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On June 11 2024 14:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well. Correct me if I’m wrong This is assuming no blue actions Currently its 8-3 town-mafia After n2, it will be 6-3 town mafia After n3 it will be 4-3 town mafia. Even if Sandro is town, we still get 1 more mislynch to lylo. Why the doom and gloom? Hm, I thought tomorrow was LYLO. Point taken. This only applies if Alakaslam is replaced (unlikely) or is mafia, though. If he's town, a 4v3 without Alakaslam's vote is game over. Even if Alakaslam is mafia or replaced, you think it's reasonable for town, minus the best two players, to unite and lynch three mafia in a row when people are not listening in the slightest? It doesn't matter how obvious we make it, if people aren't going to listen it doesn't matter how good your argument is.
Who are the two best players? We also can lynch 1 mafia and 1 town then we have to lynch 2 mafia in a row. Or 2 mafia and 1 town then the last mafia. Or Sandro is mafia and we all are happy
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Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too.
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On June 11 2024 14:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:38 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
You're completely ignoring the quality of the arguments on both sides. We've put forward tons of strong reasons to suspect many people on the sandroba wagon. In contrast, the sandroba voters have pointed out that he has a three page filter. Some things just aren't equal. You are completely ignoring the “my wagon is much more pure” I'm not going to defend every single word AlphaZero says. If you think he's mafia, you can say why. If not, then I don't know why you are doing this. I think he's frustrated. There's plenty of reason to be frustrated. I'm not going to critique the littlest things that don't matter. In all honesty..... Should we lynch scott31337? Do we have the numbers? It might be better than lynching sandroba here, if it's possible.
Im doing this alphazero thing because it’s fucking annoying to talk to someone who is constantly saying that I’m playing the game wrongly when nobody has even flipped??
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing.
Why do you want to keep Sandro alive so much actually? He’s been utterly useless to town
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing.
And like this is the type of tone I’ve been using this game too so you want to propose to lynch yourself for being anti town too?
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Just calm down trfel. You don’t actually want to lynch scott
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On June 11 2024 15:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
(...)
[*] Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
(...) I seem to have found a loophole, I can apparently get myself modkilled as long as it doesn't help my team. Side note, curious if we are enforcing this: Show nested quote +On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
Please cite examples of me being a jerk ty
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Okay let me reset because clearly this isn’t the way that any game should go.
I apologize for any of the posts I’ve made that are inflammatory and not relevant to the game/solving mafia.
I totally understand if your experience hasn’t been good and I am sorry about that.
Going forward I just want to have fun and enjoy playing mafia and I hope to foster an environment that it will be possible to have fun, win or lose
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Here’s my current situation. I think Sandro is the scummiest person in the game currently. I’m not interested in the construction of the wagons on d2.
To get me to vote for someone that isn’t Sandro, you have to convince me that the person is scummier than Sandro. Not any other way.
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Very fun that our lynch pool is afk Sandro and afk dmb
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I think we just keep it simple and lynch Sandro.
I don’t see the benefit of trying to swing for a home run here with Rayn
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On June 11 2024 21:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. @vivax thats way to risky to post as mafia This I don‘t understand. Why ? Or the mocsta blue read. I don‘t think she‘d believe that was a legit claim.
You think she would be able to tell that mocsta was joking if she was town?
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On June 11 2024 21:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 21:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 21:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. @vivax thats way to risky to post as mafia This I don‘t understand. Why ? Or the mocsta blue read. I don‘t think she‘d believe that was a legit claim. You think she would be able to tell that mocsta was joking if she was town? Looks like fake dumbtell to me. No one would believe his claim at night. Genius if he actually is though lol
Dmb dumb telled hella a lot in the other game that she played though
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I need to reread the dmb and Sandro interactions to figure out if they are likely scum/scum
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On June 11 2024 22:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I need to reread the dmb and Sandro interactions to figure out if they are likely scum/scum How did you go If vivax/oats/mocsta jump onto there is a majority Would mean you being on a wagon with sandroba though
I’m sorry I don’t understand what this means
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On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia.
You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie?
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On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process.
Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument
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@koshi,
When you said that trfel went from hero to zero, what moments did you think he was a hero in and what moments was he zero in
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