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I mean it's kinda hard when koshi doesn't seem to want to be mayor anymore and all other candidates are lackluster. Of course you could say I should campaign myself but I won't. Too much hassle.
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On March 05 2024 21:32 Koshi wrote:
For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet.
Fine with me. Maybe you should consider running for mayor? 
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On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote:
16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ
Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.
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On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
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On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch 
Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you.
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On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
For marvs alignment it is very promising. I don't think scum marv does this to town palmar. In all other worlds this is good. If it is TvT marv will figure it out, if not we lynch mafia.
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On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby
For what?
On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here.
Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town.
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On March 06 2024 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby For what? On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here. Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town. How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor
Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject?
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On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
I really doubt that you actually believe marv would go for a 1 for 1 with you as mafia. I don't think he would ever spend so much energy so unnecessarily.
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On March 06 2024 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:26 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch Well, I think it should be obvious that I am 100 % sheeping right now to see where this goes. I don't have a reason of my own except for the lack of reasons to townread you. So call me town baby For what? On March 05 2024 23:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.
As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.
##mayor: Vivax Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to. I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor. Yes and yes Jat, to be brutally honest. To an extent it’s a thread cleanup exercise. It’s clear that the mayor shouting is a horrible distraction. If we just vote for Vivax mafia can’t hide behind that anymore. Clearly it wasn’t my first choice originally but i feel it’s just the right thing to do here. Well, I disagree and I will stand by that. The mayor thing is at least as important as the lynch today and you guys are currently wasting the opportunity to make a town leader unkillable. But I have said my part. Guess it is Vivax time to shine if he is town. How is the situation being wasted in your perspective? Vivax is currently the runaway leader to be mayor Did you not read any of my other posts about this subject? Not really sure how they are relevant to the question I’m asking, answer the question
They are very important since it is more or less impossible that you read them without taking away that I think Vivax as mayor is a bad choice. How can you be interested in this topic without knowing this?
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On March 06 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat. I really doubt that you actually believe marv would go for a 1 for 1 with you as mafia. I don't think he would ever spend so much energy so unnecessarily. You do love to bask in his shadow and white knight him like you‘re doing here. Let‘s see if that pays off for you !
wat
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Yeah, I heard blues claiming on day1 always scares the mafia a lot.
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On March 06 2024 02:30 sandroba wrote:
Hey JAT what's your take on the game? Where is the mafia? If you had your wish and Koshi got elected, who should he lynch?
In addition to Palmar you mean?
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Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow.
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On March 06 2024 02:44 sandroba wrote:
Curious about the MZ and JS reads as the other bunch is inactive/slam. Can you tell me why they made it to the list?
There was nothing that made me think MZ is town and (yes, I am going there again) found his insistance on voting for Vivax especially egregious and uncritical. For JS it is purely that I can't really remember anything he posted right now.
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On March 06 2024 03:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. Yes
I get a different vibe from her than last game when she was mafia. The only time I felt reminded was when this was posted:
On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement.
Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2
Similar bravado and sureness when compared to the way she went after Palmar in the other game. But otherwise way less crazy.
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Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game.
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On March 06 2024 03:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Still very happy with Palmar on the chopping block. He is supposed to be good on day1. Last game he lead a lynch - this game he doesn't have any impact. Its not even the weekend so he is fair game. Not a valid analysis.
Explain.
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On March 06 2024 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh ya the stupid fucking claim
GOD YOU GUYS ARE ANNOYING
Personally, I dont put any stock in that claim. Slam is another candidate who played more towny in the last game.
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On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath.
Not that I disagree - good choice - but there is literally one other vote on him.
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