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On March 08 2024 19:17 DarthPunk wrote:
to be honest I am not happy that you all just hand wave away cake being mafia for subjective perceptions of meta, when she lived for far too long incorrectly the game before.
Like part of your argument is that she wouldn't go against me as mafia except she did that her previous scum game and it worked.
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On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
I came with some conclusions
Town:
Koshi
Slam
Rels
Marv
MZ
Oats
Feels town
VE
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
The rest are wild cards
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.
On March 06 2024 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. And this matters how if Palmar is town? Why does mafia iamp need to do any of that shit if Palmar is town?
On March 06 2024 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:25 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. And this matters how if Palmar is town? Why does mafia iamp need to do any of that shit if Palmar is town? Did I post that Palmar is town? No but you should have posted he is mafia if you genuinely think iamp Vivax DP are mafia, because that's the ONLY thing how it makes them mafia.
On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why do you* I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia.
On March 06 2024 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!!
On March 06 2024 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!! You know how my theory crafting works. That is not like a locked 100% works. yes but human brain works like that. youre building associations here between those people, but you are not building the association of "why" they do that. it's scummy.
On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally.
On March 06 2024 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town) it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it...
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On March 08 2024 16:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 10:43 CopCake wrote:
DP, you have a gun.
Just Vig shot me. You know I will be RB Why did you claim exactly? I never caught up with some of the thread.
I have a vig shot from the gunsmith and I plan to shoot TTS at some point, maybe tonight maybe not.
Maybe I shoot cake instead who knows who I will shoot. Maybe I got saved again by vivax>? Maybe I don't shoot at all
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On March 08 2024 20:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh, you are talking about CC. For some reason I thought it was about dmb.
Yes CC.
I just read DMB's last mafia game.
Doesn't really look the same as her play this game.
there are few similarities that ping me but not enough to sort her as mafia at this point.
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On March 08 2024 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 16:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 10:43 CopCake wrote:
DP, you have a gun.
Just Vig shot me. You know I will be RB Why did you claim exactly? I never caught up with some of the thread. I have a vig shot from the gunsmith and I plan to shoot TTS at some point, maybe tonight maybe not. Maybe I shoot cake instead who knows who I will shoot. Maybe I got saved again by vivax>? Maybe I don't shoot at all That's not really and answer as to why though, is it?
Oh I thought he said what.
I claimed because I am an idiot who just blurted it to the thread as soon as I read the PM obviously.
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On March 08 2024 19:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!!
As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar  As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description DMB, can you explain the bolded part again for me? I am not sure I am following. From what I saw last game the dumbtelling in the thread could really be something dmb would be excited to do as mafia.
I agree with this having just read her last game.
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On March 06 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So basically both Cake and DMB think DP is mafia, but also both of them scumread each other (but not really scumread).. Notice they are the ONLY people in this game to think DP is mafia.
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On March 07 2024 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:08 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote:
Rels, MZ, Palmar, Jealous, VE
Cop wants in.
Good working hypothesis? How sure you are of DMB not being mafia, because she looks very mafia to me as well. and why? Not at all. I think she always looks scummy on a surface level but her being so stubborn about DP makes me think town. Its just not worth it to pursue that as scum. Why does she scumread Cake when Cake is the only other person ever in this game to scumread DP? Also her read on me is shit. I can understand people thinking i am mafia, but i don't understand that shit she is saying.
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I read Rels filter, I think he can be scum but I want to see some flips first, for reasons.
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Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1
On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax.
On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT
On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly.
Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard.
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On March 06 2024 22:55 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
I am GOOD SCUM, I do not make MISTAKES like that, I always try to save my scumates, remember how pissed I got at GB once?
Do you remember how I fuck up hard for trying to save rels when we were mafia together? I convinced HF not to lynch Rels.
You can absolutely acuse me of being ilogical but NEVER of bussing my teams just because.
And this, at least, vivax and marv needs to agree.
And rels.
And GB.
And anyone who has been mafia with me.
Scummy defense tbh, hinges on the premise of palmar is mafia. I've seen mafia due this many times, claiming the team you have them on can't be right because of x y z.
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Marv can you summarize the major points of your mz discussion with Sandro please
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On March 08 2024 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1 On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard. You seem quite optimistic about your own influence on the lynches.The obvious reason why I did not switch is that I would have preferred a palmar lynch if Marv had been scum reading him still.
Well I should be. they tend to go my way.
Is that last part for mafia!jat?
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VE is just obvious mafia here btw
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On March 08 2024 20:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:32 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 20:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:Can anyone explain to me why if JAT was mafia, he would not vote for Town!trfel after I put pressure on him and a counter wagon was forming on him day 1 On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. On March 06 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. Move your vote, or I will lynch you. Feel free to try. Sure Unvote:
Vote: JAT On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. Cause the only explanation I can come up with is that JAT did that because he is Town and a stubborn bastard. You seem quite optimistic about your own influence on the lynches.The obvious reason why I did not switch is that I would have preferred a palmar lynch if Marv had been scum reading him still. Well I should be. they tend to go my way. Is that last part for mafia!jat? No, the last part is what happened. If Marv is willing to lynch palmar on day1 that has a very high likelihood of success for town. When that was off the table Trfel was the only option left. Pure self-preservation. Even though I will not claim I thought he was towny - at the time he was in my poe after all.
Ok why the fuck are you arguing with me about what you were doing is what you were doing as town, when that was the whole point of my post I just made about you?
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Anyway im sore and cranky.
I'm off to bed.
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On March 08 2024 21:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 20:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 20:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 16:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 10:43 CopCake wrote:
DP, you have a gun.
Just Vig shot me. You know I will be RB Why did you claim exactly? I never caught up with some of the thread. I have a vig shot from the gunsmith and I plan to shoot TTS at some point, maybe tonight maybe not. Maybe I shoot cake instead who knows who I will shoot. Maybe I got saved again by vivax>? Maybe I don't shoot at all That's not really and answer as to why though, is it? Oh I thought he said what. I claimed because I am an idiot who just blurted it to the thread as soon as I read the PM obviously. Ah ha. It’s possibly the scummiest thing you’ve done tbh. You understand the game too well to make such mistakes.
Doesn't make much sense as either alignment.
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On March 08 2024 21:03 iamperfection wrote:
I'll be that guy since everyone is a coward. If dp is alive late game make sure to demand the pics.
of my leg?
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On March 08 2024 21:05 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 21:03 iamperfection wrote:
I'll be that guy since everyone is a coward. If dp is alive late game make sure to demand the pics. of my leg? Of course
I can post the medical certificate even 
Doctor wanted to give me a month off from work.
I told him no, So i just can't drive for a month. or leave my desk.
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On March 08 2024 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
VE is probably mafia.
DMB is probably mafia. I haven’t read her at all but I am piecing together everything everyone has said about her. Her story just converges on mafia.
I think you should read her filter from this game and her filter from last game side by side.
Thats what I did at any rate.
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