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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 03:35 GMT
#697
On June 08 2024 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 12:27 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter


You can literally read his first eight posts and spot something that at the very least would likely make him mafia.

Explain


It‘s not fun if I explain it I dropped the cues.
Maybe someone else is more willing ?

I will explain but not immediately
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 12:38 GMT
#888
On June 08 2024 20:33 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 20:18 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:38 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:
Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all.
On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:
On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:
On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.

Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.

That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious.

If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place.

And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however?

New top suspect, I think.

I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track.
On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)

When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one
So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait?

Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him.

Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later.

I can talk about this.

I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were.

Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made.
aawwwwww

Mate. I probably shouldn't have posted my first post
Game started at 10 for me and earliest chance I had to read was 4 sitting on plane

In short hectic mad day and I was so excited to make intro post for first time.in maybe 6years.. I see the length of the game and was like wtf I dont have time.to do this before take.off and lose reception.

Quickly skim and rsoultin and trfel.poats were the ones where my mind just disconnected from. Could not engage

So put it out there to just have out it out there

I wouldn't say the post content was forced because it's how I felt at that moment, although the sentiment that I needed to post something , yes was forced

It's also part of why I retracted once I landed and read thoroughly

This is his explanation for the stuff I picked up on with regards to your early posting.

I understand that people make mistakes (especially early) but do I buy this? Is it the right sort of mistake? Is it the sort of mistake town makes?

It’s not carelessness, it’s a characterisation of your posts as forced/contrived.

It’s difficult tbh.

‘The sentiment that I needed to post something, yes was forced’

Similar to what he said about (not) fitting in

I don’t like any of it.
I can follow your progression so it's valid just wrong unfortunately.

I have enjoyed the vibe the past page even though it's about me. Exclude me fine but it all feels townie including alpha.

I will respond to alpha once I finish date night so sometime before cycle. Just not now.

One caveat I will add which unfortunately doesn't help anyone is.. my reads are highly volatile and my language is much looser than how others would.use the same phrases. I totally get why alpha says I justify conclusions. In my mind I haven't concluded anything it's just the..peak of my snapshot at that point. Is what it is. Would.like to be different and personally after 6years from this game.im.surprised.myself to see that come.out.

I think I'm going to have to commit to a full re read which I really dont want to do but if alpha is actually town I want to remove that bias

Right now. If you ask me who to lymch. My strongest inclination is to sheep onto something that I can relate to which i havent yet seen but am.expecting between now and end of cycle. I reckon this will push you more scum into me but again is what it is.


Let me just say that this is also pretty meh. Mocsta imo is struggling to form believable reads.

I have sympathy for keeping you around on D1 but only cause you don‘t play that often.

But then I‘d also want you to be clear in who to lynch instead.

Show us who is keeping you lost and shaking in the scum qt.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 12:41 GMT
#890
On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum?


Is she? Whats the case ?

You have my vote now

##vote: kelsi3r

For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate


Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo.

Town points if you see what I see.


His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her.

That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 12:59 GMT
#896
On June 08 2024 21:43 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum?


Is she? Whats the case ?

You have my vote now

##vote: kelsi3r

For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate


Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo.

Town points if you see what I see.


His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her.

That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh.


Since when do you shy away from associative reads . That’s like your bag, your house and your 401k


I‘ve got wise as they say.
Sounds like something iamperfection would say.

I‘m evaluating a dmb lynch, got work in an hour.

I don‘t know what the fuck rayn is doing, maybe he got masoned and is writing smut with marv in there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 13:08 GMT
#898
On June 08 2024 22:03 Trfel wrote:
Starting on p10

Kelsi3r: AlphaZero has a good point about scott31337, not sure what it means about scott31337 but it makes AlphaZero and rsoultin look good
Mocsta: Asks Kelsi3r why the read on rsoultin matters with regards to AlphaZero, to be honest I don't know what this means
Kelsi3r: it's up to you why my read matters
Mocsta: you mentioned rsoultin affecting your read on AlphaZero (again idk what he is saying)
Kelsi3r: what don't you understand?
Mocsta: why isn't rsoultin mafia?
Kelsi3r: why is rsoultin mafia?
Mocsta: votes for Kelsi3r

I really don't think Mocsta is saying that rsoultin is mafia, rather, he is asking why Kelsi3r said rsoultin is towny. Huge difference.


I can see what you mean.
Maybe you‘re right and I misinterpreted.

In which case I‘ll adjust vote to either Kelsier or Scott. But leaning Kelsier.

I don‘t have strong convictions otherwise.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 13:10 GMT
#899
I did scott though. I prefer to vote with marv and sandro for the time being.

Kelsier doesn‘t try hard to look good so that‘s a plus on his side too.

And I remain faithful to the early hunch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 13:29 GMT
#901
btw thanks for the mocsta presentation trfel (:
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 13:51 GMT
#908
On June 08 2024 22:37 Trfel wrote:
Sure thing. Honestly I'm surprised you are considering lynching die_meatbaby, you think she is mafia I assume?


No I think she‘s nothingburger.
Didn‘t like the part where she felt excluded by rsoultin but that‘s it
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:13 GMT
#920
I don't like Kelsier for mafia after a reread.
Maybe I'm getting reverse psych'd again but it's just too nonchalant for me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:16 GMT
#921
On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:
I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.

I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment
And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.

I search for Vivax -

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town.


20 hours ago

The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.

A post an hour ago

Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him

And now he votes for him.

But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.

Seems suspicious to me.




The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate.

I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:44 GMT
#924
I don't know what rsoultin is reading because I liked these posts from sandro and I think everyone else should too. It isn't shallow yeehaw stuff a la Oats, it shows how accurately he is thinking about the game.

On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda.



On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile

on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie


Scummy points to rsoultin. Don't look at me I'm just a hat.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:51 GMT
#926
On June 08 2024 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum?


Is she? Whats the case ?

You have my vote now

##vote: kelsi3r

For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate


Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo.

Town points if you see what I see.


His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her.

That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh.
blatantly false

Kelsier was intentionally avoiding answering my questions so I phrases in opposite direction

Should be bleeding obvious comparing the sequence of posts

I don't like this push br0


It's ok br0 Trfel already clarifi3d
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:57 GMT
#928
On June 08 2024 23:56 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 11:38 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum?


Is she? Whats the case ?

You have my vote now

##vote: kelsi3r

For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate


Ah yes this is a vote that makes Mocsta mafia imo.

Town points if you see what I see.


His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her.

That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh.
blatantly false

Kelsier was intentionally avoiding answering my questions so I phrases in opposite direction

Should be bleeding obvious comparing the sequence of posts

I don't like this push br0


It's ok br0 Trfel already clarifi3d
yeah saw after

I still.dont see how you misinterpreted to begin with..dont believe this is day1 worthy though


I already struggled to see your progression on the rsoultin read so it was actually really easy for me to spot you seemingly voting Kelsier for not scumreading her which was my original interpretation.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 14:59 GMT
#930
Tinfoil theory: It's rayn, Slam and marv because rayn and slam so far have had suspicions on marv when nobody else had and they want to annoy him with the soft busses.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 15:22 GMT
#935
On June 09 2024 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
I’ll let vivax play


Thanks. I'm already living in bozo country, so I assume you're applying for a passport.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 15:28 GMT
#939
On June 08 2024 04:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 04:37 Vivax wrote:
On June 08 2024 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 08 2024 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Marv town btw

explain please.


I see a genuine effort and I like where his head is at.
You don‘t ?

Oof read his recent posts lol


Marv this is what he had to say about you.
He ridiculed my townread on you this is outrageous
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 15:55 GMT
#943
Everytime I filter the flying dutchwoman it's like I'm reading her having a conversation with herself.
Monologuing herself out of having to push something in perpetuum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 16:13 GMT
#945
On June 09 2024 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 00:55 Vivax wrote:
Everytime I filter the flying dutchwoman it's like I'm reading her having a conversation with herself.
Monologuing herself out of having to push something in perpetuum.

Rsoul?


Yeah.

I lowkey think Trfel and rayn are trying to help her be less obvious lol.
Or maybe I'm just overconfident.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 16:26 GMT
#946
But she keeps mentioning Scott + Kelsier without ever reaching any sort of obvious conclusion. Then she begins to look into Sandro ehh?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 08 2024 16:50 GMT
#951
On June 09 2024 01:45 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 01:13 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 09 2024 00:55 Vivax wrote:
Everytime I filter the flying dutchwoman it's like I'm reading her having a conversation with herself.
Monologuing herself out of having to push something in perpetuum.

Rsoul?


Yeah.

I lowkey think Trfel and rayn are trying to help her be less obvious lol.
Or maybe I'm just overconfident.

Youre town so thats good


It‘d be of help to me if you could be a bit more decisive on the scott vs kelsier debate
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