EPTmy reasoning is that if Live2Win is part of the mafioso, and knowing that his opinion is highly valued, he would vote for the person who is less likely to be an able leader
that and i think tracil sounds like a trusty name
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
my reasoning is that if Live2Win is part of the mafioso, and knowing that his opinion is highly valued, he would vote for the person who is less likely to be an able leader that and i think tracil sounds like a trusty name | ||
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Romance_us
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
Someone has to vote for him, and I don't trust either of the two leading candidates. Not that I trust infinity, but at this moment, it's more like throwing my vote out than anything. Unless we rally now! infinity21 for mayor! | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Empyrean
17077 Posts
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Tracil or anyone, but in the introduction, it's known that there are multiple mafia. I'm just a bit suspicious that Tracil's being so helpful. How do we know the mafia aren't acting in collusion to get him elected? He has a large number of votes already. After his election, in which he has the mafia vote AND the townspeople vote, IF he is part of the mafia, the game is effectively over. Mafia + major is a very dangerous position to be in. That being said, I'm withholding my vote. I want to see Tracil's defense. I also have dinner plans coming up! (I only used Tracil as an example. The same reasoning can be applied for the other people as well) EDIT: Please don't assassinate me tonight, mafia  | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Vharox
United States1037 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
One of the mafia kicked down on one side of his chest, his muddy boots sliding off almost causing him to lose balance. My suspicion goes to wurm. "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here" Can't think of someone yet. "We knew there was a spy amongst us, but I never thought it would be you! Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker", My suspicion goes to JeeJee. "That was low, even for you" said another mafia. "Who cares where I stab him, all is fair" he protested, My suspicion goes to NotSorry, or ShaLLoW[baY] As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group to get much needed rest for the day to come. Can't think of someone yet. | ||
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Mini Moose 2707
United States9 Posts
Anyway, I'm going to tell you why you should vote for me. I RUN mafia games at Staredit.net, therefore I am very in the know of everything that's going on within this game. In fact, I created some of the roles they're using myself. Chuiu and Dapperdan have played in those games that I've run, and I've played in their games, too. Thus, I am quite familiar with how they think/make clues and also have great experience interpreting clues. Examples of games that I've run: http://www.staredit.net/?topic=584 http://www.staredit.net/?topic=1193 http://www.staredit.net/?topic=1447 http://www.staredit.net/?topic=1696 (in progress. Chuiu himself is running this game with me!  )If experience means anything, here it is. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
Of course, now I might assassinated tonight | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
Anyway, my thoughts on mayor - New Player Town Mayor - Might not be the most effective. New Player Mafia Mayor - Not good, but pardoner can probably keep him in check. Veteran Town Mayor - Very good for town. Veteran Mafia Mayor - Extremely bad for town. | ||
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Dapperdan
United States38 Posts
On February 12 2008 07:30 KF91 wrote: Hmm. I have a question too. If we lynch the mayor, do we elect another one? Read the first post. If it doesn't say anything about such a process, then that means it doesn't exist. This "read the first post answer" applies to a lot of questions that are being asked or will be asked in the future, trust me. No, you don't elect another mayor if the first one dies. | ||
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SiZ.FaNtAsY
Korea (South)1497 Posts
FAKESTEVE FAN CLUB HURRAH! | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On February 12 2008 07:58 Live2Win wrote: My suspicion goes to NotSorry, or ShaLLoW[baY] I've been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to figure out how you've linked that clue with me, it doesn't make any sense :p | ||
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On February 12 2008 08:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I've been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to figure out how you've linked that clue with me, it doesn't make any sense :p low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess. | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
On February 12 2008 07:41 Empyrean wrote: Think about it, guys. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Tracil or anyone, but in the introduction, it's known that there are multiple mafia. I'm just a bit suspicious that Tracil's being so helpful. How do we know the mafia aren't acting in collusion to get him elected? He has a large number of votes already. After his election, in which he has the mafia vote AND the townspeople vote, IF he is part of the mafia, the game is effectively over. Mafia + major is a very dangerous position to be in. That being said, I'm withholding my vote. I want to see Tracil's defense. I also have dinner plans coming up! (I only used Tracil as an example. The same reasoning can be applied for the other people as well) You find it suspicious that I'm being helpful. It stands to reason, then, that the way for me to *not* be suspicious is to... not be helpful. People can see what's wrong with that, right? I've seen a very dangerous logical fallacy being spread around, starting with Live2Win and repeated here; it's also a regrettably common one, especially in newbie games of mafia. Basically, it goes like this. 1) Mafioso want to be seen as trusted townies. 2) Person X is taking actions that appear to be trustworthy. 3) Therefore, Person X could be/is mafia! To reply to that. Firstly, if your only reason to find me suspicious is that I've stepped up and pointed out some ways on how I feel the game should be played, I don't feel that's really a valid call to be any more suspicious of me than anyone else. I'm going to define suspicious more as 'I somewhat believe him to be mafia' than 'we should pay close attention to his words'; you should be paying close attention to *everyones* words, or lack of them. Obviously it's good for you read what I say and make up my own mind. Furthermore, each and every person here has a vested interest in being seen as trustworthy, town or mafia. As a townie, one of your duties, believe it or not, is to avoid getting lynched, and the best way to do that is to be helpful and active. People making light of my statement that we shouldn't lie are kinda missing the point. Townies shouldn't lie, Mafia practically have to. Townies don't have *reason* to lie; mafia always do. Yes, you can die at anytime, especially if you are, well, on the right track as far as your discussion goes. However, as a town, we must set the pace of the game and not allow the mafia to stifle discussion! Fear is the tool of evil! If *every townie discusses things as much as they can* then the mafia are going to be hard-pressed for targets, no? <-> It's been said that I haven't participated as much in detective work. I've already set out why I don't want to go heavily after clues myself at this point. I view them more as peripheral evidence to other cases if anything. I'd rather go after people on the basis of what they say and do than anything else. However, I am, in fact, already somewhat suspicious of some people. 1) Manhini, who appeared to simply dislike me for no reason and refused to elaborate. Again, discussion is, well, what town does. Not talking or responding to questions = bad. Very bad. 2) Live2Win, who is avoiding voting for me on the basis that 'Tracil knows how to play; if he is mafia, that would be very bad for us if he was mayor, much worse than if SMB was mayor'. Firstly, mayor is a potent pro-town position. It stands to reason it will be more effective in the hands of someone familiar with the game, as it keeps them alive without necessitating protection of any kind. Secondly, his basis for distrust of me in based partially upon a logical fallacy, which I outlined above; the reason essentially amounts to 'but Tracil COULD be mafia!' and that will apply to basically everyone, in any discussion in any context until they have somehow confirmed themselves. Thirdly, even if you assume that my attempt to set out some solid tips on playing that are clearly beneficial to the town and are likely useful to the hordes of people here who haven't played mafia before is not, in fact, telling of me being trustworthy one way or the other, then *odds alone* dictate that it's unlikely for me to be scum, and the same would go for any of the mayoral candidates, and as someone who has played this game quite a lot, I feel I'm a better person to be elected than the others who have stepped forward. To conclude, suspicion against me stems from people feeling that mayor is a dangerous position if the mafia possess it, and that it's possible I might be mafia. I don't really think town should compromise all their decisions based on 'person xyz might be mafia', that's really just a step up from thinking 'but if I accuse a mafioso, I might die at night.' Look at what people say. Be careful. Ask them questions, demand explanations- but if you end up not having anything more suspicious out of them than what you feel about everyone else, it's time to persue a new line of enquiry. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On February 12 2008 08:38 Tracil wrote: You find it suspicious that I'm being helpful. It stands to reason, then, that the way for me to *not* be suspicious is to... not be helpful. People can see what's wrong with that, right? I've seen a very dangerous logical fallacy being spread around, starting with Live2Win and repeated here; it's also a regrettably common one, especially in newbie games of mafia. Wtf he called us newbies. Lynch the bugger? | ||
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Empyrean
17077 Posts
On February 12 2008 08:38 Tracil wrote: Response Wow. You sure have set my mind straight  I guess we'll have to work more together then, if we want to win. My vote's going to you :D I vote for Tracil for mayor. | ||
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