On June 21 2024 07:12 Mocsta wrote:
Oats/trfel/az and me were the only things moving the game after marv died. That's my take and I don't care if you disagree.

I also genuinley disagree with this because me and Koshi were the only things that got sandroba lynched D2.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:16 GMT

#5325

I am sorry Mocsta but i really cant stop thinking youre mafia because you keep making these incredibly false statements, these have not even anything to do with how you feel.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:16 GMT

#5326

What do you thinkn marv even did?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:27 GMT

#5327

I am also not sure if you have the D2 happenings right, Mocsta.

This is what happened.

When Vivax was wagoned with all the people in the world, sandroba started posting again.

I, immediately after reading sandrobas posts told AZ that "I dont think case on Vivax is good. Not gonna say it in thread yet. Whats also alarming is almost everyone jumping on it.." and then,
"Sandroba is not impressive."

I then, go full lengths of telling him why 1) sandroba is mafia, 2) Koshi is town (he thought koshi is mafia).

I also tell him that i think he is DP and because he is DP he is mafia.
He says yeah DP, no mafia. I say fine lets talk.
We have good talk.

Idk Mocsta, call it me "townbashing myself", but this all happened.
Maybe i could this as mafia? Maybe.
Should DP believe it, even when i don't kill him any night (if i am mafia)?
I think no.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:28 GMT

#5328

I can tell with 100% confidence that AZ is not alive at this point of the game if rayn is mafia and he is not.
100%

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:31 GMT

#5329

I shoot people who i either think is blue, or/and are good at solving the game.
I can always argue about why someone else did that.
Just look at last game, never ever i do that night kill.

If there is anything i can always argue when i am town, no matter how fucking bad or stupid i have been, is that these night kills are not mine. I never shoot Oats. I never shoot Trfel over Koshi. Never. Ever. In my life.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:32 GMT

#5330

But apparently DP of all the people tell me i am mafia because of the night kills.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:40 GMT

#5333

Why did you Mocsta, decide to vote for AZ D3 instead of following your super townread Trfel on Vivax, or sticking with your lynch on DMB?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:44 GMT

#5336

On June 21 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn you have said before in post games that you would keep me alive when you are mafia because you think you can sell good to me.

Why did you flail around trying to not lynch the red check last phase?

Why is Scott 100 percent town? That read feels like it’s convenient for you to try and get a counter wagon to form on me.

Why are you changing your Mocsta scum read onto me?

Like this is all classically scummy shit you are doing the last two days and you should know it.

I dont care DP.

Why are these all kills my night kills? IDGAF if you think i am mafia, other than that you should not.

I think youre mafia because you cannot even aknowledge ANY thing mocsta has done as scummy, when it definitely is.
That why i am changing, well i am waffling.

"classically scummy shit" my ass....

scott is town because everything points out to either you or mocsta being mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:45 GMT

#5337

On June 21 2024 07:43 AlphaZero wrote:
To me there is a clear desperation for you to live. But not to solve the game after. That is scummy cause it aligns with mafia win condition.

So you should probably just make a bunch of posts that help the town at mylo in the case you are town. But really I haven’t heard anything compelling from you in that area. And that is why you are mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:47 GMT

#5338

Scott, Alphazero is mafia.
He is going to make a case on you (easy to make) in lylo.
Mocsta is gonna follow because it will make sense.

sad times

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:48 GMT

#5339

Slam wont matter because he is dead.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:50 GMT

#5340

I mean both of AZ and Mocsta have put themselves into postion of lynching rayn --> scott.
Neither of them is even reading my posts, let alone arguing against them.

It is kind of funny though. Because one of them has to be town lol.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:51 GMT

#5341

On June 21 2024 07:41 AlphaZero wrote:
Also koshi said you were scummy in your mason chat. That is more than just you didn’t vote dmb.

yeah all koshi said is that i ma mafia in our mason chat.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:51 GMT

#5342

whats your point?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:53 GMT

#5343

On June 21 2024 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why are these all kills my night kills DP?
.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:55 GMT

#5346

Why did rayn kill these people over any of other alive ppl?
What did Koshi say in our mason chat that makes me mafia?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:57 GMT

#5347

On June 21 2024 07:55 Mocsta wrote:

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well several factors going through mind at that time

1) DMB wagon collapsed, whats the alternative
2) I don't trust my reads this game, Trfel wants Vivax
-> I have been town and scum reading him all game. Feels like lottery draw
3) I dont want a lottery draw, I'm going to stick it on AZ who i did scum read
4) AZ does not OMGUS and instead doesnt know what to do with his vote either
5) I recognise this confusion and have an epiphany. I just dont see it being baked in the moment by scum. Maybe feels different with posts, but in real life, the timings are all 5-10-20s apart.
6) Without AZ, i backed trfel to a majority and took a punt with Vivax.

I firmly believe Trfel would not have even been viewing vivax as a wagon that day if it were not for the mason longs.
Trfel outted his frustration multiple times.

Of course he would not.
Is it reasonable though, for Koshi to blame me for not lynching DMB that day???

Which both of you and AZ are arguing.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:58 GMT

#5349

I mean you are literally arguing that (at least AZ is), because that's the ONLY reason Koshi thinks i am mafia for.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 20 2024 22:59 GMT

#5350

On June 21 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:

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whoah. that is a slip and a half

i genuinely have work meetings

im going to be back about 1hr before lynch

im willing to read with open eyes from comes out of this conversation. that one is pretty bad and hard to ignore

what do you mean?
i am sorry i dont even know anymore because i see a thing one way and everyone sees it completely other way.