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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:25 GMT
#1980
Sorry Koshi
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:26 GMT
#1981
On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:
JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative.

And he's trying to kill me.

And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch

Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.

So call me town baby
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:40 GMT
#1985
On March 05 2024 23:32 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 23:27 Vivax wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
But I agree that Oats should not be the lynch today.


If I do JAT it's because he's doing the same thing I scumread Trfel at the time, which is to blanket townread Oats who is a lot more capable at this game than what he's doing now.

At least Trfel explained it. In a very floofy and conf biasy way, but he explained it.

I don't know why cop and sandro want Trfel shielded so hard though. He has also not posted for a long time.

Because Trfel is possibly the best analyst if town. And the posts he does have don't make me think he is mafia, actually the opposite. So pretty much a very bad idea to lynch him just because he isn't as active as we would like when we have so many other options. We can reassess d2.

Well said sir.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:46 GMT
#1991
On March 05 2024 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I'm just overwhelmed. Who do I sheep?

Sandro
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:53 GMT
#2005
On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.

It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread.

At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me.

Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.

I’m getting you lynched bro.

Wait you still think I'm mafia?

Did you read my last 2 pages?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:55 GMT
#2008
On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text ---


Just so I get it clear.

a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia?
b) You don't think that's strange at all?

Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.

But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?

Not weird?


Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap

I don't agree.

I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit"

Or anything, really.

It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:58 GMT
#2017
On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start

You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't.

Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:59 GMT
#2020
On March 05 2024 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 23:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text ---


Just so I get it clear.

a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia?
b) You don't think that's strange at all?

Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.

But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?

Not weird?


Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap

I don't agree.

I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit"

Or anything, really.

It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other.

Our chat was very active during the day.

Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here.

You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know?

No I know that, that's not the point.

It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 14:59 GMT
#2021
On March 05 2024 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.

It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread.

At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me.

Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.

I’m getting you lynched bro.

Wait you still think I'm mafia?

Did you read my last 2 pages?

So you posted. And?

And now I'm townie!
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:05 GMT
#2029
On March 05 2024 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:
[...]
VisceraEyes

Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.

But it's mostly a tone read. (1): He seems to be happy to be playing the game. (2): He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.

Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.

On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.


I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
[...]

Palmar:

1) Why would VE not be happy to be playing as mafia as "he wishes he was mafia" and two town roles have claimed?
2) Why is this townie? He did absolutely nothing to pursue his mayoral campaign, in fact he did the best to NOT make anyone vote for him by refusing to post a single read on anyone...

3) Why is sandroba super town for his JAT read? I made the exact same read a couple of pages ago.


1) and 2) I said, it's a little bit of wishful thinking, but there is also just a general tendency of townies to be more carefree and happy than mafia. This is just a fact, because playing town is much easier.

Like one of the defining things of mafia is that you have to fake conflict, which almost forces you to be a little bit moody or aggressive or lazy. As town you can just be on your merry way and you will happily bump into conflict. There's no pressure to create reads.

3) I liked his JAT read, but I looved the fact that he also mentioned that my recent posting was indicative. It's the fast paced change of mind that makes me think it looks town. Read above about how mafia has to create conflict. It's hard work and it's mentally expensive to throw it out.


Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:07 GMT
#2032
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?

No idea.

Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.

Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.

Unless....

You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:09 GMT
#2035
Also I had no idea you thought JAT was mafia rayn, I don't really read your filters.

But I mean.... happy we've reached the same conclusion? Friends?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:12 GMT
#2043
On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?

No idea.

Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.

Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.

Unless....

You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.

In your mind this is town marv coming after you?

I don't know.

I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier.

But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to.

Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today.

Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:13 GMT
#2045
On March 06 2024 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Also I had no idea you thought JAT was mafia rayn, I don't really read your filters.

But I mean.... happy we've reached the same conclusion? Friends?

I literally posted this after you started posting so i guess you're not really reading the thread either:

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels probably town, JAT maybe mafia.

I dont understand why JAT keeps complaining about Vivax mayor but cant read anyone as town except Koshi but does nothing about Koshi getiing mayor.

Rels doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda.

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On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level.

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On March 05 2024 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?

I completely understand your logic here and agree with it. To me it just looks like you are not really trying to do anything about it. Like really really try to do..



I read my own posts, they're some of my favorite.

Again, friends?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 15:19 GMT
#2055
On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?

No idea.

Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.

Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.

Unless....

You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.



And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.

See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play.

There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.

As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 18:57 GMT
#2206
On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game.

Not a valid analysis.

Mafia
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 19:26 GMT
#2223
On March 06 2024 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 03:57 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game.

Not a valid analysis.

Explain.

Sometimes I create personalities and argue with myself throughout day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia.

Sometimes I’ve policy lynched all claimers on day 1. I have not advocated that here so I must be mafia.

Sometimes I go completely afk day 1. I have not done that here so I must be mafia.

You want to lynch me because of the fact I’m not copying my last game. If you don’t have a case for why what I have done this game makes me mafia then you don’t have a case
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 21:35 GMT
#2275
On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote:
My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.

Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it.

I mean ok
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 21:36 GMT
#2276
I guess it's become my duty to play spot the mafia.

VE looks a little worse btw
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 21:46 GMT
#2287
Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia.

I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal.

On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?

No idea.

Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.

Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.

Unless....

You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.

In your mind this is town marv coming after you?

I don't know.

I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier.

But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to.

Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today.

Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting.

Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia.


This isn't a valid complaint.

I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me.

I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him.

I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation

On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read


Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill.

I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum.

And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron.

On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?

No idea.

Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.

Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.

Unless....

You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.

You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances.

And they’re absent here.

So you’re mafia.

And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.

You know this.

If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not.


This is not true.
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