Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 189

On June 13 2024 11:41 die_meatbaby wrote:

But I am always happy to see at least a nice person like you around here pls stay

On June 13 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote:

Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?

What is your dmb read?

On June 13 2024 11:44 scott31337 wrote:


I am content with how us town are in the position we are.

I just am more focused on solving this and am more straight to the point.

Ya'll want to come to the country in the United States?

On June 13 2024 11:51 die_meatbaby wrote:


Sorry I rather go to some country in scandinavia. I am searching for real freedom

On June 13 2024 11:59 scott31337 wrote:
rant time

The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well.
Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts.
**** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country.
The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer.
I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN
I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me.
The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road.
Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes.
Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes.
Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes.
Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No.
I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next.
Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that.
Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are.

It's harder to prepare for what you cannot.

rant off

On June 13 2024 13:15 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused as to who even thinks what, it feels like everyone's reads have changed significantly since the sandroba flip. Maybe I'm the stupid one for not changing my reads tbh.

Side note, I don't find the whole "scott31337 slipped that die_meatbaby is town" thing very compelling. I think it makes sense from the perspective of someone who is (theoretically) town and is overconfident in pre-flip reads. As in, it matches the rest of the way scott31337 has played.

First question, why does scott31337 scumread AlphaZero and townread Mocsta? He posted some (imo weak) reasons. In fact, scott31337 literally says "I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over" when referring to Mocsta's case of scott31337's strongest scumread, AlphaZero. But he says these are the best reasons to scumread AlphaZero. Basically I'm supposed to believe that sscott31337 thinks that this case that he doesn't think is all that strong is the best case against AlphaZero, yet he's still extremely confident in AlphaZero being mafia? Strong enough to base the rest of his reads off of AlphaZero being mafia, anyway ><

Second point, sandroba voted for scott31337 early day 1 and left his vote there. However, sandroba didn't post from page 24 until after the day 1 deadline. I think it's quite possible for sandroba to vote for his mafia partner, and then something comes up and he can't change it, even if it's a close vote against a townie.

Third point, scott31337 voted for sandroba at 4:11p EDT June 10. He was the third person to do so (after raynpelikoneet and Koshi). Would scott31337 do this as mafia? It looks like it's Koshi's vote that directly prompts him to do this (scott31337 notes Koshi's vote at 4:10p EDT and then votes for sandroba one minute later). This is about halfway through sandroba's series of catchup posts. From one perspective, it feels a little early to bus, since sandroba is actually posting at this time, but from another perspective, it feels like a good time to get a vote down, one which he can move later if needed. But, did scott31337 set himself up to move? Scott31337 was scumreading sandroba, Alakaslam, and AlphaZero. He also said he wouldn't vote for die_meatbaby.

I actually think this (point 3) is a decent reason to townread scott31337. Sandroba (flipped mafia) was reading Koshi, raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, and Alakaslam as potential mafia. He later says that he would vote for any of raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, or Koshi. He doesn't suggest voting for Alakaslam at all. Scott31337 set himself up to vote for sandroba, Alakaslam, or AlphaZero. Maybe I'm overthinking it but if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, why wouldn't they suggest lynching Alakaslam (assuming Alakaslam is town for the moment)? I just think it doesn't make much sense for mafia to walk themselves into voting separately or hoping that town randomly shenanigans onto the one scumread they have in common. Like, if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, scott31337 saying he won't vote for die_meatbaby makes it extremely unlikely for sandroba to survive. Scott31337 actually re-evaluates die_meatbaby the next day, around 12p EDT June 11, and commits to not switching. To be fair, by this point there are a large number of votes on sandroba and sandroba stopped posting.

Maybe this isn't as strong as I thought. Maybe just a slight reason to townread scott31337. I do think it's not completely negligible though.

On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.

Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)

Town
Koshi
Vivax
AlphaZero

Town Lean
Mocsta

Null
scott31337
Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet

Mafia Lean
die_meatbaby

I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next.