On May 11 2024 03:38 Palmar wrote:
See what would’ve been really townie is if jealous had premade a bunch of images and the not posted them.

Also maybe just lynch Grack and Chez

On May 11 2024 05:07 Palmar wrote:
With the tiny amount of information in the thread at the moment I’m inclined to lynch into oats and grack and I kinda don’t wanna lynch Scott, truffle, rayn and Vivax. I need to make jealous do a little more to decide because pre-planned entries are for noobs and chez is well….. chez

On May 11 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:
So I liked at least one post from Vivax Trfel Scott

Don’t wanna argue with rayn

Didn’t like a post from Oats, also kinda don’t like Gracks posts, especially the one whining people can’t read him.

On May 12 2024 04:54 Palmar wrote:
I can lynch grack as well

On May 12 2024 04:56 Palmar wrote:
No I think I'll stick with Oats, I still really dislike his page 1 filter.

For the underlined parts;
First are the parts where he kind of takes some sort of stance on the discussion on Jealous' paint posts. Notice that at this point he doesn't still find Oats scummy. He wants to lynch Grack or Chez.

Then, later on, he wants to lynch Oats, because he "didn't like one of his posts". Still Grack is there, with more posts not to like. Notice that he has voted for Oats just before.

On May 11 2024 22:29 Palmar wrote:
##vote Oatsmaster

Why is Oats his top lynch target here and not Grack?

Finally he is sticking with Oats, because he didn't like his page 1 of filter. He never explains this.
But when i start asking questions about it, he says this:

On May 12 2024 04:58 Palmar wrote:
If Oats is town we just lynch Grack. If Oats is scum on the other hand, we lynch Grack.

I really don't see why Palmar is voting for Oats instead of Grack here? I mean if i am in Palmar's position here, i know my vote doesn't even matter at this point, and based on his posts he is like 100% sure that Grack is mafia, but not 100% sure Oats is mafia. Why is his vote on Oats? I don't think it should be in the first place on Oats at all.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 06:51 GMT

#492

Other reasons:

I don't know how he had a town read on Vivax when he did. I tried to ask him what is the post he liked, he never answered. I would like to hear the answer to that.

I don't know why his stance on me is "i dont wanna argue with rayn". It's not like he has to argue with me, he can still have a read on me, and if he doesnt like an argument i present, he can just say "fuck you".

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 06:54 GMT

#493

Furthermore for the night kill (or killesness) analysis.

It was weekend, it's entirely possible Palmar either missed the whole NK, sent in an NK on Vivax and didn't bother to look after that, or sent a kill on Jealous not knowing Jealous cannot be killed.

Palmar 100% never shoots Grackaroni there as mafia, but all of those other options are more likely than that mafia shot Grackaroni anyways.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:04 GMT

#494

The only people Oats tried to accuse for real, were Jealous and scott. So here's to decide:

Oats + Jealous: Oats makes a ridiculous "case" on his scumbuddy that makes everyone, including his scumbuddy to vote for him

Oats + scott: Oats makes a ridiculous "case" on Jealous that makes everyone, including his scumbuddy to vote for him, then he lands on his scumbuddy as his other scumread...

Oats + Trfel: Being almost two of the most active players, they together fail to coordinate to find any reasonable town lynch.

Oats + rayn: same as above, and i can tell you there is 0% chance Oats gets lynched this game D1 if i was mafia with him. Even if i dont have any time at all, i dont coordinate with my team THAT horribly.

Oats + Chezinu: they just failed to coordinate because time constraints.

Oats + Palmar: same as above

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:23 GMT

#495

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:40 GMT

#497

On May 13 2024 16:38 Jealous wrote:
The crazy thing is at least one of you has to be town, it could easily be both, and at most one of your targets is scum, and both of you made such compelling arguments. I am too tired to paint or decide which makes more sense, but I will be back tomorrow. Props to both of y'all.

Wait who? Me and Trfel?
Why is Trfel's argument compelling to you?

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:42 GMT

#498

If you mean scott i don't dislike his argument at all (on Chezinu), it might be correct after all.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:48 GMT

#500

On May 13 2024 16:43 Jealous wrote:

Show nested quote +

And one of us showed up and made up a reason for why they did make the NK as town and the other is just not bothering to counter?

Truth to be told there IS a reason why you would do what you did as mafia.
You don't want to make 2 night kills instead of one, because MYLO is better than LYLO as there is more targets to lynch alive.
It's an argument to make tbh.

It's however not an argument to make, because basically lying in any other way is more beneficial for you as mafia lol.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:54 GMT

#503

Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 07:55 GMT

#504

On May 13 2024 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats.

That's why i made the post where i tried to make my point clear that i think there was no reason for anyone other than Chezinu or Palmar to do that, because they could have better options to handle D1.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 08:22 GMT

#507

On May 13 2024 17:06 Jealous wrote:

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Only one person has first vote (though cancelled) and only one person voted after it was cancelled and stuck with it. Scott and myself. Either I'm scum or scott is scum or neither is scum and I think that Ockham's would dictate that it is the last of these options that makes the most sense. Both other options would necessitate one of us being the first to vote and be bussing. So, when looking at who is bussing, it has to be someone who voted after myself and Scott unless Scott bussed and got cold feet on no push-back (IIRC) or I saw a wagon start and die and decide that "now is the time to bus my partner Oats who publicly called me out so I get town cred."

Starting a town circle knowing that I am town and there is sufficient evidence that someone else is town feels like the logical play here for town, knowing that scum is alone and cannot collude with someone.

I think youre entirely right here, and ism advocating the same thing, even if i am not part of it.

Just dont get antsy with Trfel's case. It doesnt do any good if toure town.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 08:33 GMT

#508

I personally dont know why Trfel has to make that case on you if he is mafia?
He can probably just ride with Palmar or Chezinu and be good with it without too much hassle.
Especially since he would have to KNOW he is lying in making a case on you here, and i know i at least am notorious of changing my mind really fast if i see something that is bullshit. If i decided that Trfel made a big bullshit case on you, you would probably be on board as well. Is it a good idea to do that, when you have easier options?

Not saying Trfel is 100% town for making a bad case, just saying i think it is most likely a case made by a townie, based on his MO.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 08:40 GMT

#510

We'll have time. It's good.

I am more into what Palmar and Chezinu have to say atm.

raynpelikoneet

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May 13 2024 09:21 GMT

#512

On May 13 2024 18:14 Palmar wrote:
I'm voting you because the only other option is to assume you're just monumentally stupid.

I don't think you are, so you must be mafia.

If that's what you think i must say