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On March 14 2024 19:48 Palmar wrote:What MZ says is not important. The entire point is this is what Rels reads out of the case: Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:
Not on bad post on Palmar TBH
Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips Essentially Rels understands this to be an associative case, ie: hinging on us being mafia TOGETHER. His claims that if either of us flip (town), the case goes out the window. So in a town!Rels world, the only outcome of the case where it has any merit is if I flip mafia, which would implicate him. But why would town!Rels just accept that outcome Additionally, town!Rels should know he's town and he thinks I'm scum!Palmar, so why is he okay with an association where the case concludes we're scum!Rels and scum!Palmar or town!Rels and town!Palmar. Either he should be attacking the idea that our alignments are linked in any way, or he should be changing his stance on me.
This post is pretty egregious.
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On March 14 2024 20:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 19:48 Palmar wrote:What MZ says is not important. The entire point is this is what Rels reads out of the case: On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:
Not on bad post on Palmar TBH
Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips Essentially Rels understands this to be an associative case, ie: hinging on us being mafia TOGETHER. His claims that if either of us flip (town), the case goes out the window. So in a town!Rels world, the only outcome of the case where it has any merit is if I flip mafia, which would implicate him. But why would town!Rels just accept that outcome Additionally, town!Rels should know he's town and he thinks I'm scum!Palmar, so why is he okay with an association where the case concludes we're scum!Rels and scum!Palmar or town!Rels and town!Palmar. Either he should be attacking the idea that our alignments are linked in any way, or he should be changing his stance on me. This post is pretty egregious.
The one being quoted by rels
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On March 14 2024 20:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 20:27 Palmar wrote:
Need more DP in my life to help Our schedules are the polar opposite. I’m about to go to sleep I can post for a bit though. What’s up? Read what I wrote about Rels' reaction to MZ case. Read jat's initial defense. Give thoughts.
Yeah I Thi k your analysis about Rels is spot on.
Jays initial defense looks like something that could be true as both alignments.
I have used similar arguments myself as town and as mafia.
It does sway me a little bit I’ll be honest. I want to see what he comes up with in terms of reads and views on the game.
As far as who could be more likely mafia at this point:
There is a large conglomerate of people who look roughly similarly likely to be mafia this game, which is making it difficult to sort.
Like I wouldn’t be surprised if koshi ended up mafia for example, or yourself.
I think perfection for me is at the top of that group as least likely to be mafia.
I will say I find your perfection case to be strange overall, as it is mostly from what I can tell a preflip association between JAT and perfection.
I have read enough old games to know that NOT doing that is somewhat of a mantra for you.
As far as the Poe goes there are still a lot of good reasons that I think cake is mafia and I find the resistance to the lynch incredible.
I also Think those people hard town reading her, likely to be spewing some additional information if she does turn out being town.
I think people like perfection, dmb, jealous all look much better if she flips town or if she flips mafia.
Rels has a few too many Tmi moments/ garnering cred moments.
I found his reaction to the tts flip to be particularly scummy.
Called it out to jealous in The mason chat at the time.
So I would look at something like a JAT/rels/cc team right now.
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On March 14 2024 20:38 Palmar wrote:
I know it's kinda bad.
Also, CC complaining about being set up to be next in line after I (her scumread) flips town is really bad as well.
Yes that is bad.
Add it to the super long list.
Then explain how some people can strongly town read her..
🤷
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You gone? I’m off to bed then.
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On March 14 2024 21:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 20:52 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 20:38 Palmar wrote:
I know it's kinda bad.
Also, CC complaining about being set up to be next in line after I (her scumread) flips town is really bad as well. Yes that is bad. Add it to the super long list. Then explain how some people can strongly town read her.. 🤷 It's the "I'm afraid to lynch an crazy townie over mafia". Like I want her to be mafia, because that makes her smart. If she is mafia she is exploiting town's resistance to killing martyrs, she spewing bullshit reasons for everything she does and getting away with it. But there is a reason people don't like killing martyrs and people who just think about the game in incredibly strange ways. Experience has taught us that there are plenty of people who don't act and play rationally as town. So do we gamble on her being clever scum and not just bad town? I don't know. I'm more inclined to do it after this latest post from her. If jat's initial defense looked a tiny bit better, CC's initial defense looked a tiny bit worse. Sentences like JAT's "I can't help but defend myself even if I know it's not the best" sound.... kinda towny? maybe? But I don't know.
I agree with that. At this point cake is just a liability either way imo.
I do not trust she is not mafia. I do not trust she will not get mislynched at mylo if she is town.
I think she is perfectly correct in saying that flipping her clarifies things for town.
So in that way I kind of like that post from her.
Part of me also just wants to lynch her cause she is clearly not having a good time.
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On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point.
I’m fine with all of those.
We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though.
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Will you be around in 8 hours still palmar?
I’ll be back then.
Until then I’m happy to be parked on JAT and see what develops from him.
If you make a decision based on what happens while I’m asleep I’ll consider it on its merits.
I plan to be around to manage the lead up to the flip
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I don’t want to get off the JAT wagon right now. It all depends on what he does when he filter dives.
That man needs to make some reads.
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On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that.
Yeah that makes sense.
My opinion right now is to stay the course on JAT and see what he does.
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On March 14 2024 21:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Will you be around in 8 hours still palmar?
I’ll be back then.
Until then I’m happy to be parked on JAT and see what develops from him.
If you make a decision based on what happens while I’m asleep I’ll consider it on its merits.
I plan to be around to manage the lead up to the flip I will try to be around in maybe 9-ish hours. That's the evening my time. Good night man, sorry for keeping you up.
All good not a problem. I have this issue with Rayn also.
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On March 14 2024 21:06 CopCake wrote:
Yeah, I am not having a good time.
Sorry.
😞
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On March 14 2024 21:06 CopCake wrote:
Yeah, I am not having a good time.
Sorry.
😞
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On March 14 2024 21:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:12 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:08 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:03 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 18:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote Palmar
It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully.
Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen. I am sheeping this And VE And jacob I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors Yeah but now Koshi is voting something else. Stop with the self-pitying, it's a tired act. Do you have any opinions on what has been developing over the last few pages? What do you think of jat? What do you think of my point about Rels? Do you have any updates on your read on me now that I've been pretty active in the thread for a while? I will post my testament when I get lynched. How about now? This is so frustrating to deal with. If you're town why do you not want to help? What is the problem? We're trying to have a game of mafia and you've just decided that because someone said something mean to you at some point all of us need to be collectively punished and taught a lesson? Mafia is a hard game, if you sign up, you need to play. I don't want to mislynch you if you're town, but you're making it incredibly hard to not come to the conclusion that no one would be this selfish as town, and the reason for your demotivation is not just that you don't have the energy to defend yourself. Stfu Palmar. She has +30 pages. How can that not be enough to deduce her alignment.
Didn’t you say she was lock mafia if palmar was town? Why would it be wrong for palmar to consider her In that case?
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On March 15 2024 04:42 Koshi wrote:
I am locked boys. You have to convince Vivax/DP/iamp etc.
For me mafia is
JAT/Palmar/MZ
Locked and loaded till the end..
418 pages. I dont need to post anything else anymore.
I really don’t think this is right.
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On March 15 2024 04:55 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Time to vote with my homies. I hope DP sees what I see.
I get your train of thought but you are really throwing to a bus here. And mafia love to bus. Especially a red check.
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Let’s work in a world that palmar is town for a little bit.
Does that rule out JAT as mafia?
Cause day one he is locked in on town palmar as a lynch and a wagon forms on him because he refuses to vote trfel.
Now he is a risk of being lynched again and he is town reading the obvious counter wagon.
None of that makes sense if palmar town JAT mafia.
Now it does make sense if they are both mafia
But in that case why does palmar form a counter wagon on his own teammate of all people. There are a lot of people that look roughly similar this game to choose from.
Does mafia palmar choose to bus here for no reason?
So I don’t think they are paired either.
Can’t say I love the conclusions being drawn here.
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I don’t want to lynch palmar.
Why not JAT first?
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Although I will say he has posted a lot of reads today. So that is kinda of defeating the reason I thought he was mafia.
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On March 15 2024 06:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Although I will say he has posted a lot of reads today. So that is kinda of defeating the reason I thought he was mafia. He does it so he gains towncred so he can push people off Palmar. Be very fucking wary if he suddenly starts hard pushing stuff in this thread.
Who JAT?
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