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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:05 GMT
#5421
On June 21 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:52 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:27 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
it is very simple.
I scum read Mocsta.

You post stupid shit, you dont try to explain why i am wrong on my read, you dont try to get me anywhere, you just tell me i am mafia over and over again for no reason.

You agree with Mocsta on everything, even the stuff that should make you scumread him even a little bit. But no, it is just rayn is mafia because what.. Koshi said so and no smart stuff... Sure there is no smart stuff when you have to lynch me and you dont wanna make enemies.

Why are you bringing up Mocsta over red check last phase? I think even Mocsta can understand that (since he is not using it against me). Why are you using all the stupid shit against me? All the stuff i have already answered.

What is my mafia motivation to lynch Mocsta over DMB last phase?


If Mocsta is town then you get a nice lylo with a parity cop check between slam and dmb.

No DP, this is all bad shit.

If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day...

Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D

You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted.
Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you.


why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything.

really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam???????????


No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit.

And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW.

Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently.

same goes to you bud.

yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore.
is that scummy for you?


Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase.

point it to me like i was five.

if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game?


then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB

we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game

there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me,

and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end.

So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me.


so you really claim you believe this?
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:05 GMT
#5422
On June 21 2024 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:01 AlphaZero wrote:
Feel free to try and lynch me. I really don't care at this point. the game isn't fun or engaging when i just have to argue with you in circles.

You are trying to win the argument, not solve. therefore, you are mafia.


and now i am gonna say AtE.
fuck you for saying that shit when i have gone through your arguments on me being mafia, and then your response is that i am just mafia for the same arguments again and not telling why my response is bad.


I am very deliberately avoiding getting into an argument of semantics with you because.

1.) i don't think that alters if you are mafia or not if you win an argument on semantics

2.) its a huge time sink and frankly not that enjoyable.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:05 GMT
#5423
On June 21 2024 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:52 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:27 AlphaZero wrote:
[quote]

If Mocsta is town then you get a nice lylo with a parity cop check between slam and dmb.

No DP, this is all bad shit.

If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day...

Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D

You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted.
Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you.


why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything.

really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam???????????


No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit.

And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW.

Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently.

same goes to you bud.

yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore.
is that scummy for you?


Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase.

point it to me like i was five.

if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game?


then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB

we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game

there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me,

and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end.

So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me.


so you really claim you believe this?


whats hard to believe about it?

"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:08 GMT
#5424
i wish i could speak english better.
i dont have the words to argue.
i dont think this argument has anything about semantics, but DP is gonna make it look like it is.

It is simply just i have argued my case(s), he hasn't argued against them.
Yet he calls me mafia, or my cases bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:08 GMT
#5425
On June 21 2024 09:05 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:52 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
No DP, this is all bad shit.

If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day...

Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D

You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted.
Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you.


why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything.

really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam???????????


No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit.

And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW.

Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently.

same goes to you bud.

yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore.
is that scummy for you?


Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase.

point it to me like i was five.

if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game?


then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB

we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game

there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me,

and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end.

So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me.


so you really claim you believe this?


whats hard to believe about it?


youre mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:09 GMT
#5426
Slam, logs pls!
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:11 GMT
#5427
On June 21 2024 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:05 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2024 08:52 AlphaZero wrote:
[quote]

why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything.

really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam???????????


No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit.

And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW.

Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently.

same goes to you bud.

yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore.
is that scummy for you?


Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase.

point it to me like i was five.

if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game?


then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB

we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game

there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me,

and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end.

So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me.


so you really claim you believe this?


whats hard to believe about it?


youre mafia.


wrong, but at least if you are town then we are both bad.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:12 GMT
#5428
its okay, gonna write a case and that's it
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:12 GMT
#5429
On June 21 2024 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam, logs pls!


we haven't talked that much. and he is not around now.

I am not manipulating him or whatever it is you are trying to imply.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:18 GMT
#5430
it would be more helpful if you can town case scott for me.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:19 GMT
#5431
On June 21 2024 09:18 AlphaZero wrote:
it would be more helpful if you can town case scott for me.

you or mocsta is mafia.
that's my town case.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:22 GMT
#5432
On June 21 2024 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 09:18 AlphaZero wrote:
it would be more helpful if you can town case scott for me.

you or mocsta is mafia.
that's my town case.


pretty shit case.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:22 GMT
#5433
Not something we can look into if you flip town.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:26 GMT
#5434
1) DP is trying to tell me need to solve the game if i am town. yet everything i do is mafia, he doesnt think scott is town so me having a town read on scott is scummy? he doesnt think mocsta is mafia so anything i ever say on mocsta goes unlabeled, just because rayn is mafia and mocsta is town. what am i supposed to do in his mind if i am town? He is not really keeping an open mind as he claims, about the alignments of people.

2) DP brushes off all the cases, all the points i make on anyone. Whatever i say he does not say "here, rayn, you are wrong", instead he says "no rayn, this is why you are mafia". then he claims -- again -- that i am not trying to solve, but just looking for lynch, which is ridiculous in the first place.

3) DP cant tell why i am mafia. All the exact points he has made, i have refuted. Yet he keeps refreshing points that can't be answered.

DP is mafia.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 21 2024 00:28 GMT
#5435
lol.

Ok any doubt I had is gone.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:29 GMT
#5436
4) from all our QT, from all the night kills, from all the NON-night kills, DP should have a reasonable doubt that i am mafia. yet he claims the exact opposite.

5) refuses to look at any points i make on mocsta. literally any points, while some of those should be definitely at least interesting for him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:30 GMT
#5437
4) and 5) are the biggest points, because they are actually in thread, and he never answered those things when i gave my response
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:31 GMT
#5438
On June 21 2024 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2024 00:08 AlphaZero wrote:
here is the thing, Rayn is not helping to solve the game any further than the part about him not dying.

This is simply not true. I have made a case on Mocsta, i am pushing my case on Mocsta, even when noone is listening to me. That has been everything i have done this phase, regardless of when everyone disagrees with me. How in the hell is that rayn is just trying to not get lynched???

Show nested quote +
Night kills point to Rayn and away from mocsta me and scott.

Bad argument, but okay, if you wanna talk about night kills.

N1 marvellosity: there is simply no reason why marv being killed should point towards ANYONE in the game. Every single mafia team in this game has a reasonable reason to kill marv. Every... Single... One...

N2 Oatsmaster: Oats townread me more than any of you three, 100% true and certain every time in this game!!! Claiming that N2 kill points to rayn is just absurd as fuck.

N3 Trfel: The only people this night kill does NOT point towards, is me and you. Because Koshi was roleblocked N3, neither you or me would be stupid enough to read Koshi as blue but NOT read Koshi as PC with a check on DMB + Slam. I fucked that up, i guess you fucked that up too, not realising he was blue. Mafia however definitely thought he is blue, because they roleblocked him. Mocsta mumbles something about jailkeeper yadda yadda when every smart person knows there is no jailkeeper in the game. If he genuinely believed that, then he genuinely could have been avoiding JK. Scott can make that kill with dmb too, because i dont even know what scott is doing anymore. So that kill also, points away from me (as well as you).

N4 Koshi: you really think killing a claimed parity cop points to anyone? Are you high or what.

So, which night kills point towards me and "away from other people"???
I am starting to find it very hard to believe you are actually making these claims as town.

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rayn did weird shit trying to avoid lynching the red check.

This is simply NAI. First of all i did never ever believe i will get Mocsta lynched over basically confirmed mafia (which dmb even wasn't -- everyone was taking MY word on Slam being town -- including you and Koshi). I simply did it for the following reasons:
1) Second game to last, VE got almost lynched over red checked Oats (lol). I imitated the stupid town sentiment (no mafia voting for VE there -- only townies), which hilariously enough i would have believed if i was in game still
2) There was a chance scott will do something stupid if he is mafia. Sure, very tight chance like 1%, but there is just nothing to lose there.
3) At the time i thought dmb, mocsta and scott contain 2 mafia. Didn't care in which order we lynch them all.

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Rayn did not do smart town rayn things.

Untrue. I have done many smart rayn things:
1) figured out you are DP N1.
2) questioned why scott didnt die D1 if you and marv are both town (i might be WRONG but you yourself said it is smart)
3) single handedly pushed sandroba lynch when everyone was on vivax and saying "wow when sandroba posts he is so town"
4) figured out and told you and koshi slam is town, which ended up in dmb lynch ultimately (because koshi thought slam is more likely to be mafia before me convincing him)

Show nested quote +
Rayn is mafia.

IF you really believe that, then have fun on the final day, because i will make sure you are gonna get lynched!!

Show nested quote +
Like the fact he even casts any doubt on my alignment here proves it. It just feels like the last two phases he is trying to not get lynched but surely by this late in the game he can make a convicing case on mafia if he is town.

Trying to not get lynched by "voting another person than "confirmed" mafia? Clear contradiction there DP!!!
Trying to not get lynched by "telling everyone Mocsta is mafia AGAINST ALL THE ODDS in the world atm"?
That's how you perceive "trying to not get lynched"?

I've made a case, now i am starting to doubt it because you look fucking scummier by every single post you make in this thread. You dont refute any of my arguments, you dont see anything scummy in Mocsta's play (while saying "we have all been doing scummy stuff" -- which is btw wrong, i have not been doing scummy stuff because i am not scum. By fucking definition i cannot be doing scummy stuff if i am town!!!).

You simply agree with everything Mocsta says when almost everything is stupid stuff that doesnt even make any sense at all. His voting record is definiteyl the scummiest of the players left in the game. I will come back to that a bit later. You not being able to see that.... i don't know what is worse, him doing that or you not seeing him doing that. You literally can't even see why his voting on D3 is scummy as shit while YOU SHOULD BE the first person to realise why it is!!!!! Somehow you just simply ignore all of it.

Is it because you just want to get a lynch?

Show nested quote +
but he is just not doing it.

I hope this doesn't blow up in my face like the vivax lynch.

But here we are.

Bullshit as explained above.

I hope this blows up in your fucking face whatever alignment you are.

Yeah, here we are DP.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:32 GMT
#5439
If you other people dont read anything other this game, read that post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2024 00:33 GMT
#5440
So, which night kills point towards me and "away from other people"???
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