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On June 11 2024 13:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? Not really sure why rayn being an huge egoist is a scumtell tbh What about raynpelikoneet being unable to construct a rational thought? Do you actually think that raynpelikoneet, as town, could actually believe that case has any merit?
Yes? I’m voting for Sandro?
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On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post?
Highest degree of mafianess
Sandro
Slam
Dmb
Mocsta
Vivax
Koshi
Rayn
Scott
Az
Trfel
Lowest degree of mafianess
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On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo
Who?
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On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel.
Why would mafia rayn mason anyone?
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On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game?
I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment.
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On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick.
So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours.
Great plan
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On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically
I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on"
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On June 11 2024 14:15 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post? Highest degree of mafianess Sandro Slam Dmb Mocsta Vivax Koshi Rayn Scott Az Trfel Lowest degree of mafianess Slam? Really?? Even with the replace out.?
Out of game
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On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding.
You know the alignments?
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On June 11 2024 14:20 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick. So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours. Great plan He doesn’t know my Timezone.
27 hours covers every timezone
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On June 11 2024 14:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post. On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game? I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment. The fact that when sandroba and I explained it, he didn't change his view at all?
I’m not sure why he’s supposed to change his mind when Sandro explains it. He addresses in his final post currently that he doesn’t think you’ve sufficiently argued against his point.
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On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well.
Correct me if I’m wrong
This is assuming no blue actions
Currently its 8-3 town-mafia
After n2, it will be 6-3 town mafia
After n3 it will be 4-3 town mafia.
Even if Sandro is town, we still get 1 more mislynch to lylo. Why the doom and gloom?
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On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding. You know the alignments? Oh fuck off
I’m not the one saying everyone not on my wagon is scumsiding
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Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly
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On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick. So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours. Great plan He doesn’t know my Timezone. 27 hours covers every timezone He went to sleep when I was around,.
Okay well let us know what comes out of it, preferably before lynch. I’m assuming you’ve typed in there
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On June 11 2024 14:30 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding. You know the alignments? Oh fuck off I’m not the one saying everyone not on my wagon is scumsiding The DMB wagon looks much more pure.
Scott and trfel are equal, otherwise you and me are equal.
So where is this “much more pure” coming from?
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I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
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On June 11 2024 14:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly dude.. you are doing the same thing this is all TvT, need faith i get you dont want to listen to me, im in your bottom half and its ok like.. mafia do not have to do anything right now.. the people here actually care.. we not just talking shit for the sake of it thats town br0
How am I calling the people I think are town not playing the game the right way?
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On June 11 2024 14:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
You're completely ignoring the quality of the arguments on both sides. We've put forward tons of strong reasons to suspect many people on the sandroba wagon. In contrast, the sandroba voters have pointed out that he has a three page filter. Some things just aren't equal.
You are completely ignoring the “my wagon is much more pure”
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+ that’s not my argument for Sandro being mafia at all?
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