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I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track.
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Why is rayn or az mafia from your pov?
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On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs
I'm pretty sure you tried to put him there at some point. I agree with your points on rayn though. The AZ stuff looks like you just want to add someone to the mix to dilute it a little bit.
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Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
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##vote: dmb
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On June 11 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
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##vote: dmb Man... I need to drag out a conversation with you. It's painful as fuck for me. You call me 100% mafia. And now you don't vote me? Dafuq.
I still think you are mafia. But I also think dmb is mafia. And I think trfel's case on dmb has more pull.
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On June 11 2024 05:12 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:10 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
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##vote: dmb Man... I need to drag out a conversation with you. It's painful as fuck for me. You call me 100% mafia. And now you don't vote me? Dafuq. I still think you are mafia. But I also think dmb is mafia. And I think trfel's case on dmb has more pull. Well I'm fairly confident that Koshi's town unless he super pocketed me but I don't buy that. And you think I'm townish from one of your recent posts posts. So that makes me slightly confused as well.
What are you confused about?
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On June 11 2024 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:13 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs Are you insane i thought marv is mafia most of the night? really? marv with his 15 page filter????? Why do people think filter size is an alignment factor???
oracle moment from slam, throwing shade into heuristics used to determine alignment of dead players
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On June 11 2024 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:37 sandroba wrote:
I finally have time to play again. Sorry all - family stuff kept me super busy during the weekend. I'm glad that even though I was inactive I was not lynched, but it sucks that you killed Kelsier which to me was one of the town reads I was more confident about. I have to catch up from around page ~30 onwards !! Hoping there is some juicy stuff around the lynch. Complaining about the lynch he had no influence on mm yes disagreeable Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 22:34 sandroba wrote:
Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town. Over explained townread that has a significant portion trying to hedge his read which says he’s overcompensating acting like he’s really thinking about his “process” Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:52 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs I'm pretty sure you tried to put him there at some point. I agree with your points on rayn though. The AZ stuff looks like you just want to add someone to the mix to dilute it a little bit. Very odd to say to koshi when you are tying in both koshi and rayns alignment together
You are either mafia or just insanely biased. Not sure what is more egregious, this post or Koshi coming in and calling it "good points".
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game?
I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia.
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I'll vote any of rayn/dmb/koshi, whoever of these has the most support behind I'm game.
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I mean I suppose dmb is not 100% to be scum, just very likely. If I'm wrong about any of these I think the remaining has to be within Oats/AZ/scott? But they all have done things that make it hard to believe they are mafia. I guess oats and AZ could pull it off if they are just next level scum.
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On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie?
I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process.
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Look I also think it's more likely oats and az are both town, I'm good with sticking to my guns until there is a glaring reason to change course. I think the reason to hedge and consider alternatives here is if somehow there are townies amongst the 3 in the group I think are mafia, there is more incentive to reconsider and join this side of the lynch.
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On June 11 2024 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process. Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument
Rayn has demonstrated 2 times with these incongruent reads, both around rsoul / koshi. First was when rsoul said she found me suspicious day 1. Rayn came into the thread and said this was "the best case so far" and that it made rsoul town. He then later asked rsoul what the case was about and also gave some contradicting meta on rsoul. At this point rayn by his own admission read me town. I contradicted the meta he posted, he agreed with my characterization and still stuck with his read. His read on rsoul was completely fabricated out of thin air, all the basis for it where fake.
And the latest one with koshi, starts with rayn opinion on my posts:
On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh
On June 10 2024 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i can't see it, can you help me see it?
Koshi nor anyone say anything about me between this post and this post:
On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok?
In between there is incongruent and seemly random commentary about koshi's posts:
On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering.
On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post.
On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.-
Rayn progression shows no rational line of thought whatsoever, it's like night and day from the previous game where anyone who read his posts could clearly see where he was coming from.
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Hmm, I honestly missed this koshi post on my catch-up, that does make this rayn evolution seem less random than what I was seeing. I have to re-read rayn now. It might be the case that the first interaction tainted my perspective and I ignored things I shouldn't have.
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Would this perspective by koshi be enough to move him from very townie to showing up in his lynch list though. Might be confirmation bias again, but could point to them working together.
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On June 08 2024 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Interested in hearung more aboytthis.
On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar.
Erm, rayn - were you talking about your own read of rsoul and not rsoul's read of me at this point?
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I think he might have been... and all my assumptions are just idiotic
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Well that has no bearing on dmb though, trfel's case on her is still the strongest in the thread. Koshi / rsoul even rayn might still be scum, but it would be due to sheer luck if I stumbled on the right answer
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