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nice 
I believe Slam's claim, it just makes sense. Worst case, we trade 1:1
Miller chance is pretty low too
##Vote Oatsmaster
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On March 07 2024 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well we have 3 blue supposedly all that are very powerful.
3 blues for the amount of players is normal in my opinion. I would doubt a 4th claim, it would depend on the number of scum / their roles
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN
I have been given a Vig shot in the night.
I intend to VIG TTS.
Good target choice
Why announce it now instead of at the deadline?
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:23 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well we have 3 blue supposedly all that are very powerful. 3 blues for the amount of players is normal in my opinion. I would doubt a 4th claim, it would depend on the number of scum / their roles 4 blues.
That seems high to me. Read through the OP again, it's 16 town vs 5 scums
Maybe with the additional KP N1 and N2 it adds up ...?
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On March 07 2024 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:24 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 iamperfection wrote:
oats explain your vote on dmb Literally entirely through eod and the night it’s there? What are you talking about i mean did you not read what just happened ??? Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs Be honest if it wasn‘t you, what would you do ? There‘s not much choice here. But we can pretend at least. If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it. It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now
LOL
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. This literally makes no sense
On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. This literally makes no sense What about this is confusing you? The voting is for the mayor firstly, so the 2nd top voter is the 2nd choice for mayor, secondly giving up your agency is super anti town
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
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On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:Rels is also cute
Second <3
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On March 07 2024 12:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Oh this is also why I had zero fear of being lynched I always knew I could claim once my role had been expended.
Oh wow is it really a single use? So yeah kind of a shitty vig, 4 blues is definitely possible
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On March 07 2024 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels we have literally a french sports car now btw!!!! ^_^
Good choice
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On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
When I saw it discussed D1 I didn't even understand why rayn thought it was real
I would have also dismissed it
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On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels.
I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read
JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though
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In other news, finally read the fucking game. I've ignored some posts from Slam, Jealous, Vivax, JSL and DMB when they were too hard to parse while reading like that - will have to revisit Jealous and DMB at least. Glad that Slam, Vivax and JSL are probably taken care of alignment wise already LOL
Anyone that thought Palmar looked better or good N1 (DP?), why? I didn't see a single post that would be hard to fake as scum. From what I can remember, talking about his reads on me and VE, being cocky, talking a lot about policy lynches and the way to play the game. Not advancing the game or pointing new things. The only place where he showed some change was being attacked by rayn and scumreading him. And now, rayn is dead.
If I have to make a contrast, I thought JAT looked way better. After his shitty cases (on me obv, and I also thought the one on MZ was not convincing), I liked what I could see of his mindset, interacting with different people, vote analysis, etc.
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On March 07 2024 12:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake will never push anyone else this game.
Even her other scum reads.
That is why she is mafia.
I want to reread the game where we were scum together at some point to verify, but I don't think so. She seems to believe in her thoughts in her way. I thought it was obvious she had a game plan when we were scums together
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VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one.
On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing.
LOL at this too not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh
On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath.
(makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes)
On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince.
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I think marv, DP, CC, marv, Koshi are town. Probably JAT and MZ too
Looking at the player list, outside the claims and the hard people I want to revisit, that leaves TTS and iamperfection. I know iamperfection is pretty townread but I have absolutely no read on them lol. Cannot remember a single one of their post
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Palmar I want you to answer those posts
On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?
On March 07 2024 11:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels. I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch. You think Trfel was a policy lynch? That's an horrible take, most people on his wagon really thought he was scum [...]
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JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scum
On March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this?
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On March 07 2024 13:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:56 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him? My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me This doesn't really make sense, how do you predict slams check, just really unlikely. ? Obviously they lucked out? What do you think happened assuming both me and slam are town Probably miller if I had to put money on it. Fair you are banned from talking about millers and framers. Talk about anything else. Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town? probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything.
I don't get it, have you never have the feeling of doing dumb shit as scum because you think it would appear town? I have the temptation all the time. Dumbtelling, hard scumreading a townie person during the night that you know you'll shot anyway, etc. Never received a townread for it to date lol.
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On March 07 2024 13:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 13:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:56 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
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My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me This doesn't really make sense, how do you predict slams check, just really unlikely. ? Obviously they lucked out? What do you think happened assuming both me and slam are town Probably miller if I had to put money on it. Fair you are banned from talking about millers and framers. Talk about anything else. Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town? probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything. I don't get it, have you never have the feeling of doing dumb shit as scum because you think it would appear town? I have the temptation all the time. Dumbtelling, hard scumreading a townie person during the night that you know you'll shot anyway, etc. Never received a townread for it to date lol. sounds like something i would do yes. I dont know if its something dmb would. I did something like this in the cancelled game and it half worked.
Got it. I don't have a grasp on DMB at all, even though I think I cohosted all games she played. Luckily now I'll have time to properly read her
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Anyway, well past sleeping time for me, see you all tomorrow
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On March 07 2024 13:26 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:25 Rels wrote:
Anyway, well past sleeping time for me, see you all tomorrow Hope baby gets better <3
Thanks she was better tonight! Or I wouldn't have been there at all haha
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