A Classy Game of Mafia - Page 379

On March 13 2024 22:15 Palmar wrote:
I was perfectly fine with the little interaction between her and Vivax where they were worrying about axe murderers. They seemed to agree they're safe.

Keep thinking that...

On March 13 2024 22:16 Palmar wrote:


He said replying with a oneliner.

Hey I know I'm almost (but not quite) as bad as treating forum mafia as an IM tool.

And I do NOT deny not having read your filter. That's literally what I'm saying. I haven't read it so I'm relying on other people who called you town and deciding to worry about you later.

On March 13 2024 22:17 iamperfection wrote:

What are you saying?

On March 13 2024 22:13 Palmar wrote:

It's a risk again.

Essentially I am now assuming that dmb feels the need to "take a stance" as mafia. Last game her stance was an incredibly stupid tunnel on me, but at least it was a stance.

My feeling this game is that her mood has been lighter, and she has been much more comfortable just sorta existing in the thread without the need to spam an opinion.

This is however, based on having not filter dived her for a long time.

The one weird thing she did was accusing me of lying about time. But that was hilarious anyway.

On March 13 2024 22:19 iamperfection wrote:

It just seems like your clearly not trying to figure out the game to me. How have you missed several big posts. You haven't read at all? Your just filter diving?

On March 13 2024 22:23 Palmar wrote:

Are you trolling me at this point?

On March 13 2024 22:02 Palmar wrote:

Because koshi does this kind of shit every game.

Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that.

It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me.

On March 13 2024 22:35 iamperfection wrote:

Do you agree with this koshi?

On March 13 2024 22:39 Koshi wrote:

Yes. But do you see?

On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote:

It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change.

I'll talk through some of it.

First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model.

Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like:

- He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had.

- He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back.

Here are the things that don't fit with my model:

- He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia.

I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision.

So what about the things he says?

I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia.

He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do.

He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more.

I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there.

Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait.

On March 13 2024 19:46 Koshi wrote:

Vivax.
We havent talked in a while.

Why do you think it cant be Palmar and JAT? They thread policed since marv passed and I think after the VE kill they should have done more.
But I only felt weird hostility from JAT when I started looking into Palmar and mentioned him on the side.
Then JAT came with the lazy marv defense for Palmar.

I think mafia got lazy and complacent during the VE and copcake lynch and JAT showed it there. He defended Palmar too arrogantly.

Anyway. What is your opinion on the 2?