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On June 13 2024 12:51 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:39 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 12:36 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel I think you are tunneled on DMB
She could be like x% mafia in my book?
Did you read my n2 post?
There's a very low chance we were on mafia/mafia by numbers Yes, I read your night two post. I don't think I'm tunnelled on die_meatbaby, I've made plenty of clear points and I don't have any strong reads regardless so how can I be tunnelled on something if I'm not confident in anything? Why do you want me to post uninformed opinions after I literally just told you I don't know anything? @AlphaZero, if you're around for a moment, can you explain why you think Mocsta is mafia or point me towards previous explanations (sorry I forget)? Basically his read progression on my alignment. I don't think his case was an accurate representation of my alignment. and I don't understand why someone would fail to consider the IMO good reasons their prior town read could be town. He was saying not long ago that I would get shot at night, now he is utterly convinced I am mafia. It just seems to me (knowing I am town) that he is knowingly pushing a mis lynch on town here. Further, once I firmed up town read on rayn, his read on mocsta as mafia carried more weight. Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia. Then there is the obvious flailing about to get a counterwagon to sandro, which compared to my feelings of basic indifference seems scummy. Bonus points is that a Mocsta/scott team makes entire sense from the progression of day one. Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense He then joined the scott push when it was really clear that it was not going to result in anything. And now he is voting with scott on his former top town read, without the scum read really progressing to a town read in a way that makes sense. and further, scott's reasoning on me being mafia has become "because I am allergic to voting mafia" which is itself scummy and works with mocsta town because: 1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there 2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. its pretty clear to me that these are the last two mafia, but if i need to die for their lynches to happen that works, cause I don't have the time to convince people or make huge cases or anything.
"Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense"
No, you posted before rsoutin and trfel had a defense of scott you did not understand
Link Mocsta's quotes of "Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense"
"Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia."
I believe Sandroba had not posted in between when your reads have changed. So they were pretty unreasonable.
"1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there"
misrepresentation. again.
2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him.
My mindset is he is blue - It'll figure out itself D4. He could be mafia - I'm waiting for other townies.
It's pretty clear that you are still, after attempting to lynch me D1 - and muddying the waters, you are still mafia. Oats had a solid mindset, he's dead now. GG
AZ, your mindset is unreasonable from a town mindset.
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On June 13 2024 12:59 Mocsta wrote:
Wtf is this blatant lie alpha
I voted with sandroba?
Lol.. the end of day count clearly shows you are talking about yourself along with vivax
Quote this please when you accuse of such
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On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Like to boil down the essence of the reason that both scott and mocsta are mafia
They aren't trying to solve, because they aren't genuinely considering the reasons i could be town.
they are trying just trying to push a mislynch here.
We are solving the game
And now you are stepping up because you are feeling the pressure.
Anybody reasonable would understand this
That's why you shot Oats
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On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:02 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 12:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:57 Mocsta wrote:
Lots of brush off
Push pull as thread sentiment evolved is labeled as inaccurate representation.
Yet the case is your posts with colours for emphasis - nothing more
Dodge and reframe
Accuses me of being teamed with Scott for voting with a former scum read even though we have only aligned when I have town read Scott
Worse this point reflects to alphazero as a hypocrite who voted with his "actual" scum read sandroba when did you town read scott, and what happened for this town read to develop? The rest is just bluster nothing I have done is unchanged from my vote count with colours I have constantly talked of Scott beboping around being a town indicator for meAnd his shift over the past 24hrs to not bebop makes absolute sense as town because more information means the game.feels closer to being solved He hasn't done that. His top scum read hasn;t changed all game really.
Because my scum read is solid and I just have to figure out your teammate.
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away  He's watching out for your best interests! Side note, thanks for the explanation on Mocsta, I'll look into it more. You think Mocsta is more likely mafia than scott31337?
Did you blow away my N2 post?
You didn't want me to "rush" you. I would assume you are caught up in the thread?
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On June 13 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away
Nope, I want to answer anything I ask you to.
You are just reaching.
Sure found a way to work around your schedule feeling the pressure
I've learn people find the time to what's important to them
That's why I threw a lot of people out of my life
They wouldn't find time for me
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On June 13 2024 13:30 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:28 Trfel wrote:
Mocsta, can I break this down with you?
If there is something I am misunderstanding, please point it out. It is very possible that I am missing something.
You think AlphaZero is mafia for how he posts about sandroba but doesn't end up voting for him, right? Basing this off of post #3410.
Why would AlphaZero, as mafia, share so many suspicions about his mafia partner sandroba and then not bus him when it becomes obvious sandroba is being lynched and sandroba gives up? (I mean, good mafia play is to bus him before it becomes hyper obvious, but at the very least he should do it at that point) It looks to me like your argument is that AlphaZero is mafia because he set himself up to bus sandroba but then just decided not to. I could buy this if there was any hope of keeping sandroba alive, but there clearly wasn't?
Like, why does this make AlphaZero mafia when what you (Mocsta) did, defending sandroba and looking for alternative wagons, presumably comes from town? How is what AlphaZero did any scummier or more mafia motivated than what you did?
Please understand that I'm not saying this means AlphaZero is town, by any means. Just that I don't think this is any reason for him to be mafia.
Do you have any other reasons? Because this seems very weak at best. And at a glance, it's your only reason. and this is why he is mafia.
Then vote for him.
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I'm done with your waffling AZ
Fucking for someone if you believe they are mafia
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On June 13 2024 13:35 scott31337 wrote:
I'm done with your waffling AZ
Fucking for someone if you believe they are mafia
Vote for Mocsta now if you truly believe they are mafia as you do.
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AlphaZero lay your vote down if you feel so confident about it.
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On June 13 2024 13:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:37 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 13:35 scott31337 wrote:
I'm done with your waffling AZ
Fucking for someone if you believe they are mafia Vote for Mocsta now if you truly believe they are mafia as you do. why so mad?
Stop being so wishy washy mafia
If you were confident - you would have voted already
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On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.
Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)
Town
Koshi
Vivax
AlphaZero
Town Lean
Mocsta
Null
scott31337
Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet
Mafia Lean
die_meatbaby
I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next.
Then vote die_meatbaby if you believe she is mafia
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Trfel who is mafia with die_meatbaby?
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If I'm back to null I'm back to conspiracy theory on you.
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Koshi save me from these scrubs
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On June 13 2024 13:57 Trfel wrote:
I don't care at all if you think I am mafia.
I just want to know why you are so angry at your scum read(s) for doing something that indicates that they are mafia?
This is just such a muffled NAI post.
About who?
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raynpelikoneet are you willing to lynch AlphaZero?
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On June 13 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote:
I was going to read a bunch of filters and try and figure out who is mafia but I guess sometimes they just gift-wrap themselves and drop into your lap?
What does this accomplish?
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Trfel are you willing to vote AlphaZero?
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I'm not voting DMB (Who I think you want?)
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EPT
