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On March 05 2024 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. I am not looking at it as an association. I think this is scummy from oats independently of cakes alignment.
It’s scummy to scumread someone for fluff posting and retract it when they start playing the game. I see
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On March 05 2024 10:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree Why? We can dictate his kill to him and lynch him if he doesn't do it. Again by agreeing with that post I assume you're accepting the premise that vivax is town
Hey that’s the thing I was talking about.
Very scummy to copy my read
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This DP push feels heavily contrived, why did that post from yonks ago trigger him
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On March 05 2024 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
What do you think of Rayn and Sandro? Who would you like for mayor?
never mind the last bit I saw it was vivax.
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On March 05 2024 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
This DP push feels heavily contrived, why did that post from yonks ago trigger him
I was rereading and it struck me as true, also you stopped caring and that doesn't parse with your town play last game.
Nice to have you back though :D
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On March 05 2024 08:23 Koshi wrote:
Also. In my opinion mafia knows TownMayor!Vivax is a bad thing for them. They also believe the claim and they want to just shoot him N1.
I believe they are ok with him being ridiculed. I believe they prefer anybody else being mayor. They are content with his situation as it is. Not on track to be mayor and not taking seriously.
For some reason I can see Rels being mafia and being the exception. I don't know why. Maybe because he is pushing TTS wrongly and wants to also be right about something as mafia. I can't explain it.
This might very well be the first good scum read you had koshi
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On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.
This play would be inspiringly stupid as scum, unless you win setup roulette then it's essentially a 1for1 swap with a blue role which is not a great deal for scum but town would take any day.
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On March 05 2024 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. I am not looking at it as an association. I think this is scummy from oats independently of cakes alignment. It’s scummy to scumread someone for fluff posting and retract it when they start playing the game. I see
No, that is not what is scummy, but if you were already sus on Cake, it stands to reason that you might push her when she is looking as bad as its possible to look, but then you kind of unvote and drop her.
Doesn't make sense
If you want to prove you are town, just post smart things and find mafia, at the moment you are thoroughly meh.
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On March 05 2024 03:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected. Vivax what's your intent regarding your lynch target? I'd just go with the second majority like MZ offered. I am mostly just interested in not playing reactively and reading and producing readslists atm. Being off the table helps me. Besides, I already know I won't need to put effort in if some players here won't give semi-confirmed town the spot. Right now they could be looking at the other ones who wanted the role but instead they just jeer.
Music to my ears. I was not impressed with vivax early D1 but I think I have to believe the claim and offering the lynch to the town is exactly what I wanted.
I'll wait until I'm fully caught up to vote but it'll probably be vivax.
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On March 05 2024 10:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. This is fair, it is very safe play. Particuarly with it petering out. as someone reading it without any meta knowledge it didn't look sus but I'll take your word for it that it's counter meta. Oh also Unvote Koshi btw that was mostly a vote to see if I could rile you up tbh tfrel first page 1 game ago: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/618165-winter-warfare-mafia?user=Trfel
You know this is quite different.
@Trifle Why is your play different this game out of curiosity?
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Let's see what everyone says about the pants on my head
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Dmb has a 3 page filter but I don’t remember a single 1 of their posts
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On March 05 2024 10:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dmb has a 3 page filter but I don’t remember a single 1 of their posts
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On March 05 2024 10:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. I am not looking at it as an association. I think this is scummy from oats independently of cakes alignment. It’s scummy to scumread someone for fluff posting and retract it when they start playing the game. I see No, that is not what is scummy, but if you were already sus on Cake, it stands to reason that you might push her when she is looking as bad as its possible to look, but then you kind of unvote and drop her. Doesn't make sense If you want to prove you are town, just post smart things and find mafia, at the moment you are thoroughly meh.
I don’t think you understand the genesis of the read
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On March 05 2024 10:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
This DP push feels heavily contrived, why did that post from yonks ago trigger him I was rereading and it struck me as true, also you stopped caring and that doesn't parse with your town play last game. Nice to have you back though :D
Much less time unfortunately than that game
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On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue."
If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor.
This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake.
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On March 05 2024 08:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:50 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:44 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
##vote: Palmar To lynch I assume? Obviously Surface level, obvious townreads without Palmar-esque reasoning behind them. Trying too hard to be funny. Mafia A solid case Best in the thread tbh I will go with that for now. Its solid ev regardless of the involved alignments.
What are you saying here?
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On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt
So scum vivax is rolling the dice on the setup D1 for shits and giggles?
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On March 05 2024 10:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor. I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around.
This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?
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