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On June 11 2024 23:43 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process. Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument Rayn has demonstrated 2 times with these incongruent reads, both around rsoul / koshi. First was when rsoul said she found me suspicious day 1. Rayn came into the thread and said this was "the best case so far" and that it made rsoul town. He then later asked rsoul what the case was about and also gave some contradicting meta on rsoul. At this point rayn by his own admission read me town. I contradicted the meta he posted, he agreed with my characterization and still stuck with his read. His read on rsoul was completely fabricated out of thin air, all the basis for it where fake. And the latest one with koshi, starts with rayn opinion on my posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i can't see it, can you help me see it? Koshi nor anyone say anything about me between this post and this post: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? In between there is incongruent and seemly random commentary about koshi's posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.- Rayn progression shows no rational line of thought whatsoever, it's like night and day from the previous game where anyone who read his posts could clearly see where he was coming from.
Thank you for this, I will ponder
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On June 12 2024 02:00 scott31337 wrote:
Oats you still around? I know you asked for my presence. I'm around for a bit.
Not really, just wanted you to play
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On June 12 2024 02:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 02:04 scott31337 wrote:On June 12 2024 01:31 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways dmb treat me as blue macosta
Is vivax still your scum read,?
As in you both are calling each other scum? Yes - and there's three theories I have 1. Mafia DMB saw the claim believed the claim told scum buddies of the claim - scum team thought Marv as more of a threat - Mafia DMB keeps posting about the claim in the thread 2. DMB is town 3. Mafia thought the claim was fake Which makes the most sense? There *HAS* to be scum between DMB/Sandroba.. im going to lose my hair if both are town
Has to be scum between dmb/sandro
Votes rayn
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@mocsta: Not really sure why you say Sandro is in your town circle then a couple posts later you say there has to be mafia in Sandro/dmb
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On June 11 2024 23:43 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process. Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument Rayn has demonstrated 2 times with these incongruent reads, both around rsoul / koshi. First was when rsoul said she found me suspicious day 1. Rayn came into the thread and said this was "the best case so far" and that it made rsoul town. He then later asked rsoul what the case was about and also gave some contradicting meta on rsoul. At this point rayn by his own admission read me town. I contradicted the meta he posted, he agreed with my characterization and still stuck with his read. His read on rsoul was completely fabricated out of thin air, all the basis for it where fake. And the latest one with koshi, starts with rayn opinion on my posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i can't see it, can you help me see it? Koshi nor anyone say anything about me between this post and this post: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? In between there is incongruent and seemly random commentary about koshi's posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.- Rayn progression shows no rational line of thought whatsoever, it's like night and day from the previous game where anyone who read his posts could clearly see where he was coming from.
The first part of this, I’m not really sure why Rayn would change his read on rsoul based on what you said because rsoul wasn’t doing what you described at that point anyway. I couldn’t find a quote where rayn said that rsouls case on you was the best case in the game while also saying you were very townie.
The second one, koshi does post this between the two posts you pointed out
On June 10 2024 07:22 Koshi wrote:No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that.
I’m not really sure why you omitted that but I think this is pretty convincing from koshi and could easily explain why rayn flipped onto you.
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On June 12 2024 06:10 Alakaslam wrote:
We are thinking Sandro is mafia? Whose filter has the case?
Rayn mine koshi
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On June 12 2024 06:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why? Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment
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On June 12 2024 07:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 07:23 Koshi wrote:
It screams "I have no conviction and will park my vote anywhere it benefits me" Well no, he didn‘t vote me while having the opportunity. You did. Dmb did.
He wasn’t here when you were being wagoned lol
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On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline
Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else?
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On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds
It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable
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On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority.
Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist
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On June 12 2024 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist I do get it though.
Well I mean yes that but like town!mocsta context
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On June 12 2024 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does anyone know where mason went D1 or was it mafia?
Unused so mafia prob
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On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion
I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct”
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On June 12 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct” maybe that's something I can improve in the future I mean I'm not 100% on my reads obviously.. it's just I'm at a point I can work with 9 of 11 players.. unfortunately the two willing to talk (who knows maybe move as well) happen to be the two I won't work with. Sorry oats
I don’t get it though, they might not follow you but you’ve seen how persistent I can be so why wouldn’t they follow me?
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I think yall have miscommunication
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Vivax you think it’s dmb rayn koshi?
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On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta,
Vivax (0):
Koshi (0):
scott31337 (0):
in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba
Why are you not coloring Sandro green
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On June 12 2024 10:44 Vivax wrote:No I just wrote it for fun. Cmon dude
Idk I’m not really reading your posts
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On June 12 2024 10:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta,
Vivax (0):
Koshi (0):
scott31337 (0):
in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba Why are you not coloring Sandro green Cos he's not lock He's not null but I won't go to death with him like I would with you
But you colored rayn and koshi red with the assumption that Sandro is green
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