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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 07:03 GMT
#10767
On March 20 2024 15:48 Jealous wrote:
Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow.


The whole scum team outs themselves doing that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 11:37 GMT
#10771
I’m off to bed, but I’ll be around for the four hours or so before deadline.

My current thoughts haven’t changed that much. I think dmb is the right lynch.

I feel like we finally have a bit of direction and hopefully it’s not too late.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:41 GMT
#10791
On March 21 2024 05:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 05:07 Jealous wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
All you lot are doing by trying to lynch me here is throwing the game because now out of the three of us mafia can pick the townie last minute.


Are you saying that's a slip?


That is absolutely not a slip.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:42 GMT
#10792
On March 21 2024 04:55 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this?
[image loading]

Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown.


Can you post the town spew by dmb?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:43 GMT
#10793
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

This is the same for me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:50 GMT
#10795
On March 21 2024 05:44 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:55 iamperfection wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this?
[image loading]

Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown.


Can you post the town spew by dmb?

The whole attack on you saying you were leading two Town wagons.


Oh yeah. Well that is true. But I am not sure it couldn’t have been stuck In there as fake spew.

I just found it scummy that that was the reasoning, before jealous had flipped.

She was town reading him at that time too ostensibly.

What do you think of all this vote count analysis by jealous?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:52 GMT
#10797
On March 21 2024 05:51 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

This is the same for me.

So then why were you voting me initially? Why did you switch from me to Palmar when it was 6:3 -> 5:4?


Self preservation obviously
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:53 GMT
#10798
On March 21 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 05:51 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

This is the same for me.

So then why were you voting me initially? Why did you switch from me to Palmar when it was 6:3 -> 5:4?


Self preservation obviously


But I always thought palmar was the best lynch that should be obvious from reading that day again.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 20:59 GMT
#10800
On March 21 2024 05:57 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 05:44 iamperfection wrote:
On March 21 2024 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:55 iamperfection wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.

So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this?
[image loading]

Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown.


Can you post the town spew by dmb?

The whole attack on you saying you were leading two Town wagons.


Oh yeah. Well that is true. But I am not sure it couldn’t have been stuck In there as fake spew.

I just found it scummy that that was the reasoning, before jealous had flipped.

She was town reading him at that time too ostensibly.

What do you think of all this vote count analysis by jealous?

Flawed obviously but I think he could be town.


It’s possible. Which is why I wanted the dmb wagon.

If he is town we need to figure it out definitively and make it irrefutable to the thread at night.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 21:05 GMT
#10802
On March 21 2024 06:01 Jealous wrote:
This just makes sense to me. It's exactly how today has been shaping up.

[image loading]

Lynch Palmar. Make it Jealous vs. DMB the next day and it's an easy W if DMB is town, even though neither is responsible for his ML. Iamp and DP move their votes around to save DP.



Wait so you think dmb is town now??
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 21:19 GMT
#10805
On March 21 2024 06:17 iamperfection wrote:
If jealous is town and let's say dp is town. Would leave meapak and jat. Mz has been doing this mirror thing where he spews what was just said or agrees with me.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=524#10475

And his post where he just agree with no activity might be ok.


Agree that has to be the team.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 21:45 GMT
#10807
On March 21 2024 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 06:17 iamperfection wrote:
If jealous is town and let's say dp is town. Would leave meapak and jat. Mz has been doing this mirror thing where he spews what was just said or agrees with me.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=524#10475

And his post where he just agree with no activity might be ok.

If jealous is town (does not seem very likely to me), you should really revisit the bolded assumption more critically. Fortunately, it would become more obvious with each night that dp is not killed.
MZ is not the only one who just repeated/agreed with what you had to say today.


Oh come off it.

I didn’t just repeat what perfection says I had been saying that about the unflipped wagons being called town v town with dmb forever.

And I also don’t agree that jealous is town just that the possibility is there.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 21:54 GMT
#10810
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:40 GMT
#10819
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:47 GMT
#10829
On March 21 2024 07:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:53 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:46 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.

This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away.

why do you townread dp so strong?
why would he shoot TTS?
Why would mafia not roleblock him if they know that he as a gun as he claimed it.
Why is this gun making him so fucking town and why is he not getting nk when he this much townconfirmed
how does that make sense?

I scumread Palmar and Jealous and now you tbh.

No room in my PoE for DP even if I had questions about the RB which I don't bc we already beat that horse to death on D3.

You are actively trying to prevent either a person who is openly taunting the town as scum or a person who has aggressively slipped several times. I have no idea what vivax is doing but he's still town to me unfortunately, you on the other hand are actively trying to prevent two of my scumreads from getting lynched.


why the fuck do they not night kill. When somebody is this fucking townconfirmed they get nk.
Why he pushing us all the time to a town wagon for lynch?????
How can you not see that

DP/Rels


Stop saying that, its not true, I have a better fucking record than the person I am voting for, so why do you not scum read palmar for never voting for scum this game.


because palmar is just a fucking dick of town!
and I refuse to vote on any of your wagons


You're mafia then I guess.

Half the wagons I have pushed haven't even flipped.


you basiclly pushed on everybody

CC had the hardest time here
VE
trfel

I blame you for that.
You shoot you teammate because it make sense.
You voted oats because every other vote would be scum as hell
Not voting on a cop confirmed red one is scum as hell not other option.
So that does not make you town thats makes you scum for me

I will not vote on your wagons! Never
!

Ugh, but DMB says "I will never vote on your wagons" then at the first possible chance votes for me anyway. How are all of these discordant ideas capable of living inside one person and how does one read a person like that as anything but scummy?


Yeah because as Town you could not forgett who got nk few minutes before.
This made think of you as mafia.
This hole shit after we didn´t lynch you this made me suspioses about you


This makes no sense mafia are less likely to forget nk than town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:48 GMT
#10830
On March 21 2024 07:46 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:42 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.



I am not bussing my teammates
Look back. I kinda tried to ignore my teammates. made a short read on rayn in a list post. Didn´t talk to him in thread. Just tried to talk to everbody else. Thats not how I played and how I would play

Thanks for clearing me again.


If that clears you it also clears me and implicates mz and JAT pretty seriously.
Worth remembering for after the flip.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:48 GMT
#10833
On March 21 2024 07:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:46 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:42 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.



I am not bussing my teammates
Look back. I kinda tried to ignore my teammates. made a short read on rayn in a list post. Didn´t talk to him in thread. Just tried to talk to everbody else. Thats not how I played and how I would play

Thanks for clearing me again.


If that clears you it also clears me and implicates mz and JAT pretty seriously.
Worth remembering for after the flip.


It’s probably a wifom bomb though
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:49 GMT
#10834
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


That’s what she has been saying
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:55 GMT
#10839
On March 21 2024 07:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:53 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 18 2024 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
[quote]
I scumread Palmar and Jealous and now you tbh.

No room in my PoE for DP even if I had questions about the RB which I don't bc we already beat that horse to death on D3.

You are actively trying to prevent either a person who is openly taunting the town as scum or a person who has aggressively slipped several times. I have no idea what vivax is doing but he's still town to me unfortunately, you on the other hand are actively trying to prevent two of my scumreads from getting lynched.


why the fuck do they not night kill. When somebody is this fucking townconfirmed they get nk.
Why he pushing us all the time to a town wagon for lynch?????
How can you not see that

DP/Rels


Stop saying that, its not true, I have a better fucking record than the person I am voting for, so why do you not scum read palmar for never voting for scum this game.


because palmar is just a fucking dick of town!
and I refuse to vote on any of your wagons


You're mafia then I guess.

Half the wagons I have pushed haven't even flipped.


you basiclly pushed on everybody

CC had the hardest time here
VE
trfel

I blame you for that.
You shoot you teammate because it make sense.
You voted oats because every other vote would be scum as hell
Not voting on a cop confirmed red one is scum as hell not other option.
So that does not make you town thats makes you scum for me

I will not vote on your wagons! Never
!

Ugh, but DMB says "I will never vote on your wagons" then at the first possible chance votes for me anyway. How are all of these discordant ideas capable of living inside one person and how does one read a person like that as anything but scummy?


Yeah because as Town you could not forgett who got nk few minutes before.
This made think of you as mafia.
This hole shit after we didn´t lynch you this made me suspioses about you


This makes no sense mafia are less likely to forget nk than town.


why that?
The first thing I do is to go back on the last nk. Reading this man again. Try to find out why koshi or whoever got night killed and try to get information out of it. Who would need him dead. Who was his last reads. Are his reads possibly good or just so bad the they kill him for making town to lynch his wrong reads ....
How the hell can you forgett the nk. It´s such importend to find out who scum is and to get more sure about the reads a townmember already has


Because scum have presumably been discussing the night kill in their discord. As you well know.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:56 GMT
#10840
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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