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I'm afraid that I'm going to have to vote for Live2Win.
Why?
I'm actually not basing this on the "clues", as as I've stated before, I'm never going to rely on the clues. They've gotten way too many of us killed. In fact, the only clue which actually led to a mafia death was the blatantly obvious one for to miss the mark.
However, I'm going to go with the fact that he publically stated that he was a Paramedic and was expecting to die. However, he still isn't dead. And, coincidentally, NO ONE HAS RECEIVED PARAMEDIC PROTECTION. I would believe him if he publically announced who he was going to protect, but there has been no such announcement. And what do we get? An "accidental" death of our detective.
Way to go.
Of course, it is entirely possible that the mafia just didn't kill him so we suspect him.
...but I don't think that's very likely at all.
I vote for Live2Win
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Hmm.
I suppose I'll change my vote, then, given the recent developments.
I change my vote from Live2Win to unforgiven_ve.
Although I'm waiting for unforgiven to defend himself.
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I love how when everyone realizes Unforgiven's a mafia member, he doesn't respond.
Ha :D
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On March 02 2008 13:54 nemY wrote:
All those voting for Unforgiven are gay/mafia. You might as well end the game now with the way the inactive townies are we have no hope.
And when Unforgiven comes up mafia you're going to eat your words.
...and if he's not then, well, that just pretty much sucks. He was a pretty active guy, from what I recall.
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On March 02 2008 13:54 nemY wrote:
All those voting for Unforgiven are gay/mafia. You might as well end the game now with the way the inactive townies are we have no hope.
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Ok, I'll be back with a detailed post of my thoughts when I come back from church.
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I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's.
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On March 03 2008 03:25 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot  I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you?
Fuck, well who are the other paramedics?
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On March 03 2008 09:34 HotZhot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2008 03:30 Empyrean wrote:On March 03 2008 03:25 Live2Win wrote:On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you? Fuck, well who are the other paramedics? Why you ask?
Well, since I posted my suspicions, I'm probably likely to be a target of a mafia if any of my suspicions are correct. I was banking on Live2Win protection tonight, but that can't be counted on.
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We can't let this thread die. We're having a comeback!
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On March 04 2008 05:52 Chuiu wrote:Day post will be delayed. Reason.
Ohnoes
Someone call a paramedic!
We'll keep the thread alive :D
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Oh noes
The thread is slowly withering away
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Get well soon!
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Well this is just great. Here are my immediate suspicions:
How could SO MANY FREAKING VIGILANTES DIE? They all probably messaged a paramedic looking for protection, knowing that the vigilantes would be needed for the upcoming days in order to help us win. So who is the only "paramedic" we know? Live2Win. Has he actually successfully protected anyone? No. He "accidentally" forgot to protect the ONE active detective we had.
So after the vigilantes told Live2Win that they were vigilantes, Live2Win could potentially have passed the information to the mafia. And that would only happen if he himself were mafia.
Thus, I vote for Live2Win
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On March 09 2008 03:05 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2008 01:09 Empyrean wrote:
Well this is just great. Here are my immediate suspicions:
How could SO MANY FREAKING VIGILANTES DIE? They all probably messaged a paramedic looking for protection, knowing that the vigilantes would be needed for the upcoming days in order to help us win. So who is the only "paramedic" we know? Live2Win. Has he actually successfully protected anyone? No. He "accidentally" forgot to protect the ONE active detective we had.
So after the vigilantes told Live2Win that they were vigilantes, Live2Win could potentially have passed the information to the mafia. And that would only happen if he himself were mafia.
Thus, I vote for Live2Win You're so full of shit. L2W protected HotZhot. Fuck you I'm voting zdd for mafia. Let's at least get the one guy we know is Mafia!
How do you know he protected HotZhot? I must have missed it. What page is it on?
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Ah, I just reread that page.
You could be correct, although as Tracil points out, it's entirely possible that the mafia simply decided not to hit HotZhot that night because L2W ostensibly protected him.
If anyone was actually successfully protected by L2W, would they have received a confirmation PM from Chuiu?
I'm still pretty convinced that L2W is mafia. There are simply too many unlucky "coincedences" involving him.
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Oh, one more thing: Don't forget that the mafia also read these pages. It's entirely possible that they didn't hit me last night because
1) my theories are entirely wrong
2) if I were alive, that would cast suspicion on me.
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Hey guys: read the following clue:
"As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" with a hideously evil laugh following. It was at this time that randombum realized his own fate."
To me, this sounds like Live2Win. Remember? He's promising to save us townies with his paramedic power, but never quite succeeds in doing it (because he's not a paramedic).
Remember how he said he'd save our detective, alventenie? He promised to protect him. And how did that go? Right. He was probably laughing behind his monitor as alventenie revealed his detective secrets under the supposition that Live2Win was protecting him, only to be murdered the following night as the mafia probably realized they were about to be figured out (especially with the 5/9 clue).
Any counters, L2W?
EDIT for a little content, above.
To ensure I didn't edit the post in response to anyone else, please verify the timestamps.
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On March 09 2008 10:31 Fen wrote:
Can all those people who think they KNOW the mafia please write it down and take a screenshot with the date showing or something.
This is obviously harder than you guys think and Id love to see if you guys actually get it right.
The fact that you use "you guys" is very, very suspicious.
Also, I'm writing a post-game "write-up", kind of like how NeoIllusions did for Travian. If members of each side, including special roles, vanilla townie, mafia, etc. Give me some PM logs, or IRCChat logs or something, it would be greatly appreciated. If key players such as Tracil, L2W, alventenie, etc. give me their personal thoughts after each "round", it would also be appreciated.
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What are you doing trying to get all the bodyguards to post?!
Anyway, statistically unlikely doesn't mean impossible.
EDIT: Not going to bother; violates assumptions of test, anyway.
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