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If you're bored you should talk to me :/
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I dunno, who would be interested in lynching scott31337?
If I had to guess, I would think maybe AlphaZero might be interested? Maybe? Looks like Alakaslam too? Koshi doesn't seem to think so anymore, so I guess that's probably it. So unless something changes, I'll drop it for now.
Then I'm really starting to wonder if Vivax is mafia, honestly.
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Anyone else think Vivax is mafia?
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The lack of activity suggests to me that die_meatbaby is town. I would now like to lynch scott31337 or Vivax instead.
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It's probably too late but I might as well try.
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I guess die_meatbaby also didn't post anything, which doesn't make me want to keep her around tbh, but I think that if mafia were defending her it would be more vocal, and if mafia were bussing her, it would also probably be more vocal.
I guess I have to compensate for having bad reads by playing games to try and figure out who is mafia, bleh.
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On June 15 2024 08:07 die_meatbaby wrote:
I am finish with work. I am here. I have to catch up... Oh, look at the timing.
Seriously, can we lynch someone else? I'm sorry for being bad but I will try and compensate by being random and unpredictable and catching mafia off guard at least.
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On June 15 2024 08:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 07:59 Trfel wrote:
The lack of activity suggests to me that die_meatbaby is town. I would now like to lynch scott31337 or Vivax instead. I thought my activity problem here is one of the reasons why I am mafia in your eyes? No no no, not your lack of activity, the game's lack of activity.
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Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something?
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On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently.
I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today.
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On June 15 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though. What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you?
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On June 15 2024 08:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 07:59 Trfel wrote:
The lack of activity suggests to me that die_meatbaby is town. I would now like to lynch scott31337 or Vivax instead. wait.. whats different to the sandroba lynch? that was settled 5hrs before deadline Before the day 2 deadline:
30 minutes/page
1 hour/page
20 minutes/page
40 minutes/page
20 minutes/page
40 minutes/page
40 minutes/page
12 minutes/page
30 minutes/page
I think you see my point?
Compared to here, until I posted that I wanted a different lynch:
3 hours/page
2 hours/page
2 hours/page
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On June 15 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:36 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though. What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you? No you only look at surface level stuff. Or how compliant players are to your demands So if I were to translate from Vivax-speak, you're mad because I am ignoring your filter-length-town argument and am trying to gauge how much support there is for different lynches? When it's barely two hours until a deadline?
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On June 15 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:42 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:36 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though. What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you? No you only look at surface level stuff. Or how compliant players are to your demands So if I were to translate from Vivax-speak, you're mad because I am ignoring your filter-length-town argument and am trying to gauge how much support there is for different lynches? When it's barely two hours until a deadline? I gave you the reasons for me scumreading az in discord Don‘t act like I didn‘t when you didn‘t give any evaluation on them. Uh, what?
First, that has nothing to do with it, and second, I said that I looked into it and your reasons didn't make any sense?
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On June 15 2024 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2024 08:45 Alakaslam wrote:On June 15 2024 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2024 08:38 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My personal opinion is that the person who acted most suspiciously during D2 is Mocsta.
Then there is scott.
Then there is DMB.
Then there is AZ, and finally Vivax.
I think those 5 people have 2 mafia in them. That's my order of their scumminess. And with vivax it's even very very thin chance, since i think every single player other than me left in the game wanted to lynch vivax on D2 over a very thin flimsy case.
I have not however read properly what has happened after yesterday, i didn't have time, and i need to sleep soon. I am voting for dmb because i think Koshi has very good intuition, and he is town. So you voting me because of a read what somebody else made? Nice. Koshi didn´t even drop a fucking case. Trfl at least took the afford to explain why i look like scum Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that. *what* case? Trfel's and Koshi's, both are basically saying the same thing. Trfel who is voting Scott and is allergic to dmb lynch like me? To be fair I'm not voting scott31337 and only recently changed my mind about lynching die_meatbaby, but yeah I guess that's what he's saying.
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On June 15 2024 08:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:48 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:42 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:36 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though. What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you? No you only look at surface level stuff. Or how compliant players are to your demands So if I were to translate from Vivax-speak, you're mad because I am ignoring your filter-length-town argument and am trying to gauge how much support there is for different lynches? When it's barely two hours until a deadline? I gave you the reasons for me scumreading az in discord Don‘t act like I didn‘t when you didn‘t give any evaluation on them. Uh, what? First, that has nothing to do with it, and second, I said that I looked into it and your reasons didn't make any sense? didn‘t make any sense *to you* see what I mean by entitlement How else am I supposed to evaluate something?
"Okay well this makes no sense to me but lemme get my buddy over here to see if it makes sense to them"
Like isn't that cheating?
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On June 15 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:53 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:51 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:48 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:42 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:36 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently.
I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though. What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you? No you only look at surface level stuff. Or how compliant players are to your demands So if I were to translate from Vivax-speak, you're mad because I am ignoring your filter-length-town argument and am trying to gauge how much support there is for different lynches? When it's barely two hours until a deadline? I gave you the reasons for me scumreading az in discord Don‘t act like I didn‘t when you didn‘t give any evaluation on them. Uh, what? First, that has nothing to do with it, and second, I said that I looked into it and your reasons didn't make any sense? didn‘t make any sense *to you* see what I mean by entitlement How else am I supposed to evaluate something? "Okay well this makes no sense to me but lemme get my buddy over here to see if it makes sense to them" Like isn't that cheating? Most of scumhunting is best done by gut the limitation is that we aren‘t able to put gut into words Maybe that's how it works for you, but that's not how it works for me.
You attacked my character, then attacked my reads, then lied about me not responding to your reasons to suspect AlphaZero, and now you're accusing me of not using my gut to find mafia?
Where on earth are you going with this?!?!! What is the point? I have no idea what you're trying to say, it seems like you are making up reasons to attack me and whenever I address them, you're deflecting and coming from a different angle?
But we aren't lynching Vivax?
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I'm starting to think I'd rather lynch Vivax than scott31337 in all honesty.
Masoning me, saying next to nothing, then this flurry or random, baseless accusations, including a literal lie?
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On June 15 2024 09:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:57 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:53 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:51 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:48 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:42 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2024 08:36 Trfel wrote:
[quote]What did I do this time? Say I want to lynch you? No you only look at surface level stuff. Or how compliant players are to your demands So if I were to translate from Vivax-speak, you're mad because I am ignoring your filter-length-town argument and am trying to gauge how much support there is for different lynches? When it's barely two hours until a deadline? I gave you the reasons for me scumreading az in discord Don‘t act like I didn‘t when you didn‘t give any evaluation on them. Uh, what? First, that has nothing to do with it, and second, I said that I looked into it and your reasons didn't make any sense? didn‘t make any sense *to you* see what I mean by entitlement How else am I supposed to evaluate something? "Okay well this makes no sense to me but lemme get my buddy over here to see if it makes sense to them" Like isn't that cheating? Most of scumhunting is best done by gut the limitation is that we aren‘t able to put gut into words Maybe that's how it works for you, but that's not how it works for me. You attacked my character, then attacked my reads, then lied about me not responding to your reasons to suspect AlphaZero, and now you're accusing me of not using my gut to find mafia? Where on earth are you going with this?!?!! What is the point? I have no idea what you're trying to say, it seems like you are making up reasons to attack me and whenever I address them, you're deflecting and coming from a different angle? But we aren't lynching Vivax? I don‘t follow scripts or play the game like you think I should so if you just block off my attempts to work together with you by saying silly things like I‘m scum because I don‘t talk to you immediately you leave me with no choice but to question you in many different manners Look, I don't have any "characterizations" or "expectations" for your play. I have been trying all day phase to work with you.
For the thread, here's some of the (extremely limited) discussion in our whisperer Discord channel. Paraphrased ofc because it has to be.
Trfel: Vivax, why is AlphaZero mafia?
Vivax: no reason he is town, lets other people affect his reads, holier-than-thou tone, changed his sandroba read exactly when rsoultin scumread him and not before
Trfel: can't find the sandroba read change in question. Not sure why changing his reads based on what other people say is scummy.
Vivax: search my filter for these words, you'll found it
Trfel: I found it, but this read change was after rsoultin said AlphaZero was probably town
Vivax: doesn't matter, AlphaZero had sandroba as his top town read, then rsoultin called AlphaZero mafia, then AlphaZero backed off on his townread on sandroba. Basically the fact that rsoultin scumread AlphaZero made AlphaZero change his read on sandroba.
Trfel: I don't think that's what happened
no further responses from Vivax on this subject
First, Vivax's account of the timing of these things happening was straight up wrong. Second, why would rsoultin slightly suspecting AlphaZero, and then eventually saying that AlphaZero is probably town, make AlphaZero change his read on sandroba even after rsoultin said AlphaZero is probably town?
And then, Vivax lied and said I didn't respond about his reasoning, when I literally did, I looked up all the quotes he mentioned and it didn't make any sense to me, so I told him this?
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On June 15 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote:
@Trfel whats your opinion about everyone here is changing vote? Which vote swapping doesn’t make sense do you. Looks someone more scummy here?
This drives me fucking crazy here. I think it's hard to tell. I will evaluate it later when I have more time. I think if I tried to make a judgement now it'd be very half-baked and more likely wrong than right.
That said:
If you are town, like you say you are, people are moving off of you and looking for other lynches. Why would mafia be incentivized to do this? It's more likely that town started changing things and now everyone's going crazy (both town and mafia), but it's the fact that town started making a fuss that started it all.
Figuring out which individual things are town vs mafia is difficult when it's a rush like this.
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