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On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
okay iamp moved to town
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On March 05 2024 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:32 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:
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He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. because you don´t seem so townisch to me what i seem to you makes no difference since it's vivax we are talking about here.
Yeah but we both have high trust issues so why should he would you instead of himself when he more sure about his aligment then yours. He is for sure no PR but even more sure no scum. As I said to risky. And better claim youself and get elected than voting on somebody else. The claim was unnecessary but it makes him more Town at least for me. IF he is really scum then applaus from me this would be the best mafia move at the beginning of the game that he ever made but I don´t think so. His mafia game sucks and is easy to see (mostly)
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On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
What post?
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On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
In light of his absence, I am inclined to start agreeing with you but I have seen him do that as town and there is decent logic for it.
Indeed you have yourself mentioned that people absolutely CAN lurk as scum...
But I know what you mean and could get behind it.
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On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
still scummy
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On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post?
His running for mayor post
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On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post?
Just filter him, it's short enough.
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On March 05 2024 04:36 CopCake wrote:Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me! I couldnt use my ability day 1  couldnt use my ability day 2 Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys Oh no, I picked wrong target again What you did, doesnt help vivax.
Mayor isn't mafia.
Vig can't kill me.
You get a conftown.
Roleblocker only on me.
By the time mafia have one KP I'm still alive.
Y'all just toxic tbh
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On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post?
I like that this is what caught Rels attention
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On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
He could do that as mafia. Specially if he is the Goon.
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I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game
Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP
See this:
On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads?
In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats.
And
I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.
So iamp lock town till D3
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On March 05 2024 04:27 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 04:12 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ah OK fair point. How is this a fair point, koshi isn’t making sense with that post You must have a different worldview from us.
Can you explain the point he’s making in your own words
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On March 05 2024 04:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:36 CopCake wrote:Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me! I couldnt use my ability day 1 couldnt use my ability day 2 Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys Oh no, I picked wrong target again What you did, doesnt help vivax. Mayor isn't mafia. Vig can't kill me. You get a conftown. Roleblocker only on me. By the time mafia have one KP I'm still alive. Y'all just toxic tbh
You also get a kill, and it seems you are pretty sure how to use it and with who.
I dont like it, sorry.
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On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:09 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Outside of hypothetical, what % of chance do you think there is that Vivax is scum there? 0,02%
So why not vote him mayor then? I don't get it. Being unable to be NK is the perfect ability to give to a JK. And it's not like mayor gives another ability that could be better used by someone else, apart from deciding the second lynch today, but Vivax already pledged to just kill the second wagon
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On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful.
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On March 05 2024 04:28 Vivax wrote:
Of course the player with the strongest role should be mayor.
Is that even debatable
Yes actually considering how the fuck are you supposed to use your “strongest” role now
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On March 05 2024 04:47 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:44 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:36 CopCake wrote:Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me! I couldnt use my ability day 1 couldnt use my ability day 2 Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys Oh no, I picked wrong target again What you did, doesnt help vivax. Mayor isn't mafia. Vig can't kill me. You get a conftown. Roleblocker only on me. By the time mafia have one KP I'm still alive. Y'all just toxic tbh You also get a kill, and it seems you are pretty sure how to use it and with who. I dont like it, sorry.
I'm not sure on anyone we can go by voting.
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Badly formatted. But I wrote the one sentence as responds so the mebaby post. And then saw iamp post the same thing basically.
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On March 05 2024 04:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:28 Vivax wrote:
Of course the player with the strongest role should be mayor.
Is that even debatable Yes actually considering how the fuck are you supposed to use your “strongest” role now
WIth a town that can make the correct decisions it's possible
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On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3
hmm i like your use of retardation
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