) Upon reading the wikipedia article, there's a massive amount of contraindicatory information.
Examples:
Ohba said that he left "everything" about L's character design to Obata. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." Afterwards Ohba included ideas in his thumbnails, including L's manner of sitting, "he's English," and "he's listless." Ohba said that he added details regarding L's mannerisms and his "sweet tooth." Ohba credits Obata for the character designs.[5] Basically you misquoted the paragraph that said that L developed into a very quirky character and used it so say he was ugly.
Obata said that, during the development of the early manga chapters, he feared that L would appear to be "so suspicious that Light would know instantly it was L if they ever met." When Obata's editor told him that he wanted L to have a face "looking cool based on the angle," Obata added black "bags" under L's eyes. Obata cited Devilman's Akira Fudou when stating that he believed that black bags "looked cool." In addition, Obata thought of a "dead eyes" concept involving L having "mostly no eyebrows" and "all-black eyes." Obata believes that having black eyes usually makes a character "goofier," but the bags "sharpen the character's gaze." Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. In addition Obata said that the bags under L's eyes attracts speculation about L's lifestyle and past. He described the bags as "useful." Obata designed L with a "simple" white, long-sleeved shirt and jeans outfit to convey the idea that L does not put thought into choosing his clothing. In Death Note: How to Read 13, Obata presented an initial rough draft of L. Obata said that, with a "cool expression" and without the "bags" under his eyes the rough draft L looks like "a totally different person."[4] Clearly looking cool and being ugly are the same, right? GJ taking someone and fitting clues to him as opposed to taking clues and fitting them thematically to people.
Anyways, that's the preliminary design of L. Read further down into what he actually does in the anime, and you'll see that none of it remotely describes me.
I'd argue harder, but i'll be mafia'd in the face tonight. Suffice it to say, a sweet tooth, odd posture, looking sleepy, only fighting using kicks or any number of odd but L-centric quirks could have described me, and not only does enigma not have these characteristics, but no other mafia member does either. What else would clues about me be made on? We've been over the letter itself, we've been over the ell sound. we've been over nearly everything. Similarly, the traits enigma has (running hand through hair for instance), don't match up.
Either way, when I die and come up blue, lynching spoinka because of a single pokemon reference to an animal who bounces (as opposed to falls down).
This will be the third time people try to pin me to a name, and do so poorly. I'd tell people who I think enigma is, but the town wouldn't believe me until I died anyways, so what's the point?
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On April 18 2008 16:26 L wrote: I found it funny that: 1) You linked to the letter L, which has nothing to do with the interpretation. 2) Upon reading the wikipedia article, there's a massive amount of contraindicatory information. Examples: Show nested quote +Ohba said that he left "everything" about L's character design to Obata. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." Afterwards Ohba included ideas in his thumbnails, including L's manner of sitting, "he's English," and "he's listless." Ohba said that he added details regarding L's mannerisms and his "sweet tooth." Ohba credits Obata for the character designs.[5] Basically you misquoted the paragraph that said that L developed into a very quirky character and used it so say he was ugly. Show nested quote +Obata said that, during the development of the early manga chapters, he feared that L would appear to be "so suspicious that Light would know instantly it was L if they ever met." When Obata's editor told him that he wanted L to have a face "looking cool based on the angle," Obata added black "bags" under L's eyes. Obata cited Devilman's Akira Fudou when stating that he believed that black bags "looked cool." In addition, Obata thought of a "dead eyes" concept involving L having "mostly no eyebrows" and "all-black eyes." Obata believes that having black eyes usually makes a character "goofier," but the bags "sharpen the character's gaze." Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. In addition Obata said that the bags under L's eyes attracts speculation about L's lifestyle and past. He described the bags as "useful." Obata designed L with a "simple" white, long-sleeved shirt and jeans outfit to convey the idea that L does not put thought into choosing his clothing. In Death Note: How to Read 13, Obata presented an initial rough draft of L. Obata said that, with a "cool expression" and without the "bags" under his eyes the rough draft L looks like "a totally different person."[4] Clearly looking cool and being ugly are the same, right? GJ taking someone and fitting clues to him as opposed to taking clues and fitting them thematically to people. Anyways, that's the preliminary design of L. Read further down into what he actually does in the anime, and you'll see that none of it remotely describes me. I'd argue harder, but i'll be mafia'd in the face tonight. Suffice it to say, a sweet tooth, odd posture, looking sleepy, only fighting using kicks or any number of odd but L-centric quirks could have described me, and not only does enigma not have these characteristics, but no other mafia member does either. What else would clues about me be made on? We've been over the letter itself, we've been over the ell sound. we've been over nearly everything. Similarly, the traits enigma has (running hand through hair for instance), don't match up. Either way, when I die and come up blue, lynching spoinka because of a single pokemon reference to an animal who bounces (as opposed to falls down). This will be the third time people try to pin me to a name, and do so poorly. I'd tell people who I think enigma is, but the town wouldn't believe me until I died anyways, so what's the point?
You're misconstruing my intentions. Specific portions of the paragraphs fit; just because others do not fit (NOT the same as contradicting evidence) doesn't mean a single thing. It specifically mentions L being proposed as unattractive, and nothing that follows that you posted contradicts this. It is only additional information.
If you have a suspect, the best bet to clear your name is to tell your suspicions. Claiming to have one and then keeping it to yourself only shows selfishness and doesn't help your case in any way at all.
O, and how did I link to the letter L? All of the links I provided link to L, the character from Death Note.
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^your wikipedia link was to the main article L, which was about the letter. no matter
Wow, awesome, araav (the blog post especially).
On April 18 2008 14:06 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +Alright, so once again, old references brought to the forefront. I'll note that Heros pointed this out right after I put up the definition of his name, and Plexa + associate PM'ed me about his name connecting again. I wasn't quite sold on it earlier, but as we find that mafia connections are usually simpler than not, I'm leaning towards mafia. Ziel as The Wolf:First, the translation: Ziel
German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul. The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown. Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf. You're saying that a German translation that means target is a more natural connection to accuracy than "sure shot"? Can't say I agree with that...
To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?
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