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Ace
United States16096 Posts
At this point it's too much of a coincidence that everyone that was in that channel got axed AND he had a confirmed innocent list that didn't match up. The only thing bugging me is the inactives because if we lynch this guy and he turns out Mafia I will be seriously upset it could have been solved by Day 2. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + bumatlarge - 11 MTF d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa fanatacist Eti307(2) Empyrean JoxxOr(2) Romance_us(2) BloodyC0bbler(2) Scorch(2) and this list + Show Spoiler + MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ fanatacist NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler he added SpiritoftheTuna, ~OpZ~ and NatsuTerran, and removed my name from the list. What was his motive to do that? Could it be to protect Tuna, OpZ and Natsu because they are fellow mafias, and avoid protecting me because I am an active townie? So many questions... | ||
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LTT
Shakuras1095 Posts
On April 10 2008 17:51 Scorch wrote: So between this list + Show Spoiler + bumatlarge - 11 MTF d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa fanatacist Eti307(2) Empyrean JoxxOr(2) Romance_us(2) BloodyC0bbler(2) Scorch(2) and this list + Show Spoiler + MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ fanatacist NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler he added SpiritoftheTuna, ~OpZ~ and NatsuTerran, and removed my name from the list. What was his motive to do that? Could it be to protect Tuna, OpZ and Natsu because they are fellow mafias, and avoid protecting me because I am an active townie? So many questions... I think I found the differences in the list. The list given by the jack wasn't the final list, but Chuiu's count a few hours before the final count. Check out this post. The real question is what possible reason he would have for reporting it as 0 mafia. We now know that there was at least 1 in the list so the "jack" was lying. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
The most obvious reason would be that the list contains mafias which he wanted to protect from lynching by telling the town that they were confirmed innocents. You see it worked. Plexa had figured out d.arkive as mafia (kudos to him!), but we couldn't lynch him once the forged list appeared. All of this wouldn't have been unearthed if d.arkive had not blown himself up, we would have continued to believe it blindly. I understand that Ace is furious about inactives. Had the second real Jack reported to him, there would have been a conflict much earlier and all of this wouldn't have happened. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
=/ Please do something about this, Chuiu. I still trust in Ace~ | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On April 08 2008 16:52 Camlito wrote: I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenie is mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdf are mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. - Chezinu is now dead.  At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- We should really look at these lists more, as there is a much better chance. As i said before, useLess has a high chance of being mafia, as one of the clues i remember referred to a mafia being tossed aside, which indicates he is rather "useless". | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD? yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?! i got hit, TWICE and lived motherfuckers die you mafia scum shit fuck double lynch time to mop the floor ok | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On April 10 2008 20:41 Plexa wrote: ROFL SUP MOTHERFUCKERS D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD? yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?! i got hit, TWICE and lived motherfuckers die you mafia scum shit fuck double lynch time to mop the floor ok LOL | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 10 2008 20:41 Plexa wrote: ROFL SUP MOTHERFUCKERS D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD? yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?! i got hit, TWICE and lived motherfuckers die you mafia scum shit fuck double lynch time to mop the floor ok phat respect to my main man plexa from da hood! he's da smoothest homie y'all! | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 10 2008 20:41 Plexa wrote: ROFL SUP MOTHERFUCKERS D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD? yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?! i got hit, TWICE and lived motherfuckers die you mafia scum shit fuck double lynch time to mop the floor ok Maybe you sacrifice mafia , because you are mafia yourself and want us to trust you :D! @ the one who said the usage of knifes / nails etc is a clue to me. The last kills were due to suicide, shot and a metal thing.. not knifes etc.. O_O I'm not mafia, thats for sure! | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
On April 10 2008 20:41 Plexa wrote: ROFL SUP MOTHERFUCKERS D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD? yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?! i got hit, TWICE and lived motherfuckers die you mafia scum shit fuck double lynch time to mop the floor ok So I guess its time to lynch poeple on plexa's list With all the clues u have found lately i was sure they would have use the suicide bomber on you to get ride of you, but they failed and u have another night to catch some mafioso <3 | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Plexa's list seems to be the best thing we've got now. | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Mr White is also called Larry Dimmick (played by Harvey Keitel) Mr Blonde is also called Vic Vega (played by Michael Madsen) ShaLLoW[baY] has a quote of Mr. Pink (also in the movie Reservoir Dogs) in his sig. Hm... I don't know.. but this could be clue :o | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Hence i present to you; How to catch Mafia 101 By Plexa When pinning mafia to clues there a number of factors one must consider;  Clues take a single point from a player and extrapolate it out into a thematic idea.Example one; d.arkive had his profile picture linking to "DC" and the mysterious device. That single image was extrapolated into a thematic use of electricity and a recurring device. One feature -> Mafia theme Example two; Queasy had no information in his profile at all, thus the only clue could come from his name - Queasy. By definition Queasy means feeling sick. This definition was extrapolated into a thematic "sickly appearance" of sidewinder. One feature -> Mafia theme Example three; Links aren't always clearcut, Quesidilla from Mafia 1 had a in his profile picture a sign saying "Real men proxy". This quote was extrapolated into the thematic strength/close quarters engagements with his character in mafia one - a hard clue but still; One feature -> Mafia theme  Players with many connections to a possible clue are not mafia.This overlaps with point one, but it really needs to be emphasized. Example 1; Ghar had many clues pertaining to him (e.g the Mayoral campaign, various clue references) and there was a really strong case for him being mafia. However, as the clues weren't pertaining to a single defining feature of him - he was innocent and we lynched him. Example 2; Shadowdrgn had a number of references/dual meanings of his name and profile which linked nicely to Mr Blonde. However there was simply too stronger connection between the two - and sadly (as we learned) he too turned out to be town. Its important to remember this as it allows many people to be instantly discarded from being Mafia  Never mix traits up between mafiaUnlike the first game, these clues are pertain to one mafia only. For instance the thematic idea of gazes meeting (before day 4) was linked to two different mafia therefore is NOT a thematic connection to a mafia; merely a coincidence.  Mafia codenames have no relevance to the player.The names are derived from various Tarentino movies and hence purely placeholders. This is important when you look at characters like Mr Pink in relation to HeRoS)PiNK and the like who have pink in their name. The connection is purely fictitious therefore avoid it at all times. Great, now we have a basic understanding of how these clues work, so how do we apply them? There are two methods, i identified Queasy using one, and d.arkive using the other so both are valid methods. Take a player, analyse his profile for possible themes that could ariseThis is how i caught d.arkive. I saw his profile and checked out his varying bits of information. Keeping in mind a vague idea of Mafia traits (e.g. Taipan Snakes use of "direct current") his picture eventually clicked with me. DC, direct current. Upon investigating the connection further - everything could be extrapolated from the picture; mafia identified Take a mafia role, analyse the traits against various profilesThis is how i caught Queasy. Thinking about Sidewinder i knew that there would be a clue linking to sickness. After checking out a number of profiles i came to the conclusion that the most relevant clue to sickness was indeed Queasy - and hence it transpired that he was sidewinder. Both of these methods are suited for particular situations. I'll do an example, analysing two confirmed innocent players - myself and TranceStorm. I will analyse myself using method one, and trancestorm using method two with the mafia Taipan Snake. Plexa Name: No meaning what so ever, no definitions, no abstract meanings no nothing. (origins actually come from the number "Googalplex" taking the plex at the end and adding an A, but anyone who gets that is a freak) Signature: Clues possibly deriving from being a fan of someone, admiration perhaps? Progamer references are unlikely to be clues thus can be disregarded. Also perhaps a clue linking to the blogs - perhaps writing utencils? Profile: Picture is of Plexa standing in from of the Tan Tien Buddha in Hong Kong thus perhaps some religious connection or perhaps a connection to asia Rationalisation Using the absolute clue hypothesis (see Clue analysis 201) clues must pertain to the entire section of the profile. Thus, as the signature has two very different focii a combination of fanboyism and blogging has no connections to any of the mafia profiles. Similarly when analyzing the picture clue we can reject any asian connections as there are far too many clues like that about hence we should focus on finding a religious theme - which is absent from mafia. Hence Plexa is innocent. TranceStorm + Show Spoiler [Taipan Snake] + He quickly ran through the yard towards his car parked out front but The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. He was headed to his computer room to check his email one last time before going to bed when he noticed all the batteries to some of his electronics have been removed and tossed on the floor. He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him French_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean. - Seems to be unarmed (not associated with weapons) -> Used broken glass recently -> Used a taser like device - Electronics connection -> Thematic disabling of electronics -> Thematic use of electricity (DC?) When we glance over at TranceStorm profile and try to match it to the mafia we get; Name: You have an interesting juxtaposition of tranquility against ferocity thus you would expect some kind of explosive mafia, which is calm then erupts in a quick flurry. The alternative is to have links to a Storm - which only somewhat applies Signature: Blank Profile: Blank As we are looking for an Electricity connection, the Storm (and hence ID) don't really apply to this aspect of Taipan. Also, the juxtaposition of the name is also lacking from Taipan - hence it is fairly safe to assume that TranceStorm is not Taipan Snake and hence Trancestorm is not mafia. Well there you have it, happy analysing! I encourage anyone and everyone to start analysing clues for yourself. It's really easy, and with this outline the town should be hitting mafia in no time. Expect to see an updated list of profiles very shortly!! | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
I remember one morning i was bored and went through ALL THE PROFILE PICTURES, and d.arkives' profile picture seemed very suspicious and had an electrical connection, thus i felt strongly, but decided to drop it. Now that i see he was mafia, it makes me realize i need to analyze things more lol. | ||
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