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On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide.
Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 Falcynn wrote:
Have any of the detectives managed to uncover anything? I realize that if someone were detective they wouldn't just come out and claim they are and post the information they've learned, but it seems like noone really has a firm stance on any clue and noones trying to persuade anyone about anything (despite people posting some seemingly good leads). Which leads me to believe the detectives haven't gathered anything...
Unless I misunderstood the whole day/night cycle thing and they're waiting for a better time.
Some people have claimed that they have, but they are sensibly waiting until the lynching to post anything. Of course, if they were most sensible, they wouldn't have even posted that they had an idea in the first place, it only makes them a target. We'll probably see some good detective work (and some lunatic conspiracy theories, my personal specialty  ) leading up to the first lynching.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:22 EmeraldSparks wrote:
If you are attacked, you defend.
There is nothing suspicious about a player who responds to every accusation. It merely demonstrates that they pay attentio. I did think that of course and it is plausible. i was only worried that he is trying to be mayor so he has more reason to defend his "good" name if he is a mafia member. i wasnt suspicious at first really, however, i tried to watch his posts and see how much of an effort he takes in responding to all of them that say he is the mafia. we all know dr.dragoon is the first one to get lynched, and if tracil isn't a mafia member he knows that the second day clues won't lead to him, so why be so persistent in defending your character especially when you already have majority of the votes for mayor? but if he is a mafia member he would take more time clearing up his name especially this early on. not only does it soldifiy his election as mayor but we'll all assume he isn't a mafioso in the very beginning, making this game his. i'm only saying this : proceed with caution.
One comment on the part that I bolded: it depends on what majority you are looking at. The majority of players haven't yet voted.
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On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies .
You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.
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On February 12 2008 11:48 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
This thread should go in the Hall of Fame after it's wrapped up :p
What should it be listed under? Paranoid lunacy?
...this is such an awesome game 
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I vote for RON PAUL. No, I'm just kidding. Is that even funny anymore?
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On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/
I'm vertically challenged, that's all 
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On February 12 2008 11:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
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what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all As proven by the Ron Paul joke.
Maybe I just want to see Ron Paul win an election of importance for once
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2008 12:02 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:56 CDRdude wrote:
I vote for RON PAUL. No, I'm just kidding. Is that even funny anymore? No, it's not. RP advocates teaching creationism in schools. Bastard. Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH"
Edit: Or is it "sike"? Oh noes, an edit. You are soooo dead mate. Sorry to say it. Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
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what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all Ooooo... a link to the short clue thing?
I posted that after the story that contained the clues. It was a nod to dragoon saying that it went over my head.
Live2Win EDIT: I'm trying to fix your quotes.
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Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to.
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On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting....
You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.
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On February 12 2008 12:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
why is everyone jumping all over dr.dragoon when that screenshot/pm (if it happened looked) like an obvious joke. the mafia know who each other are, so why would he pm someone like that?
I think that the argument lies in the fact that he seems pretty dumb, and the town would be better off without him, even if he isn't mafioso. Also, I still think you're a mafioso. Too many people are popping up and voting for you, without any other comments, which says (to me, at least) that the other mafia, which know who you are, are voting you in as a mafia candidate for mayor.
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On February 12 2008 12:24 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:22 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 12:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
why is everyone jumping all over dr.dragoon when that screenshot/pm (if it happened looked) like an obvious joke. the mafia know who each other are, so why would he pm someone like that? I think that the argument lies in the fact that he seems pretty dumb, and the town would be better off without him, even if he isn't mafioso. Also, I still think you're a mafioso. Too many people are popping up and voting for you, without any other comments, which says (to me, at least) that the other mafia, which know who you are, are voting you in as a mafia candidate for mayor. Now you're just being a jerk.
Yes, but other people think it too:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=18#344
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=18#354
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=20#387
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On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true.
Speaking of shallow lying low, isn't that exactly what he's doing now? I haven't seen him post much in the past couple of hours.
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On February 12 2008 12:57 Zelniq wrote:
There's way too much spam and useless posts in this thread. The last page of this thread this morning was page 9, and it's already on 27. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't wanna go through that many posts in that short of a time. It's turning many of us off this game.. it'd be nice if there were some system in place that regulated posts or something.
This could be split up into several threads, perhaps one thread per day? Or, maybe one thread for direct votes (I'm sure it would make Chuiu's, and Dapperdan's job easier) and another for general theorizing about clues, other people's posts, stuff like that..
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Personally, I'm convinced that SoMuchBetter is mafioso, but I don't know how to prove it.
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I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on).
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What if the mayor declares a double lynching as his first act in office?
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Ok, seriously. We have 20 pages since the declaration of first day, and less than half of the people have voted. We need to clean this up. Can we break this into multiple threads, one for voting, and one for other? We don't want our sheer post count to discourage people from playing.
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