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Meh. I'm too tired to catch up. Read page 70 and realized I hadn't really read it. Will finish tomorrow
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Well. Sorry guys for the inactivity. My daughter is sick and home, so I had to juggle between her and work. Now that work day is over and my wife can take help, I have like 30 minutes, and then I'll be gone until she's asleep, usually 1 hour before the deadline. I know I'm usually very inactive D1 because I hate it, but this time I really tried, the universe is conspiring against me ...
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On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly.
Can I know why? While I'm diving into Palmar since he's leading the votes
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On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town  I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
Not done reading Palmar's filter, but this reads like Palmar doesn't know what to do. I can see scum!Palmar posting this. Especially since he was pretty confident earlier in his filter that marv would never push him as scum
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On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird?
I guess there, throwing shade at marv
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On March 05 2024 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 23:55 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap I don't agree. I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit" Or anything, really. It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other. Our chat was very active during the day. Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here. You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know? No I know that, that's not the point. It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing.
Doesn't match with this later post:
On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
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On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that.
That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind:
On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages?
But you were throwing shade at him before that point:
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird?
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
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I would be OK with a Palmar lynch
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On March 06 2024 08:19 DarthPunk wrote:I did. He is not being smart, and he is being useless. Also he wouldn't vote trfel.
Any case you/anyone wrote? I don't have time to read his filter before dropping
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Like, quote one post that was unsmart?
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On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT
Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game
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I can see that he hasn't posted since actually lol
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On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post?
The vote post?
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On March 06 2024 08:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. So forced and intentionally misread. Rels looks terrible for these takes. Almost like he went to my filter with a preconceived decision. It's really obvious how and why I've approached marv the way I did.
How if it a misread? Is it not true that you stated that you couldn't see marv as town, and then was surprised that he didn't change his mind regarding you?
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"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
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On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post?
On March 06 2024 08:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? This.
Can I have a link to that mythical post?
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On March 06 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:32 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? On March 06 2024 08:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? This. Can I have a link to that mythical post? Its the last post in his filter.
This?
On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote:
My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.
Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it.
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If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time
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On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction:
On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right?
On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game.
On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful.
I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.
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On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else.
Will try to filter JAT before I have to go
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