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On March 19 2008 03:35 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:I just woke up to find the mayor race pretty tight right now. Empy, Ace, Sonuvbob, and Ghar in the lead? Nice But, seriously, Ace should be highly considered for the mayor position. I don't think many have complained about his logic yet and he doesn't seem to have any motives to sabotage the town. I'd like to vote for him but my vote already went to a god already  I'm proud of you, Ace. Proud of you, boy. You're still allowed to change your vote.
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On March 19 2008 03:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Can someone summarize the last 29 pages for me? Hopefully if enough people PM what they think are important posts my blog will be able to summarize all the important aspects of the game so far.
/shameless selfpromotion.
Seriously though, what I can remember off the top of my head, Ace and Ghar are in the lead for mafia. avaar (I probably misspelled it) is also kind of in the lead due to him using some linux script to simplify a list of everyone's sigs/birthdays/etc into one post. Empyrean told everyone he's a detective and people are suspicious of him. A clue in the day post in which Chuiu was surrounded relates to Ghar's sig maybe.
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On March 19 2008 03:54 zeks wrote:
Isn't it more advantageous to have both the mayor and pardoner on the same "line"?
Should we consider that when voting...like making a sure a pair of mayor-pardoner that can work together well? To be honest the pardoner seems like a useless position for a towny until maybe really really late in the game. The only good thing that comes from granting someone Pardoner status is the bodyguard protection, so we don't really need a pardoner who works well with the mayor. We just need to put a towny that we want to keep protected.
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On March 19 2008 05:09 Lenwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 05:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd just like to say something about the bodyguard plan with one bodyguard stepping up front to accept everyone's roles; This could easily be done by the mafia too if the mayor is a mafia member. Mafia could fake being a bodyguard and thus it's not really any better then just sending the roles to the mayor.
If there are 7 bodyguards and one doesn't get the message he will know something fishy is going on. Only the mayor knows who the body guards are, even the bodyguards themselves don't know. So if a bodyguard doesn't get a message...he'll just assume that he's not a bodyguard.
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On March 19 2008 05:59 fusionsdf wrote:
This is our land. A land of peace and of plenty. A land of harmony and hope. This is our land. Liquidia. These are our people. The workers, the strivers, the builders. These are our people. The builders of our world, struggling, fighting, bleeding, dying. On the streets of our cities and on the far-flung battlefields. Fighting against the mutilation of our hopes and dreams. Who are they? pffft. where have you been? Liquidia was over run by the mob a long time ago, this is Liquid City.
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All days and nights will be roughly 24-48 hours each (at least I believe that's what he said). So expect a mayor to be elected by tonight or tomorrow night.
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edit: forget all of this.
no, it's either one of the roles in Tracil's game, or one of the roles Chuiu was planning to use, but scrapped.
This version has no SC influence so Dark Templar isn't in it. Unless he means vigilante which I believe is what the DT essentially is.
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On March 19 2008 07:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:21 fusionsdf wrote:On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son. You should explain Damn it guys, please don't pull another Dr.Dragoon on the town.
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On March 19 2008 07:26 clazziquai wrote:
Alright guys, just got home, got my role, and reading the 30 pages...-0- gonna be long Just read my blog! It's not very complete right now, but it should catch you up on the basics.
/more shameless self promotion.
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On March 19 2008 07:44 Wysp wrote:http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=So no fekEnigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!" I looked at every profile picture, and his hair is the only hair that stands out. Not to mention he looks he looks 'enigmatic.' Nothing concrete, of course. Also, where can one learn what Dr.Dragoon did? I can't find the post right now, but a quick summary is...
In the last game, Shallow[bay] in MSpaint doctored up a screenshot of Dr.Dragoon PM'ing him something like
"hey, I just heard someone say you're mafia. I'm mafia too! Who should we kill first?"
Dr.Dragoons responce to this was "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo" so everyone thought it was real and voted to lynch Dr.Dragoon, who continued to defend himself/insult everyone else. Turns out Dragoon was innocent and Shallow was mafia.
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On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it. Why would he need you to reply to him to doctor it? It's not that hard to take any regular PM and switch the names/date/time/message/etc.
but I'm sure you know that already 
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On March 19 2008 08:41 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Well even if empyrean is telling a lie he's more clean than Ace (for me), Ace was defending Ghar's point of view (another candidate) + Ghar have clues against him, and the mafia has probably sent 2 candidates for the mayor's position and that could be the reason why Ghar was ready to give up his votes to Ace Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 01:28 Ghar wrote:
For people that might have missed my plans as mayor, the link is in my profile page.
And I support Ace. Don't know if he's towny or not, but we think alike. So should I end up not getting enough votes, Ace would make a nice alternative if we need to combine votes to win. Why would he do that if he really wants to be the mayor? Cuz they both think alike? I dont think so, they had almost the same plan which is another coincidence. So Don't start voting for Ace because he's accusing Empyrean of being too much unsafe for the town. -Pink To be perfectly honest Ghar's move makes sense to me. I mean I'd assume most people running for mayor are running because they truly believe they could do a good job for the town. So if you're losing it'd make sense to endorse a more popular candidate who has similar ideas as you.
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On March 19 2008 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:35. Vharox
83. Chezinu Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are. You guys should vote on whether we should ban him Vharox you bastard.
also so this post isn't a total waste. Here's the latest voting tallies.
Mayor Elections Tally as of March 19 09:00 (TL/Korean time)
Ace - (20)
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Queasy,ahrara,Lenwe,MasterOfChaos,Fishball,Artanis[Xp],CDRdude,Joxxor,Ghar,
spoinka,Hittegods,Hollander,Naib,useless,GeneralStan,Shadowdrgn,Falcynn,zeks,
Mynock,Caller
Empyrean - (18)
+ Show Spoiler + Heros)Pink,LucasWoJ,shallow[bay],LoStYouRSkiLLS,KH1031,LastRomantic,ImDerek, Meta,Eti307,Showtime,MTF,BloodyC0bbler,RST)Nightmare,NatsuTerran,Solosteer,
JimTudor,nemy,decafchicken
randombum - (10)
+ Show Spoiler +Lysithea,Drdragoon,Alethios,G.S)Naruto,Sadir,fanatacist,Bockit,GranDim,Ninja4ever, so no fek
Ghar - (7)
+ Show Spoiler +TranceStorm,Ace,Pangolin,Mandalor,Amber[Light],rpf,Ziel
araav - (8)
+ Show Spoiler +AcrossFiveJulys,SonuvBob,RowdierBob,Klive5ive,xdark,Neax,Energies,qsr
Sonuvbob - (4)
+ Show Spoiler +Chezinu,LTT.wurm,bumatlarge
fusionsdf - (3)
+ Show Spoiler +
plexa - (2)
+ Show Spoiler +
LastRomantic - (1)
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Empyrean, you currently are in the lead for pardoner by 8 votes. I know that can change, but that's a pretty decent lead. Even if you don't get the mayor position, it seems almost certain you'll at least have body guard protection.
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On March 19 2008 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 09:32 Kau wrote:On March 19 2008 09:12 Ace wrote:On March 19 2008 09:04 qrs wrote:
Edit: @ Ace: He's saying that every bodyguard would get a PM. Their PM would list Mafia members as bodyguards. Each bodyguard's PM would list (the same) fake bodyguards as their colleagues. None of the bodyguards would know the difference. They'd still be caught. Ok let's look at like this: Scenario 1: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with a Mafia Mayor who also sends out the PM. We will know how many BGs are there when the elections are over. The Mafia can't leave 2 of the real Bodyguards off the list because the 2 that didn't get a PM would speak up. They can't just add an extra 2 to the PM because any BG getting a PM from the Mayor with 9 names obviously means the Mayor is clearly not thinking straight and is fishy. Scenario 2: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with an Innocent Mayor who also sends out the PM. The PMs from the Mayor don't match those 2 "fake" PMs. Even better, the names of those 2 fakers never even appear in the Mayor's original PM and they just outted themselves as Mafia for a pathetic chance at confusion. How can the Mafia possibly get away with faking any of it without drawing attention to their members? Ace, I don't see how scenario 1 would happen at all. Unless I don't understand how the game works (which is a definite possibility), this is how I see it using your numbers. What everyone knows: There are 7 bodyguards. Only the mayor knows which 7 people are bodyguards. Now, we assume that the mayor is also mafia, so he can coordinate with other mafia members. Since he knows who each bodyguard is, he will send each of the 7 bodyguards a pm. Each pm will have 7 people in it: 6 mafia and 1 bodyguard. Each bodyguard gets pm'ed back by the mafia members (6 different pm's for each bodyguard) and so they believe there are 7 bodyguards. No bodyguards are left out. Each list sent contains 7 people. Each bodyguard recieves 6 confirmation pm's. As I had said earlier, once one bodyguard dies, the other bodyguards would find out that the one that died isn't in their list and would obviously protest. Mayor gets lynched and people get the list of a large portion of the mafia, plus the mayor.
I have to agree. In the long run this "hole" would actually benefit the town alot more than it would benefit mafia.
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Shallow...if fusion posted any screenshots of a PM do you really think anyone would believe him after what happened last game? If anything fusion would just be getting himself lynched.
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Also as much as I think this is a great plan, it also assumes that the detectives aren't selfish bastards. I mean if things go bad it pretty much forces a detective to sacrifice himself for the town, and IME despite how much they'd be helping, I don't think many people would be willing to do that.
Edit: OH I KNOW! If a detective is forced to sacrifice himself I'll have a memorial "plaque" on my blog to commemorate their selflessness, and maybe someone can whip up a cool picture for them ^_^
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If a detective comes clean about his role and says the mayor is mafia. We lynch the detective (this is why I was saying that a detective has to sacrifice himself and I was worried about this step) and if he turns blue, then we lynch the mayor next. With the mayor gone the bodyguards are mostly useless and they all reveal their lists. From there we can figure out the mafia.
This does mean that the Pardoner is an easy kill, but hoping that we communicate and work together well as a town, we (again, hopefully) won't be in dire need of him.
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On March 19 2008 10:14 wurm wrote:
omg, 10 pages of bickering. I quit halfway through. Thank god for Falcynn's blog. OH YEAH! Everyone loves the Falcynn!
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