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I'm completely going off of the vibes I got from skimming the last 10 pages or so but a lot of people seem to be scumreading Trfel based on meta correct? I don't remember playing with him any time recently so I don't think pure meta is going to be enough for me on this lynch. I am going to read JAT's filter next since I'm still unsure the case on him although if I had to guess I be it boils down to being useless bc that's what I picked up last night.
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On March 06 2024 11:24 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just got home, ty to the people who have linked catch up posts. Why is your vote solo till I point it out? Shit timing? I mean, it could be.
Bro read my fucking filter, I've had a shit day and I'm barely keeping up with this game rn. I made my vote 24 hours ago and will not be solo voting by EOD. I'm just not going to get shanghai'd into voting for someone I haven't even read.
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This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation.
+ Show Spoiler +I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. GoodOn March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. badOn March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player. Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey. Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read.
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There's not much new in Trfel's filter I haven't already read:
On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote:
My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.
Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it.
I saw a few votes for palmar in the voting thread but I haven't dove deep into the parts of the game I missed today yet, what's wrong with his play so far? I was getting faint town vibes from him from what I've seen.
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Now Trfel is martyring fuck
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On March 06 2024 11:56 Vivax wrote:
Oats and MZ might as well opt to save Hapa with that reasoning
Maybe I am letting my early read of Trfel cloud my judgment here but I don't think I'm wrong. I have had maybe 45 total minutes to try and figure out what the fuck is going on and JAT did not impress when picking between the two.
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That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
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On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
Actually the more I think about this vote the more I hate it, consolidating is when you move from your fringe candidate onto a viable lynch option, not when the candidate you are voting for gets more votes lol.
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On March 06 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:14 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town. I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping. And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel. You saying this is unfair. And a bad player. You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ?
lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline.
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On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle
So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
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On March 06 2024 12:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
Dude you're literally making stuff up after the fact to defend your vote
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On March 06 2024 12:46 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched. Oh good point, re sand I don't remember exactly when people switched.
Yeah you're making this up as you go along.
I'm going to be scumreading JS now
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On March 06 2024 14:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
So this is how day one kinda went in my mind. At least the broad strokes. Unironically I do find this type of posting helps me keep track of what's going on.
Day One in the Grackaroni Estate….
Master Oats walks into the great hall, he bumps into Governor JSL who’s just arrived last night from the States “My word you look like a proper Rascal” Says Oats, Governor JSL Promptly ignores him and goes hunting for fox’s in the morning dew.
A carriage arrives and Earl Trfel gets out, he comes in pleasantly greeting everyone and being suspiciously nice. Lord Koshi comments that he might be looking for a piece of the inheritance and is not to be trusted.
Meanwhile…. On the second floor Sir Ray grabs Vicount Marv and pulls him into a closet. “I’ve been waiting for you… every eve without you my heart grows ever fonder.” “We can’t talk like this! What if we are seen!” Exclaims Marv “I care not let the whole world hear my passion for you… but only in the closet and secretly…” Marv says “my rear is yours my love but you know I enjoy the warmth of a woman” and pushes on the edge of the closet and grabs a waiting Sandroba who had followed the Vicounts messages to the closet. “Countess! You’re here with Marv as well! I didn’t know he was such a polygamist but I am eager to share him”
Marv, Sandwiched between the the countess and Sir Ray experiences new heights of pleasure and is not seen on the dance floor all night.
Meanwhile downstairs Lord Punk Demands to dance with Duchess Cake, He doesn’t approve of her feminine whiles and thinks she’s hiding something. The duchess refuses, shock ripples throughout the crowd such a snub is unheard of in polite society why pray tell would she not simply dance with him and be done with it?
Governor Strangelove decides this rudeness should not go uncommitted and she lashes out at him and makes mean comments about the recent war.
All of a sudden Undertaker Vixax BURSTS INTO THE SCENE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER! RANTS ABOUT HAVING THE KEYS TO THE CRYPT AND HOW HE CAN KEEP YOU SAFE IF HE LOCKS YOU IN THERE! The party is instantly in disarray.
Colonel Stars pokes his head into the ballroom goes hmmm then disappears. Count Viscera says “What’s there to be scared of I always look scary it’s okay”
Sir Ray pokes his head out of the closet and says don’t listen to him but in doing so falls out and pulls Marv and Sandro with him. Lord Koshi Screams I KNEW YOU WERE ALL IN THERE SCHEMING, and Duke Ziphh backs him up with sassy dance moves. Marquess Palmer pipes up and says we should listen to the undertaker but then grabs a dance card. For the rest of the night he refuses all dances. LT Alakaslam puts on his detective coat and hat and says I used to be a Police officer once and starts investigating the ladies dresses for clues. Everyone ignores him.
Butler Jealous and Maid Hapahauli are nowhere to be seen the food hasn’t been brought out the the guests are getting hungry.
Suddenly Lady Meatbaby arrives. The crowd falls over themselves to dance with her. She says I’ll dance with you as long as you don’t think me a whore. After the first dance Master Oats calls her a whore.
Officer Rels arrives to talk to the Undertaker about all this murder stuff and says some calming words.
Reverend Perfection has some words for the polygamist trio and has a few comments on the debauchery of the party in general.
Lord Koshi bursts back in and gathers a group around in a hush. There’s a conspiracy afoot! Sir Ray and his bisexual puppet are in on it, Lady Cake gasps. Gov Strangelove listens closer. “I can buy it yankeedoodle what’s the stitch?”
“Sir Ray is not having fun, he’s just going through the motions fucking The Viscount without enjoying the sex, I think he’s depressed as his evil conspiracy isn’t going well.” “GOD DAMN WE NEED THE POLICE HERE IF ONLY WE HAD A COP” “I’m a cop says slam quietly in the background”
Suddenly The Marquess (Palmer) asks The Viscount to a dance (Marv) They do a combination of the cha cha and the boogie which is quite odd for 1798 but at least there’s movement on the dance floor.
Lord Punk busts in overwhelmed with tears, The dancing from the Marquess is so beautiful he is overcome and grabs the Earl bends him over and vigorously fucks him in the ass. The Gov (JSL) and the Undertaker (Vivax) decide to join him in Love making as the Earl gets triple penetrated.
Justice Townie sneers and says “You’d never do that to me” Lord DP says “Try me and immediately abandons the Earl in favour of sex with the judge the three way moves on and even Palmer joins in temporarily before hate kissing Marv again.
The Reverend Perfection horrified by all the open sex tries to send a letter back to the clergy for advice but his paper stops holding ink and he is no longer able to write.
Out of nowhere the Butler Jealous bursts in with food. It’s Glorious it’s plentiful, it’s well cooked! (but not to everyone’s taste) In fact it does make some weird culinary decisions but immediately all is forgiven.
MasterOats turning turned to Lady Meat and said “Thou stillith the most whoreish here”
In the end of the day everyone eventually decides all civility is lost and the Earl passes out from exhaustion never to be seen again and The Maid Hapahauli is fired for not cleaning by the undertaker.
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Definitely lynching you tomorrow.
I've made it through like half of what I missed, I'll do the rest tomorrow. I need to sleep.
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For all who wonder, yes I currently have a townread on Palmar.
Copcake I wanna know if JSL posted enough meta stuff for you to townread him?
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On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world.
Calling yourself invested is a great joke
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On March 07 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:Maybe
Yo pls answer my question about JSL. And I'd appreciate your thoughts on what I posted about him after the night post.
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On March 07 2024 01:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world. Calling yourself invested is a great joke Are you caught up or just casually butting in with this gem? Because if you are caught up this post is ridiculous.
I am trying to read along at work. If you don't like my characterization of your play then do something that doesn't result in you being the #2 lynch target.
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On March 07 2024 01:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Wonder if I get shot 😮 Maybe Yo pls answer my question about JSL. And I'd appreciate your thoughts on what I posted about him after the night post. Will it change anything? You think I am mafia.
I am very willing to rethink my opinion on you at the moment, especially in light of JSL's posts pre and post lynch.
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OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about
VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him
TTS for also completely fucking off
Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group.
JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are:
Sandroba
Vivax
DP
Koshi
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