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Okay, i guess i should say this:
A lot of people are saying that lynching a bodyguard is a good thing, as if its no big deal.
Wrong.
These are the possible results:
We know that all bodyguards are townies.
We don't know who the Mayor and Pardoner are.
If Mayor = Towny and Pardoner = Towny
1 Towny + .25 towny + .25 towny = 1.5 townies
If Mayor = Scum and Pardoner = Towny (or if Mayor = Towny and Pardoner = Scum)
1 Towny + 0 towny + .25 towny = 1.25 townies
If both M + P are scum:
1 Towny = 1 Towny
On average, killing a bodyguard is like killing 1.25 townies.
I still haven't seen any good reasoning aside from Tracil and Live2Win at this point that would imply my guilt. This is why I withdrew my vote, because I really don't think that despite my evidence, it failed to provoke any thinking and just started a bandwagon. Just like I am.
Well, if I die, it will serve a lesson to those bandwagoners to maybe think of what they're doing rather than simply voting because so-and-so said so.
Nemy is an exception because I pissed him off. If I die nemy I will forgive you you have a good reason.
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On February 21 2008 03:40 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 03:12 Caller wrote:
Caller United States. February 20 2008 09:58. Posts 215
C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso.
Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D
I don't undarstand this part of your reasoning - what has pardoner to do with whole situation? But yeah, this kinda looks like suggesting you're a bodyguard, I must have missed it because of this pardoner thing 
i would think that the pardoner is protected by the bodyguards. Thus, he/she would be more cautious about people whom claim to be BGs than other people, especially when it comes to voting for them.
Amber[Light], here are the reason's I'm voting for you:
A) A dim light is apparent in the evening (moonlight) i.e. day 1 and day 2 killings. Also, in the theater, it emits a dim light. Why not Southlight? Southlight would probably have a clue involving a constellation. At least that's my thinking.
2) You are not only trying to take what seems to be a direct clue (and we all know what direct clues have done for us) but you are trying to convince others that it is a masterstroke.
3) You have the talking pattern that other people who were killed at night have. You pop in every now and then and say something, then leave. Yet for some reason, unlike your camaraden, you're still alive. That leads me to think that either you are VERY lucky or that you are scum.
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okay, but did you claim to be a BG before that post from 9.58? cause I don't think so, hence my suspicions
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On February 21 2008 03:49 ZBiR wrote:
okay, but did you claim to be a BG before that post from 9.58? cause I don't think so, hence my suspicions
why on earth would i do that, that's asking for getting my throat slit. telling everybody that you're a blue will cause the townies to get suspicious and the mafia to execute you mercilessly rather than some poor green.
edit: the only reason i would do that is to avoid wasting one of the town's precious lynches.
here's my thinking right now:
steve is mayor.
he wants as many body shields as possible.
therefore, he wouldn't want to do a double lynch because he would lose a bodyguard for no appreciable gain.
however: if i am no longer in danger of being lynched, he would more likely do a double lynch.
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Omg, this wasn't my point to literally answer that question, I wanted you to say why you suspected either Steve or Tracil, despite the fact that Tracil doesn't know you're a bodyguard (because you already said that you didn't reveal that earlier).
On February 21 2008 03:45 Caller wrote:
i would think that the pardoner is protected by the bodyguards. Thus, he/she would be more cautious about people whom claim to be BGs than other people, especially when it comes to voting for them.
Tracil had no idea if you're a BG or not, so he didn't have any reason to spare you, still you throw a shadow of suspicion at him, like he didn't kill you (as mafia) as he knew.
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On February 21 2008 03:59 ZBiR wrote:Omg, this wasn't my point to literally answer that question, I wanted you to say why you suspected either Steve or Tracil, despite the fact that Tracil doesn't know you're a bodyguard (because you already said that you didn't reveal that earlier). Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 03:45 Caller wrote:
i would think that the pardoner is protected by the bodyguards. Thus, he/she would be more cautious about people whom claim to be BGs than other people, especially when it comes to voting for them.
Assuming that I am a BG:
Steve has clearly stated that his goal is to remain alive. So mafia or not, I know that he would be on my side.
Tracil needs the protection of bodyguards if he is a towny. If he is not a towny then he, being the intelligent person that he is, would also want to protect me if he suspected i was a BG.
I don't suspect either one of them at the moment. I was saying that was a possiblity.
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Tracil had no idea if you're a BG or not, so he didn't have any reason to spare you, still you throw a shadow of suspicion at him, like he didn't kill you (as mafia) as he knew.
Of course he wouldn't, UNLESS steve is mafia as is tracil, or if steve told tracil who the guards are. I dunno. It was only one of several possibilities that I had out there.
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Hmm, I still don't see a definite, rational answer to my question... w/e, I don't think I would change my vote anyway. However, I suspect you a little less than FakeSteve, but it would be stupid to execute a mayor just like that, without any testing... And you made a good "test" for him of yourself 
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Every lynch there will be at least one bandwagon (the one started by the mafia). The townies need to avoid that one otherwise it's just another free kill for the mafia. I think this is the best way to shed some light on the current situation:
I vote for Caller
btw, if we're going to lynch FS it better be soon before the mafia's voting power grows gets absolute majority (assuming he's part of it of course), in which case the game would end I assume?
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If caller really is BG (y would FS lie?) then lynching him is NOT the correct thing to do.
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hi chuiu or DD, can i be signed up for the next round? thanks!
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Hmmm if FS says Caller is BG... Then it wouldn't be the right thing to do. So, I change my vote from Caller to Live2Win
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I really don't believe FS is mafia either. He's too rash :O
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I think that if FS says that caller is bodyguard, then we move on and try to go after lynching another possibility and see if caller gets gets hit by the mob tonight. If he doesn't die then we can decide if we want to lynch him next day, if he does get killed then that just means that we saved ourselves from wasting a day lynching a dead man. However I don't think that FS would lie, because if he's lieing and he is mafia then he just made a pretty stupid move, because when Caller does get lynched (I hope he doesn't get lynched tonight, but I feel he will get lynched eventually whether because of a vote or vigilante) and it turns out he's mafia then that would undoubtedly prove FS is mafia (because mafia can't be bodyguards so it'd mean that FS was defending a mafia this whole time), and since I don't believe FS would make such a stupid move I have to agree with Caller being a BG.
So for that reason I'll go ahead and Vote for Live2Win to get lynched I don't really have a strong feeling about this so I probably will change my vote eventually. However I'm just trying to offset the caller votes for now.
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On February 21 2008 03:45 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 03:40 ZBiR wrote:On February 21 2008 03:12 Caller wrote:
Caller United States. February 20 2008 09:58. Posts 215
C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso.
Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D
I don't undarstand this part of your reasoning - what has pardoner to do with whole situation? But yeah, this kinda looks like suggesting you're a bodyguard, I must have missed it because of this pardoner thing i would think that the pardoner is protected by the bodyguards. Thus, he/she would be more cautious about people whom claim to be BGs than other people, especially when it comes to voting for them. Amber[Light], here are the reason's I'm voting for you: A) A dim light is apparent in the evening (moonlight) i.e. day 1 and day 2 killings. Also, in the theater, it emits a dim light. Why not Southlight? Southlight would probably have a clue involving a constellation. At least that's my thinking. 2) You are not only trying to take what seems to be a direct clue (and we all know what direct clues have done for us) but you are trying to convince others that it is a masterstroke. 3) You have the talking pattern that other people who were killed at night have. You pop in every now and then and say something, then leave. Yet for some reason, unlike your camaraden, you're still alive. That leads me to think that either you are VERY lucky or that you are scum.
I haven't even tried to reinforce my statement from yesterday. The only thing I said was that I would have voted for you last time, but since people are voting for you now, that is where I place my vote. It also seems awkward that you would come forth as a bodyguard. You see here's my dilemma:
I don't know if I should trust whether FS and you are telling the truth. Lets say you both are telling the truth and you are in fact a bodyguard. You could still be mafia though. FS could have randomly picked you as a bodyguard not knowing of your mafia status, OR in fact FS is in on it too and is in fact a mafia member. We don't know whether or not you guys are being completely honest, and besides the movie ended. There was no light at all. Why would I be there? The lights weren't coming on. Also don't forget if you want to reference Light you should include Live2Win. He is a LighT member, like me =]. Maybe the fact that he doesn't have a light in his tag implies that L2W is in fact the lack of light in this scene. It's very far fetched, but piecing these clues isn't exactly easy.
I don't know what else to say. Sorry people gunned you down? I just believe you are a mafia member, and this isn't the first day I thought so.
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Mafia CANNOT BE TOWN, CHIUIU CHOSE TOWNIES. so amber your entire arguement is flawed.
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On February 21 2008 06:38 randombum wrote:
Mafia CANNOT BE TOWN, CHIUIU CHOSE TOWNIES. so amber your entire arguement is flawed.
Can this be 100% verified by chuiu? I'm under the impression everyone is a 'towny' so wouldn't saying you're a bodyguard be an unfair advantage?
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On February 21 2008 06:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 06:38 randombum wrote:
Mafia CANNOT BE TOWN, CHIUIU CHOSE TOWNIES. so amber your entire arguement is flawed. Can this be 100% verified by chuiu? I'm under the impression everyone is a 'towny' so wouldn't saying you're a bodyguard be an unfair advantage?
He already said it, do your research if you don't know jack shit about game you are playing :[
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Sorry, what i meant was Mafia cannot be bodyguards. As in chiuu chooses townies (Read non-mafia no other position) to be a bodyguard.
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