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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:12 GMT
#7521
Palmar first, then it is easy to make the link to JAT, and dmb will be obvious after that.
I had a good night of sleep.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 13 2024 11:13 GMT
#7522
Cake can you do me a favor and write down a scenario where dp is town. Look at his play in it's entirety and put it in the thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:14 GMT
#7523
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 13 2024 11:16 GMT
#7524
On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.


You know this will not happen right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:16 GMT
#7525
Also if you think Vivax, DP or iamp is mafia and want to vote them, you can vote me. Even the discussion is stupid imo but sadly I cant silence people.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 13 2024 11:16 GMT
#7526
you look hella town in this posting spree Koshi .
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:18 GMT
#7527
On March 13 2024 20:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.


You know this will not happen right?

Bro I am putting you on ignore. I cba with your ridiculous spam anymore. A lot of posting is fine. But you just rehaerse the most ridiculous dumb shit. I am personally done with it.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 13 2024 11:19 GMT
#7528
On March 13 2024 20:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 20:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.


You know this will not happen right?

Bro I am putting you on ignore. I cba with your ridiculous spam anymore. A lot of posting is fine. But you just rehaerse the most ridiculous dumb shit. I am personally done with it.


Not gonna get you a long way with convincing me to sheep you if you wont interact.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 13 2024 11:20 GMT
#7529
I would say thread sentiment is pretty strong to palmar mafia koshi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:23 GMT
#7530
On March 13 2024 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 20:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 20:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.


You know this will not happen right?

Bro I am putting you on ignore. I cba with your ridiculous spam anymore. A lot of posting is fine. But you just rehaerse the most ridiculous dumb shit. I am personally done with it.


Not gonna get you a long way with convincing me to sheep you if you wont interact.

I do not care.
I gave during this night my reads.
JLS made a good case.
Other people were on Palmar.

I wake the fuck up and you and CC are at it again and even Vivax is being discussed.

Nothing JAT. Nothing Palmar.

I have nothing to say to you anymore. It is wasted.

Vote cc, vote me. I cba.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 13 2024 11:25 GMT
#7531
On March 13 2024 20:20 iamperfection wrote:
I would say thread sentiment is pretty strong to palmar mafia koshi

I hope so. Now let's make it happen.
He knows it is coming. He was silent during the night and his scumbuddy JAT tried to control it slightly.
But Palmar is coming back and it will be a battle.
I had a good night of sleep.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 13 2024 11:30 GMT
#7532
On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:
On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:
On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then?

Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game.


Do you think he could be mafia?

He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance.

Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like?

1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup.
2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup.

In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations?

Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though.


Not unless he and I are mafia together,

There are missing roleblocks.

You're gonna have to walk me through this.


Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm

The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired


Not fighting or anything but how do you know you got shot?

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 13 2024 11:31 GMT
#7533
Veteran (you have 1 bulletproof vest. If shot at night your vest will break but you will survive. You will die if shot at night a second time. If roleblocked your vest doesn't protect you. You will not be notified if you are shot.)

iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 13 2024 11:32 GMT
#7534
On March 13 2024 20:31 CopCake wrote:
Veteran (you have 1 bulletproof vest. If shot at night your vest will break but you will survive. You will die if shot at night a second time. If roleblocked your vest doesn't protect you. You will not be notified if you are shot.)


His shot in the thread confirmed on tts you goof.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 13 2024 11:37 GMT
#7535
Oh I missread, then.

I think the best thing I can do as town now is to post until I get home and read everything carefully to avoid this.

Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 13 2024 12:20 GMT
#7536
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.

Computer says mafia
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 13 2024 12:21 GMT
#7537
On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote:
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.


What's your view of koshi.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 13 2024 12:23 GMT
#7538
On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:

1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.

Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.

By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you.

I really like this post by the way.
Computer says mafia
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 13 2024 12:32 GMT
#7539
On March 13 2024 21:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:

1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.

Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.

By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you.

I really like this post by the way.

So do you think cop is mafia?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 13 2024 12:41 GMT
#7540
On March 13 2024 21:21 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote:
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.


What's your view of koshi.

It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change.

I'll talk through some of it.

First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model.

Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like:

- He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had.

- He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back.

Here are the things that don't fit with my model:

- He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia.

I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision.

So what about the things he says?

I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia.

He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do.

He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more.

I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there.

Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait.
Computer says mafia
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